But Is It Genocide? By Any & All Reckoning: IT IS GENOCIDE, Wake Up!
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Nope.
In total, at least 1,195 people were killed by the attacks:[23][e][f] at least 828 civilians[23][24] (including 36 children[25] and 71 foreign nationals)[25] and at least 367 members of the security forces.
360 of the civilians killed were at the Nova festival that Netanyahu had extended, they mostly died from Apache and tank fire as well.
People seem to forget that Hamas' goal was to take hostages to exchange, not to kill people.
And you insisted I prove things with math.
But Cool.
OK, let's talk about what he actually said.
Which was about how proportionally this was like 16 9/11s.
I believe you and Shaq are claiming that this is inherently supremacist.
(But not because the math is wrong.)
Here's the relevant bit.
"Altogether, they slaughtered 1,200 Israelis that day.
I want to give you an idea of what this means for a country of 10 million. Proportionately, this is equal to 40,000 innocent Americans slaughtered in less than 24 hours. That's 16 times 9/11. Sixteen 9/11s that occurred not very far from here."
bara wojak says what this really means is "An Israeli life is worth 16 times that of an American life".
You agree with them.
The dishonest math isn't much of a problem, no.
It's a sign of his general dishonesty to push it when the numbers are already striking enough, but then, he's a dick.
But the proportionality comparison isn't a sign of Jewish supremacism.
If you want to argue that the rest of the speech amounting to "Therefore, we were right to kill all those Palestinians!" is a sign of Jewish supremacism, I wouldn't agree.
Interesting.
Just posting the link to the primary source is "biased or dishonest framing" in your eyes.
But that's not what I'm saying.
Of course you can dog-whistle.
But you actually have to show that they are dog-whistling.
"Altogether, they slaughtered 1,200 Israelis that day.
I want to give you an idea of what this means for a country of 10 million. Proportionately, this is equal to 40,000 innocent Americans slaughtered in less than 24 hours. That's 16 times 9/11. Sixteen 9/11s that occurred not very far from here."
Show me the dog-whistle here.
"Netanyahu is evil, so it probably means something sinister" isn't an argument.
Especially because we aren't talking about anything genereal.
The specific statement is that those five sentences mean "An Israeli life is worth 16 times that of an American life."
My argument is no, obviously that's not what that means and it isn't even a dogwhistle to the idea.
What it means is "That's my justification for everything Israel has done since Oct 7. You all went nuts and invaded two countries for 20 years after 9/11, so we doing all this shit is completely normal."
I used to be more outspoken about Israeli fuckery, but since Trump's 2nd term I realize that Canada is what I should care about.
It is good to see that US attitudes toward Israel are turning, it is not for a noble reasons though, it is because of high gas prices. When gas prices drop back down, maybe it will go back to the way it was before.
It is good to see that US attitudes toward Israel are turning, it is not for a noble reasons though, it is because of high gas prices. When gas prices drop back down, maybe it will go back to the way it was before.
Because "Look, he's evil, so obviously we can say whatever we want about what he said or what he secretly means" is not a good thing to cultivate.
The man says so many fucked up things, why not use those?
It's like people making dishonest, misleading clips of Trump - why bother when the reality is fucked up enough?
Your Macklemore obsession isn't any better - especially the whole "Look, this is obviously a Nazi salute" thing.
You do realize that 9/11 didn't happen in Israel, don't you?
Obviously you just made a typo there.
I thought "Only about 800 civilians died on 9/11" was some new xitter conspiracy theory I didn't know about.
The typo explains it.
Netanyahu usually doesn't say the obviously racist parts out loud, though he's been getting way closer to that of late. But as a racial supremacist its not unfair to look at what he says in that context.
He didn't say 1200 Israeli lives lost on Oct 7 wasn't as big as a tragedy as 3000 American lives on 9/11, he said the Israeli lives were way bigger a deal and used math to justify saying Oct 7 was 16x worse than 9/11.
His use of 'proportionally' was to argue that the loss of Israeli lives was way worse.
Its surprising you can't see that.
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What trump has done is make the connection between american imperialism and genocide direct.
From kidnapping the Venezuelan president and bragging about stealing their oil to his claims about wanting the land in Gaza, the oil in Iran and a 51st state, its all the same american imperialism that used to be more covert. Assassinating South American leaders, starting wars in Vietnam or Iraq all used to pretend to be noble.
Now the true justification of all those is the same as backing genocide in Gaza and Lebanon.
i think you're right about that for the older generations but i think like the younger generations will continue to despise israel regardless of gas prices
The allegation is that this is one of those fucked up things.
The allegation is that he is infact dog-whistling.
The bottomline is that there is nothing dishonest about assuming the worst about scum like Netanyahu.
The Americans never care about things for noble reasons.
It is always about them.
Example: They were against the Vietnam war, Iraq War etc because American soldiers were dying. They could care less about the 3M+ Vietnamese or the 1M+ Iraqis that were killed due to these illegal invasions.
Once again , you're full of shit...
A total of 2,977 victims died in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, plus the 19 hijackers, bringing the overall total to 2,996. [1, 2]
Breakdown by Location
- World Trade Center (New York City): 2,753 people died.
- The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia): 184 people died (including those on the plane and inside the building).
First Responder Fatalities
- Firefighters: 343 members of the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) died.
- Law Enforcement: 72 law enforcement officers died (including 37 Port Authority Police Department officers and 23 NYPD officers)
I didn't read the other responses, but from the quoted it appears Frank may be talking about October 7, not 9/11.
I read the other responses now and it appears he may have gotten tangled up in the comparison between 9/11 and October 7.
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