“Supertall” skyscraper proposed on Bloor

[poker]

"A new 94-storey “supertall” tower has been proposed for 15 and 19 Bloor St. W. adding another massive development next door to The One, at 1 Bloor St. W. There is so much development proposed or under construction, the area will be the most dense part of Toronto and most likely Canada."

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City staff recommend refusing new supertall Yorkville skyscraper plan

A new 94-storey "supertall" tower has been proposed for 15 and 19 Bloor St. W. adding another massive development next door to The One

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[GameBoy27]

Toronto needs more places for people to live. Once you build a structure, you can't add more floors later on, so they need to think ahead. Experts, provincial leaders and the home building industry agree that we must build 1.5 million residences over the next decade to address the issues of housing supply and affordability. The provincial government is mandating that Toronto create about 285,000 of those new homes by 2031.

There's currently a cap on the number of storeys in many areas. Take the Danforth for example. It's been suggested to raise the current height limit. However, raising new building heights in the area to 8 storeys won’t solve the housing crisis. Conventional wisdom suggests that to create more residential units and affordable housing on The Danforth, the height limits must be revised upwards. But Toronto is full of NIMBYs which is why it probably won't happen.

 

[dirtyharry555]

How many units are going to be sub 400 square feet selling for $700k?

When it comes to real estate, it's best to invest elsewhere.

 

[unassuming]

 

[Ponderling]

Greater golden horseshoe in Ontario holds over a quarter of the population of our whole country. So density is to be expected at the intersection of Bloor.

The real egg that needs to be cracked is to start to allow land assembly again in present single family areas to allow modest density redevelopment to happen in Toronto.

 

[poker]

The problem is developers like to contribute 600 Sat foot condos.

 

[Mr Deeds]

How many units are going to be sub 400 square feet selling for $700k?

When it comes to real estate, it's best to invest elsewhere.

Agreed, we do not have a housing crisis we have an affordable housing crisis. There are plenty of cities all over the world that limit hight of buildings to preserve the essence and history. There is also nimby attitude in most areas of Toronto and some are just going to have to suck it up

 

[Anbarandy]

Toronto needs more places for people to live. Once you build a structure, you can't add more floors later on, so they need to think ahead. Experts, provincial leaders and the home building industry agree that we must build 1.5 million residences over the next decade to address the issues of housing supply and affordability. The provincial government is mandating that Toronto create about 285,000 of those new homes by 2031.

There's currently a cap on the number of storeys in many areas. Take the Danforth for example. It's been suggested to raise the current height limit. However, raising new building heights in the area to 8 storeys won’t solve the housing crisis. Conventional wisdom suggests that to create more residential units and affordable housing on The Danforth, the height limits must be revised upwards. But Toronto is full of NIMBYs which is why it probably won't happen.

There are already 1.25 million building permit approved and shovel ready housing units that property developers are sitting on right NOW and NOT building.

There is no provincial "mandate" directing the City of Toronto to create even one housing unit let alone 285,000 of them.

City of Toronto council will enact city wide 'inclusionary zoning' which will open up all of the "yellow" single unit residential zones to multi-residential zoning. Because, basically almost all of the new housing units that have been built has been at major subway transportation nodes and adjacent subway lines nearby.

There is no housing crisis. There is an affordable rental housing crisis.

In regards to arterial road like the Danforth. Other arterial roads, such as the Queensway and Lakeshore Blvd. W. in the former Etobicoke have and are experiencing the creation of exactly the type of multi-height residential housing unit construction and completion despite the NIMBYism that you described.

 

[basketcase]

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There is no housing crisis. There is an affordable rental housing crisis.
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But didn't Ford solve that by selling greenbelt land way up north?

I have no problem with the density but would like to see some serious city planning going on instead of leaving it to developers (and the city development staff who are all trying to get developer jobs).

 

[SchlongConery]

Something that is often not mentioned in the discussion of constructing affordable housing is the Development Fees the municipality charges for each housing unit.

These fees are actually required so that the municipality can pay for the (future) infrastructure like more sewage and water treatment facilities, libraries etc.

In the City of Toronto, just the City's fee a single or semi detached home is $97,000!!! And Council just passed an increase of an additional $48,000 each. So, never mind land, concrete, wood etc... $150,000 right up front! Bachelor apt fee is almost $80,000. One of two bedroom

Then you have School Board fees to provide for future schools. Hydro fees to pay for upgrading transformers, the you have the dogs breakfast of various levels of Ontario Power Generation, distribution etc.

The first $150,000 to $200,000 of single family home or semi goes straight to the cost of the grossly inefficient slush fund ostensibly for the provision of services.


Developers, housing advocate criticize development fee increase amid housing crisis

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-development-fee-increase-1.6544780

'Developers building a single-detached or semi-detached home will pay an additional $43,062 above the current rate of $93,978. The charge for constructing a condo with two or more bedrooms will go up $35,592 from $77,679, and the fee for apartments with two or more bedrooms will increase by $25,206 from $55,012.'

 

[Anbarandy]

But didn't Ford solve that by selling greenbelt land way up north?

I have no problem with the density but would like to see some serious city planning going on instead of leaving it to developers (and the city development staff who are all trying to get developer jobs).

Ford's 2 housing bills do not include, do not devote even 1 line to housing affordability. Basically, it's a word for word transcription of property developers wish list.

There has been and is serious city planning going on by city planning departments. There is the City of Toronto Official Plan. BUT, when Ford decimated the previous provincial government's amendments to the OMB to make developers adhere to city's planning and zoning and reinstituted a beefed-up pro-developer friendly reconstituted OMB, all those plans are thrown out the window. And now, cities have become subservient to developers.

