8 teenage girls charged with second-degree murder in fatal stabbing of Toronto man

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He was a resident at the Strathcona Hotel? Has that place been turned in to a shelter?
 
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One dead and the other eight will get life sentences and waste their lives in prison.
Even if guns are banned people will continue to kill and get killed.
 

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One dead and the other eight will get life sentences and waste their lives in prison.
Even if guns are banned people will continue to kill and get killed.
Nope, not as long as we have the Youth Criminal Justice Act. I bet they'll all be released on bail by the end of the year.
 
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Nope, not as long as we have the Youth Criminal Justice Act. I bet they'll all be released on bail by the end of the year.
probably not. typically most non violent crimes get released on bail. violent crimes are a different story. usually when a crime involves death or blood loss they will not get bail. even if they try the ncr defense they will still be denied bail.
 

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probably not. typically most non violent crimes get released on bail. violent crimes are a different story. usually when a crime involves death or blood loss they will not get bail. even if they try the ncr defense they will still be denied bail.
I hope that you are right. As far as I am concerned I hope that they throw away the key on all of them. They are lowly scumbugs even at a young age and it would be an absolute miracle if even one of them could be re-habed sufficiently to live a semi- useful crime-free life. The rest will be in trouble their entire lives - probably in a violent way. If not in jail some of them will be pimped out by the time they are 16 or 17 and robbing and scamming guys. Put them in jail and leave them there.
 
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The victim should have just thrown them the alcohol at them, his loss and theirs but perhaps he would be alive. I do emphasize with victim.

Now what type of parents let their teen kids out late at night in which the teens met on social media?
I seen kids 6 -9 at 9pm movie showing with parents. WTF?
 
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Any motive? Or just one of those games zoomers play with their friends these days?
Reminds me that slenderman stabbing...

 

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Unless they are charged as an adult the max will be 5 years. Life if charged as an adult.

Female offenders have been charged as an adult before.
oh yes it does happen, but its less common. however the system is still soft since kids are kids. one kid killed a friend. the kid completed some of the time in a young offender facility till they turned 18 and then completed their sentence in adult.

the justice, social and mental health systems are fucked.
 

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As I said in another thread, would this guy still be alive if he was allowed to carry pepper spray??
Because if anyone needs this stuff its a homeless street person.

Cheap too. $10 goes a long way: https://www.homedepot.com/p/SABRE-3-in-1-Compact-Pepper-Spray-with-Clip-P-22/300662013

There would be nothing more satisfying then to spray a full load into an attacker's face 😈
That would open up a whole can of worms for thugs to attack innocent people with them or are you advocating only legal for homeless people. Why stop at just homeless. Why not the old and frail who can't defend themselves. Or those in wheelchairs cause you know they can't go too fast. How to screen for those who are reputable to carry.
 
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I used to work in that area, I'd take the walkway at Front and University/York that went under the street to get to the building I was working in and to Union in the evening.
 

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It appears they were caught when the girls were involved in another incident after this one.

So these girls killed a man in cold blood. Then went on to commit more crimes. That pretty much says it all.
 

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Nope, not as long as we have the Youth Criminal Justice Act. I bet they'll all be released on bail by the end of the year.
Most likely.
The only indication is that three of them had prior interactions with the police. No suggestion any included charges are breach of a YCJA release.
See sections 28-31 of the YCJA for guidance in this unfortunate case.

Specifically, see s. 29:
Justification for detention in custody
(2) A youth justice court judge or a justice may order that a young person be detained in custody only if

(a) the young person has been charged with
(i) a serious offence, or
(ii) an offence other than a serious offence, if they have a history that indicates a pattern of either outstanding charges or findings of guilt;

(b) the judge or justice is satisfied, on a balance of probabilities,
(i) that there is a substantial likelihood that, before being dealt with according to law, the young person will not appear in court when required by law to do so,
(ii) that detention is necessary for the protection or safety of the public, including any victim of or witness to the offence, having regard to all the circumstances, including a substantial likelihood that the young person will, if released from custody, commit a serious offence, or
(iii) in the case where the young person has been charged with a serious offence and detention is not justified under subparagraph (i) or (ii), that there are exceptional circumstances that warrant detention and that detention is necessary to maintain confidence in the administration of justice, having regard to the principles set out in section 3 and to all the circumstances, including
(A) the apparent strength of the prosecution’s case,
(B) the gravity of the offence,
(C) the circumstances surrounding the commission of the offence, including whether a firearm was used, and
(D) the fact that the young person is liable, on being found guilty, for a potentially lengthy custodial sentence; and

(c) the judge or justice is satisfied, on a balance of probabilities, that no condition or combination of conditions of release would, depending on the justification on which the judge or justice relies under paragraph (b),
(i) reduce, to a level below substantial, the likelihood that the young person would not appear in court when required by law to do so,
(ii) offer adequate protection to the public from the risk that the young person might otherwise present, or
(iii) maintain confidence in the administration of justice.
 

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I hope that you are right. As far as I am concerned I hope that they throw away the key on all of them. They are lowly scumbugs even at a young age and it would be an absolute miracle if even one of them could be re-habed sufficiently to live a semi- useful crime-free life. The rest will be in trouble their entire lives - probably in a violent way. If not in jail some of them will be pimped out by the time they are 16 or 17 and robbing and scamming guys. Put them in jail and leave them there.
I can't imagine living in a place where people with your attitude are in charge. They are children for fuck's sake. You think a 14 year old child can't be rehabilitated? You should move to China or North Korea, I think you'd really like their brand of law and order.
 
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