Pickering Angels

Lost all motivation to pursue women after discovering hobbying.

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To be honest getting to sleep with beautiful women with no effort has really messed with my head. I have friends taller handsome and richer than me jumping through hoops to spoil their ugly old gfs, taking them to fancy dinners and dates, buying them gifts and going on vacations, but I can't be bothered knowing sex with a girl 10x hotter who'll make you feel like a god is just a phonecall away.
Realistically my looks are below average. My civvie "match" is going to be an ugly woman. But in the hobbying world, I can ACTUALLY sleep with that 21 year old smokeshow. How can I ever go back and accept a normal life supporting an ugly wife?
I've lost all motivation to improve my personal life, career, fitness, and social skills.
 

Butler1000

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If your only motivation to improve yourself was to get girls that is the real problem. You should be taking care of yourself physically, mentally, emotionally and societally because that is the right thing to do. For yourself.

BTW you can have your cake and eat it too. You don't necessarily need or want the hot one at home. High maintenance is the real word fimor most of them. But money, status etc does matter.

So pulerhaps change your perspective on the why.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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I don't think pursuing women, marrying, having GFs etc., matters that much.
But you should definitely take care of your personal life, career, fitness and social skills as they go beyond women.
And any one or all of those can impact your hobbying just as much.
 

xmontrealer

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I know we can say whatever we want on these anonymous forums, but referring to your friends having “ugly old gfs” isn’t a good look.

Have you tried letting your friends know how you really feel about them and their gfs?
What would he gain from that, besides losing his friends?

We don't always have to express our thoughts to those who might be hurt by them, unless it is to protect them from what we fear would be making big mistakes. His friends' gf's may be ugly in the OP's eyes, but maybe their contribution to their relationships with his friends goes beyond their looks...
 

iceberglemon

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What would he gain from that, besides losing his friends?

We don't always have to express our thoughts to those who might be hurt by them, unless it is to protect them from what we fear would be making big mistakes. His friends' gf's may be ugly in the OP's eyes, but maybe their contribution to their relationships with his friends goes beyond their looks...
The second part of my comment was meant to be sarcastic.

OP takes advantage of web anonymity to make fun of his friends’ attachment to their SOs, whom he also disparages, all behind their back.

I don’t see that as a particularly friendly thing to say or do.
 

xmontrealer

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The second part of my comment was meant to be sarcastic.

OP takes advantage of web anonymity to make fun of his friends’ attachment to their SOs, whom he also disparages, all behind their back.

I don’t see that as a particularly friendly thing to say or do.
It's not.

I was wondering why you would suggest it.

As you say, there is web anonymity here. He wasn't hurting anyone in his comments, unless they are also on terb and know his terb name...

Now, as to the OP's lack of maturity displayed, that's a horse of a different stable...
 

SexB

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I continued to use a couple dating sites even while I was seeing escorts but I gradually fell off with it.

I have absolutely zero interest in civvie dating. I do sort of regret not giving Tinder a shot before it went to shit and a couple of the ladies I see told me I'd probably do well on Bumble.
 

Endurance2024

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To be honest getting to sleep with beautiful women with no effort has really messed with my head. I have friends taller handsome and richer than me jumping through hoops to spoil their ugly old gfs, taking them to fancy dinners and dates, buying them gifts and going on vacations, but I can't be bothered knowing sex with a girl 10x hotter who'll make you feel like a god is just a phonecall away.
Realistically my looks are below average. My civvie "match" is going to be an ugly woman. But in the hobbying world, I can ACTUALLY sleep with that 21 year old smokeshow. How can I ever go back and accept a normal life supporting an ugly wife?
I've lost all motivation to improve my personal life, career, fitness, and social skills.
I'm going to put this out to you.
There is more to civi relationship than looks. There has to be. First and foremost is friendship (got each other's back) then caring for each other in every sense, health, careers and other family and friend relationships. and if marriage and building a life together with kids is in the cards all this is important. I'm going to add hot sex with compatible sex drives is also important.

Now I've seen HAF looking SPs and the sex has been meh. And a NMCOT looks SP but of the charts sex. So perhaps some of your buddies are lucky in that department

Now back to hot looks. Yes if your fortunate enough to land that special one and with the 10x better looks than your buddies that would be ideal. But you still need more than looks to make it work. It has to be because as you grow old together you both lose your youthful looks and the rest of your relationship has to matter to make it work for the long haul.

