Trump and the midterms
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That was finances though (and a contact with a "foreign individual").
This raid was explicitly positioned to be about her immigration status.
Now, I've since heard that they are re-opening the financial investigation as well, since why wouldn't you? (May as well do a full court press if you are going dumpster diving.)
This feels like it is starting to enter Clinton Rules territory - "we know she's guilty, we just haven't figured out of what yet".
So, you also doubt her citizenship status, despite the fact Trump's Department of Homeland Security basically did an investigation of her in 2019 to see if she committed fraud...And didn't any evidence that would lead to an actual investigation. As it stands right now, and how it will probably continue to stand, Omar is a naturalized US Citizen. She is an elected Congressperson who doesn't need to show gratitude for a country that allows racists to make these types of accusations against her, along with all the libellous bullshit they keep throwing at her. Is she perfect? Fuck no, but she is the target of a political based smear job that happened very close to an important election, which seems to go against the DOJ's stated policy about this sort of thing because it could influence an election. It's funny how that keeps happening to Trump's enemies, like Comey's braindead announcement days before the 2016 election about an additional investigation into Clinton's supposed servers that tuned out to be nothing...
I'm going to ignore the whole AI stuff, because we really don't know what type of impact it will have on us yet. But, I think we should discuss the supposed good economic numbers that the "liberal media" is downplaying. Can you please let us know what they are?
I ask this seriously, because the supposed "right-wing media" always found a way to distort Biden's positive numbers....And, I don't think the MSM is doing that.
I will also say that the stock market is not the economy. The majority of Americans have limited access to the stock market. Sure, they might have mutual funds and ETFs and what not, IRAs & 401Ks, but they don't tend to see the huge swings in money that the wealthy can benefit from...
The U.S. has had strong GDP growth and decent jobs growth. (It's hard to generate tremendous job growth with a 4.2% unemployment rate.)
These are very soft-pedaled data points by the liberal media.
You would think we have been in a recession if you turned on CNN and MSNBC.
We can contrast that to Canada's economic numbers which are even being juiced by energy prices.
Now I am literally the first to point out the cycle will turn. It always does. Doesn't matter who is in office. No political party has magic economic beans that brush aside cycles. A great professor of mine would demonstrate how even command economies have economic cycles much to their chagrin.
You are absolutely correct the right wing dramatized Biden's economic numbers. I don't know about distort as much as dramatize. Inflation was high during his term. Wages adjusted for inflation weren't great. Doesn't matter how you spin it.
I am not saying it was all Biden's fault. These are however objective data points. I think I dutifully present unadulterated economic data and information. If people including yourself believe something in your heart, there isn't any amount of economic data that will change your view.
PS- I can't tell you how many times I have had the Britain's economy isn't screwed because of Brexit discussion. The data shows the EU is screwed on its own course and has been for awhile. If you follow much of the liberal media, you are 99% certain that Brexit is the problem.
Housing affordability is another good economic discussion. I keep hearing how everyone's favorite boogeyman private equity is pushing up prices.
Data shows that the U.S. has been under building homes for fifteen years. We are now estimated to be ~4 million housing units. That's what pushing up prices. Private equity buyers understand the shortage. The only answer is clearly BUILD MORE HOUSES. Now there are ebbs and flows in real estate, but the underlying shortage will persist.
I don't have any idea about her citizenship status or her financial dealings.
My opinion is that not everyone should be allowed to migrate to the U.S. and Canada.
Certainly, everyone knows that I think people should come to the U.S. under the right context and under our immigration laws.
If you have mixed allegiances, that should be an issue.
These are not radical viewpoints in the U.S. and probably even in Canada.
I sense you have a very generous and forgiving concept of immigration.
That's your prerogative.
As I said, if the Trump Administration doesn't have reasonable suspicion and think it will score them electoral points in two weeks I think they are mistaken.
Omar is not popular beyond the Progressive wing of the Democrats, but she isn't really someone who shapes how independents vote one way or another.
She's likely just good for conservative media ratings.