Remember, it's the provincial government and in this case Ford, who has the ultimate power of what, where and how housing gets approved and built. Cities are truly under the heel of Ford.

 

[Anbarandy]

Something that is often not mentioned in the discussion of constructing affordable housing is the Development Fees the municipality charges for each housing unit.

These fees are actually required so that the municipality can pay for the (future) infrastructure like more sewage and water treatment facilities, libraries etc.

In the City of Toronto, just the City's fee a single or semi detached home is $97,000!!! And Council just passed an increase of an additional $48,000 each. So, never mind land, concrete, wood etc... $150,000 right up front! Bachelor apt fee is almost $80,000. One of two bedroom

Then you have School Board fees to provide for future schools. Hydro fees to pay for upgrading transformers, the you have the dogs breakfast of various levels of Ontario Power Generation, distribution etc.

The first $150,000 to $200,000 of single family home or semi goes straight to the cost of the grossly inefficient slush fund ostensibly for the provision of services.


Developers, housing advocate criticize development fee increase amid housing crisis

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-development-fee-increase-1.6544780

'Developers building a single-detached or semi-detached home will pay an additional $43,062 above the current rate of $93,978. The charge for constructing a condo with two or more bedrooms will go up $35,592 from $77,679, and the fee for apartments with two or more bedrooms will increase by $25,206 from $55,012.'

Wow, simply wow?!?!?!

If you actually believe that any single or semi-detached housing units are being built on any un-serviced land in the city of Toronto, then I guess you'd believe just about anything, especially the extremely self-serving gartbage spewed by the property development industry.

Ask yourself these questions:

1) Do you actually want multi-thousand condo units built in your neighborhood or area of the city without the necessary upgrades to existing infrastructure and soft services that would be needed to absorb this large increase in density?

2) Who do you want to have pay these development fees? The developers who pass on the cost the owners of these units or general property tax taxpayers throughout the city?

3) Do really believe the property tax base can afford to pay these fees and subsidize property developers and new owner/residents?

4) That is Ford's, at the behest of property developers, law now. Instead of new growth paying for growth, it is now the property taxpayers who will be paying. Is this what you want? I can tell you what, it is what developers want.

5) Do you truly believe that developers will pass on these multiple tens of thousands of $$$ of development fee savings that they will reap thanks to their puppet at Queens Park to housing unit purchases?

6) Do you want livable city?

 

[SchlongConery]

Wow, simply wow?!?!?!

If you actually believe that any single or semi-detached housing units are being built on any un-serviced land in the city of Toronto, then I guess you'd believe just about anything, especially the extremely self-serving gartbage spewed by the property development industry.

Ask yourself these questions:

1) Do you actually want multi-thousand condo units built in your neighborhood or area of the city without the necessary upgrades to existing infrastructure and soft services that would be needed to absorb this large increase in density?

2) Who do you want to have pay these development fees? The developers who pass on the cost the owners of these units or general property tax taxpayers throughout the city?

3) Do really believe the property tax base can afford to pay these fees and subsidize property developers and new owner/residents?

4) That is Ford's, at the behest of property developers, law now. Instead of new growth paying for growth, it is now the property taxpayers who will be paying. Is this what you want? I can tell you what, it is what developers want.

5) Do you truly believe that developers will pass on these multiple tens of thousands of $$$ of development fee savings that they will reap thanks to their puppet at Queens Park to housing unit purchases?

6) Do you want livable city?

I guess you missed this part of my post:

"These fees are actually required so that the municipality can pay for the (future) infrastructure like more sewage and water treatment facilities, libraries etc."

I understand development charges and why they are actually required. We used to call them impost fees and lots of us still do.

I was simply explaining and quantifying just one of the many not commonly known factors that affect the price of building new housing. I was not aware that Ford is eliminating them. Sounds like trouble for existing tax payers and future essential infrastructure.

I am also for intensification and smaller, better designed housing units. The Pan Am Games housing is a good start IMO.

If there is any criticism I have, and made in my post, is that municipalities, utilities and especially school boards (It's for the children you know!!!!) that both horde and mis-apply these Capital funds and when they finally get to building infrastructure (after making it all so political) they are grossly incompetent, careless, wasteful and corrupt in actually building infrastructure of any kind.

Toronto being a livable city is critically important to me. I have a strong feeling that you and I share most of the values that we think make Toronto good and bad .

 

[SchlongConery]

Wow, simply wow?!?!?!

If you actually believe that any single or semi-detached housing units are being built on any un-serviced land in the city of Toronto, then I guess you'd believe just about anything, especially the extremely self-serving gartbage spewed by the property development industry.

Ask yourself these questions:

1) Do you actually want multi-thousand condo units built in your neighborhood or area of the city without the necessary upgrades to existing infrastructure and soft services that would be needed to absorb this large increase in density?

2) Who do you want to have pay these development fees? The developers who pass on the cost the owners of these units or general property tax taxpayers throughout the city?

3) Do really believe the property tax base can afford to pay these fees and subsidize property developers and new owner/residents?

4) That is Ford's, at the behest of property developers, law now. Instead of new growth paying for growth, it is now the property taxpayers who will be paying. Is this what you want? I can tell you what, it is what developers want.

5) Do you truly believe that developers will pass on these multiple tens of thousands of $$$ of development fee savings that they will reap thanks to their puppet at Queens Park to housing unit purchases?

6) Do you want livable city?

Further to my criticism of the wastefulness within municipal govt.

Think of the sole/never working public toilet on Queens Quay and Rees St

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