Something to ponder 🤔
 

newguy2201

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I'm not sure this is a healthy way to view women and relationships. Do you think all your friends are looking at you and saying "damn I wish I was paying to have meaningless sex with women who wouldn't give me the time of day without my wallet, instead of sitting here with my ugly old GF"

No they are enjoying the confidence and glow that you get from knowing that someone has your back, chooses you even at your worst and actually wants to spend time with you.

Its what we are wired to do.

Just remember that hot young SP you are so excited to see for an hour here and there may have a BF, Fiance, or husband. She is getting her emotional needs met while you get the odd performance for a few hundred dollars a pop.

I wouldn't go looking down your nose at your friends or thinking you have discovered some lifehack.
 

shadeau

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How can I ever go back and accept a normal life supporting an ugly wife?
Why would you want to go back to that? I’d advise you to not accept that sort of normal life.

Endurance2024 and Newguy2201 are advocating for traditional girlfriends and marriage because those sorts of relationships give you a good friend who’s “got your back”.

That doesn’t convince me. I’ve got amazing friends who I’m not married to and I’m not having sex with. The idea that you need to marry someone or have a girlfriend in order to have a friend just seems silly to me. Endurance2024 and Newguy2201, if you’re each able to say that your wife is your best friend, that’s great — I’m happy for you. A lot of marriages don’t work out that way. There are innumerable TERB threads about marriages that went bad. Marriage is a gamble. Is the gamble worth it?

In advocating for marriage, Endurance2024 implies that hot sex is a good reason to get married. (And, presumably in acknowledgement of Keyakizaka46fan’s claim that he would have to marry an ugly woman, Endurance2024 implies that sex with an unattractive woman can still be hot.) Right, as if you can predict at the beginning of a marriage whether or not the sex will still be hot ten years into the marriage. There are plenty of couples who started out having hot sex but who, ten years into their marriage, barely ever have sex. Again, marriage is a gamble. Endurance2024, if you’re having hot sex with your wife, I am sincerely happy for you. But don’t come on here telling other guys that that is the reason to get married. It worked out for you — congratulations! It doesn’t work out for everyone.

Keyakizaka46fan, you can have an enjoyable life without getting married. Lots of people do. The disturbing part of your post to me was where you wrote that you’ve lost the motivation to improve your career and your social skills.

Carrer:
If you’re not going to get married, if you’re going to satisfy your sexual needs by seeing escorts, then you’re going to need money. Do not ignore this aspect of life. Having sex with beautiful escorts should be a motivation to build a career so that you can pay those escorts. Make THAT your motivation.

Social skills:
If you’re not getting married, you will need friends. A life spent at home, alone, watching television and playing video games is not a life worth living, even if you do occasionally see escorts. Escorts are great — I love ‘em — but they shouldn’t be your whole social life. Whether you get married or not, interaction with people who genuinely care about you is important. If necessary, FORCE YOURSELF to cultivate friendships. Perhaps re-establish old ones or develop new ones. I’m not sure what your motivation should be — well, I do know. Butler1000 was right about this — you’ve got to do this for your sake.

I’ll admit, when I was young and going out socially to parties or whatever, my main motivation was “I might meet someone”, as in, someone who might become a girlfriend and potentially a wife. But along the way, I met all of these other great people who didn’t become girlfriends or wives but instead became “just” friends — friends who are still important to me today, decades later. If I hadn’t had that motivation to meet potential girlfriends/wives, I might not have met all of the terrific people who are still friends now. So I understand where you're coming from and how losing your interest in meeting potential girlfriend/wives could mess with your desire to socialize. All I can say is, go out regardless — socialize regardless. In the long run, it’s worth it.
 
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shadeau

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Do you think all your friends are looking at you and saying "damn I wish I was paying to have meaningless sex with women who wouldn't give me the time of day without my wallet, instead of sitting here with my ugly old GF"
It depends. If they’re young, those friends might be happy with their ugly girlfriends and they might not not be impressed with Keyakizaka46fan for having “meaningless sex” with beautiful women (if he’s letting his friends know that he’s paying for sex).