I think the point the media is making is that GDP and job growth has slowed since Trump took over from Biden. And, a lot of the underlying indicators are way off. I mean, GDP grew because inflation is high. Is that solid growth? And the jobs numbers have been disappointing, not because of the Liberal media, but because economists who are polled monthly for their expectations on growth have seen the figure routinely come under those predictions. That's not a liberal media thing. That's something that's been around for 30+ years. I know this because I worked in financial journalism, and EVERY time the jobs or inflation numbers came out (actually, virtually every economic data point) had a consensus number, same with profit/loss for major companies. And, when these figures underperform the expectation, that's news worthy.
To prove this point, do a search and see how the monthly job number met or exceeded economic predictions since 2025. I'll give you a hint: about half. However, and this is a big fucking but, these figures get revised as the Department of Labour gets more information....and since Trumpty Dumpty took office, they have almost ALWAYS been revised lower. In fact, the US economy only added about 181,000 new jobs in all of 2025. Does that sound like a success story to you? There is no spin here, just facts provided by the government...
You can try to pretend that the media has it out for Trump. It's bullshit. He's the one who calls anything he doesn't like (or doesn't flatter him) fake news. And it wouldn't shock me if he had his minions mess with the reported figure to show him and his administration in a better light.
What, pray tell, are her mixed allegiances? Has Omar ever said that the US should be like Somalia, or has she done anything that put the US second to a foreign nation? I mean, I feel like you keep moving the goalposts here.
No, I didn't say she had mixed allegiance per se. It's always plausible.
Muslims clearly identify strongly with their religion. It's a fact that the Muslim world does not have strong secularization.
I have the same concern for unquestioning Jewish-American supporters of Israel. Both can be problems at the same time.
You don't have to agree. I've just telling you she's not popular even within her own party. She has said things that have alienated many Americans. It has nothing to do her with her race, choice of religion or her being an immigrant.
You seemed to be determined to make it about that.
Its shocking that the GOP is still letting trump out in public this close to the midterms.
At least Reagan's handlers kept him locked up as long as they could.
At least Reagan's handlers kept him locked up as long as they could.
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Saw on X earlier today some old guy flew out to meet his "girlfriend" only to find out he was sending money to an AI "girl"
Why would anyone be surprised that jobs growth decelerated in the later stages of our economic cycle? As I stated many times, I don't overly-focus on the economic cycle as much as structural long-term growth. The economic cycle ebbs and flows regardless of who is in office.
I don't know if you realize that you are citing above subjective and derivative job estimates. I frankly haven't even noticed what you cite other than I know from experience that job numbers are harder to predict in the later stages of the economic cycle.
Per Google AI, "Forecasting employment in the late stages of an economic cycle is difficult because standard labor indicators often send mixed or delayed signals as growth matures." This is not to mention jobs data are also harder to predict with a low unemployment rate such as our current level of 4.2%. It's simple logic. If skilled people are already employed, you can't create many skilled jobs.
I would definitely say that the economy was slightly better than under Biden. There is now a lot of angst over AI and this is and will not be strictly a U.S. phenomenon. Oil prices are high, but they are really know higher than most of 2022 when Russia invaded the Ukraine.
I wanted to respond to this point specifically. You and others tend to try to unpack too much on economics and wind up contradicting yourselves. Objectively, U.S. growth 2021-2024 was high but inflation was even higher. Of course, you know that our GDP numbers that are published are generally Real GDP (GDP adjusted for inflation).
It would appear you follow financial journalism and want to contribute your insights on economics. If you don't mind me asking, do you have any posts here over the last ten years that honestly discuss the anemic Canadian economy? All I generally hear on TERB is liberals blaming tariffs like we all just woke up to mediocre Canadian economic numbers in 2025. Incidentally, the Canadian unemployment rate was 6.7% when Trump took office.
You probably realize I am asking you to demonstrate that you are trying to objectively posting on economics and not just carrying the thoughts of an ideologue.
@silentkisser I woke up to this news today. I have yet to find it on CNN and MSNBC. They might get around to it.
WASHINGTON, Oct 22 (Reuters) - The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits dropped to near 57-year lows last week, pointing to low layoffs and labor market stability.
WASHINGTON, Oct 22 (Reuters) - The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits dropped to near 57-year lows last week, pointing to low layoffs and labor market stability.