But let’s say that those friends marry those ugly girlfriends, and let’s say that Keyakizaka46fan doesn’t marry but instead continues to have “meaningless sex” with beautiful escorts. In, say, fifteen years, my guess would be that at least some of those friends will be genuinely envious of Keyakizaka46fan.

Two of my male friends got married about twenty years ago. Let’s call them X and Y.

X made a good choice, and his wife remains a perfect life-partner who genuinely does have X’s back, just as he has hers.

Y’s story didn’t go as well. His wife seemed great twenty years ago, but she turned into an alcoholic mess who now hates Y’s guts. He’s admitted to me that I made the smart choice in not getting married and in having “meaningless sex” with beautiful escorts.

Marriage is a gamble. I’m not a gambling man. I prefer going for the “sure thing”. I suspected that I was more likely to be happy in the future if I didn’t get married but instead had lots of “meaningless sex” with escorts. And here we are in the future — I’m happy with my sex-life and I’m happy with my life in general. Yes, X is also happy, but I’m not envious of his good fortune because I’m happy with my situation. (Plus, as genuinely nice as X's wife is, I’ve never found her to be physically attractive. She's just not my type.)

As for that phrase “meaningless sex” — I have sex with one escort who I see regularly. Because I truly like her as a person, the sex does not feel meaningless to me. In the past I have had paid-sex that felt meaningless — empty. So I know what you’re talking about, Newguy2201. But just because sex with escorts CAN feel meaningless, that doesn’t mean that it always IS meaningless. It depends on the escort. I’m not fooling myself into thinking that my current delightful regular is in love with me, I’m just saying that sex with her isn’t meaningless.

And reading Keyakizaka46fan’s post, I did not get the impression that he feels like he’s discovered a “lifehack”. He sounds miserable and confused about his lack of motivation as a result paying for sex. Read his post again. I think paying for sex can be a life-hack for some guys, but that’s not how Keyakizaka46fan is experiencing it.
 
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@keyakizaka46fan I suggest you watch this...it may give you insight to who you are.... and why..


 

psycho888999

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To be honest getting to sleep with beautiful women with no effort has really messed with my head. I have friends taller handsome and richer than me jumping through hoops to spoil their ugly old gfs, taking them to fancy dinners and dates, buying them gifts and going on vacations, but I can't be bothered knowing sex with a girl 10x hotter who'll make you feel like a god is just a phonecall away.
Realistically my looks are below average. My civvie "match" is going to be an ugly woman. But in the hobbying world, I can ACTUALLY sleep with that 21 year old smokeshow. How can I ever go back and accept a normal life supporting an ugly wife?
I've lost all motivation to improve my personal life, career, fitness, and social skills.
Honestly dude, before discovering this hobby I loooooved playing the game. Its about the thrill of the chase than anything, but then I crunched the numbers.
As men, our bottom line is sex. And the amount of time, money, and work I should have been doing is astronomical to pull a civie girl. Think about it. Emotional investment and that anticipation for the text back is motivational currency that could have been used to learn a new skill or investment. And then the dates, courting, gas, gifts, even if the girl is easy, its still around 200 bucks at the lower end. And what is the end goal? Sex. Most dudes that play the field will just pump and dump their civie rosters and go after someone else. Its a different kind of hobby. I work 6-7 days a week as an entrepreneur and I simply dont have time keep a normal relationship. Let alone have a 5+ roster (which is crucial for success at game).
Apples and oranges here my friend. Youre achieving the same goal with different more efficient means. A lot of the sps I hit up end up becoming friends in the civie world, clients for my own business or sometimes even actual dating lmao. Think of it as low risk dating in complete reverse XD
 
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Are you guys on drugs? WTF is wrong with you? Marriage or common law should not be in the cards. Most marriages are unsuccessful: about 50% end in divorce and another 10% to 30% are long but unhappy marriages. And the family court system is very anti-male. In a divorce you will lose the house, your other assets and your money and worst of all, you will lose custody of your kids. The failure rate of marriages in which the bride was a virgin on her wedding night is only about 4%. Good luck finding a virgin to marry. And dating should also not be in the cards. If the girl gets mad at you, she can cry rape. If she is desperate, she might get pregnant to force you into marriage.
 

ogibowt

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Are you guys on drugs? WTF is wrong with you? Marriage or common law should not be in the cards. Most marriages are unsuccessful: about 50% end in divorce and another 10% to 30% are long but unhappy marriages. And the family court system is very anti-male. In a divorce you will lose the house, your other assets and your money and worst of all, you will lose custody of your kids. The failure rate of marriages in which the bride was a virgin on her wedding night is only about 4%. Good luck finding a virgin to marry. And dating should also not be in the cards. If the girl gets mad at you, she can cry rape. If she is desperate, she might get pregnant to force you into marriage.
You have such an uplifting view of women and marriage ..us poor men have been hard done by for centuries lol... relationships are tough, but men seem to always be the victims in your world..........................sir, get a grip........
 
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Same lolll

It's actually good because now I'll never seem desperate to a civie woman ever again

And the best part with escorts is, it's all safe sex. It's harder to have safe sex with a civie woman, because they usually get weirded out when I mention no making out and no oral without a condom

There's also no emotional drama, and no fear of a woman turning into a stalker because I want to stop seeing her
 
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hentailover

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Why would you want to go back to that? I’d advise you to not accept that sort of normal life.

Endurance2024 and Newguy2201 are advocating for traditional girlfriends and marriage because those sorts of relationships give you a good friend who’s “got your back”.

That doesn’t convince me. I’ve got amazing friends who I’m not married to and I’m not having sex with. The idea that you need to marry someone or have a girlfriend in order to have a friend just seems silly to me. Endurance2024 and Newguy2201, if you’re each able to say that your wife is your best friend, that’s great — I’m happy for you. A lot of marriages don’t work out that way. There are innumerable TERB threads about marriages that went bad. Marriage is a gamble. Is the gamble worth it?

In advocating for marriage, Endurance2024 implies that hot sex is a good reason to get married. (And, presumably in acknowledgement of Keyakizaka46fan’s claim that he would have to marry an ugly woman, Endurance2024 implies that sex with an unattractive woman can still be hot.) Right, as if you can predict at the beginning of a marriage whether or not the sex will still be hot ten years into the marriage. There are plenty of couples who started out having hot sex but who, ten years into their marriage, barely ever have sex. Again, marriage is a gamble. Endurance2024, if you’re having hot sex with your wife, I am sincerely happy for you. But don’t come on here telling other guys that that is the reason to get married. It worked out for you — congratulations! It doesn’t work out for everyone.

Keyakizaka46fan, you can have an enjoyable life without getting married. Lots of people do. The disturbing part of your post to me was where you wrote that you’ve lost the motivation to improve your career and your social skills.

Carrer:
If you’re not going to get married, if you’re going to satisfy your sexual needs by seeing escorts, then you’re going to need money. Do not ignore this aspect of life. Having sex with beautiful escorts should be a motivation to build a career so that you can pay those escorts. Make THAT your motivation.

Social skills:
If you’re not getting married, you will need friends. A life spent at home, alone, watching television and playing video games is not a life worth living, even if you do occasionally see escorts. Escorts are great — I love ‘em — but they shouldn’t be your whole social life. Whether you get married or not, interaction with people who genuinely care about you is important. If necessary, FORCE YOURSELF to cultivate friendships. Perhaps re-establish old ones or develop new ones. I’m not sure what your motivation should be — well, I do know. Butler1000 was right about this — you’ve got to do this for your sake.

I’ll admit, when I was young and going out socially to parties or whatever, my main motivation was “I might meet someone”, as in, someone who might become a girlfriend and potentially a wife. But along the way, I met all of these other great people who didn’t become girlfriends or wives but instead became “just” friends — friends who are still important to me today, decades later. If I hadn’t had that motivation to meet potential girlfriends/wives, I might not have met all of the terrific people who are still friends now. So I understand where you're coming from and how losing your interest in meeting potential girlfriend/wives could mess with your desire to socialize. All I can say is, go out regardless — socialize regardless. In the long run, it’s worth it.

Agreed! Very well articulated as well. I think most people who advocate for marriage either got lucky and found a great partner, while overlooking how much luck played a role, or they had a solid prenup.

If you look at the odds of the gamble in today’s dating scene, it becomes difficult to motivate someone to pursue marriage if they don’t already have a potential partner.
 
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