War with Iran

Butler1000

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I disagree. There is a middle ground: condemning Israel’s actions without pretending Hamas or Hezbollah are innocent.

Why no pressure on HAMAS and Hezbollah to capitulate to a peace deal?

Why are you so one sided?

At least I can call all the parties out as being extreme; why can't you?
Hamas offered a deal. Netanyahu turned it down.

Of course both parties are at fault. But its Israel carrying out ethnic cleansing. And the one with tanks, jets, and unlimited support.

And it was Israel that started this war. I say walk away and let them fight it. Alone. No money. That is the difference.

Israel has now proven itself not to be an asset in the region, but a dangerous liability. As well as dangerous player in USA politics. That is clear.

What's wrong with saying to Isreal, that's it. Done?
 

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Iran attacks US failures as scepticism grows over Israeli role in Trump 'assassination plot'
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A replica of an Iranian air force F-4 Phantom fighter aircraft is displayed in a city square in Bandar Abbas in southern Iran on 10 August (AFP/Atta Kenare)

A replica of an Iranian air force F-4 Phantom fighter aircraft is displayed in a city square in Bandar Abbas in southern Iran on 10 August (AFP/Atta Kenare)
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Iran has accused the US of allowing faulty intelligence to drive it into war, as new reports revealed that CIA analysts doubted an Israeli warning that triggered a secret security operation during President Donald Trump’s visit to Turkey.
Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said on Thursday that Washington “has long miscalculated due to intelligence failures”, including when it launched its war on Iran.
He said US actions in the Strait of Hormuz represented “an even bigger miscalculation”.
“Worse than fake news is fake intelligence,” Araghchi wrote on X.
His comments came as The Washington Post confirmed earlier reporting by Middle East Eye that Turkish officials viewed an Israeli warning about an Iranian plot to assassinate Trump during last month’s Nato summit in Ankara as a ruse designed to undermine negotiations with Tehran.
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Israel passed the intelligence to the CIA, but US analysts found it unconvincing and warned administration officials about its low credibility, the newspaper reported.
The warning prompted security officials to fly Trump out of Turkey aboard an alternative military aircraft after he secretly switched planes on the tarmac in Ankara.
Israel passed the intelligence to the CIA, but US analysts found it unconvincing and warned administration officials about its low credibility...
Trump confirmed the operation on Tuesday, saying he had followed the instructions of his security team.
The dispute over Israeli intelligence comes alongside continuing and competing declarations about control of the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world’s most important energy routes.
Hossein Taeb, commander of the Basij paramilitary unit, an affiliate of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, said the waterway was “under Iran’s control and management”.
“Today you see that the Strait of Hormuz is under the management and control of the Islamic Republic, and our country continues on its path in complete security,” Taeb said, according to Iran’s Fars news agency.
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This US Navy handout photograph released on 4 August shows an F-18 Super Hornet launching on the USS Abraham Lincoln on 31 July (US Navy/AFP)


“The Americans saw the power of the Islamic revolution,” he added.
His comments came a day after Trump claimed that the US had “total control” of the strategic waterway.



'The hypocrisy is blatant and embarrassing'
Separately, Araghchi also attacked France and other Western governments for condemning Iran’s treatment of protesters while continuing to support Israel despite its genocide in Gaza and attacks across the Middle East.
“Countries like France should stop lecturing the world about ‘human rights’ and international law. The hypocrisy is blatant and embarrassing,” he wrote.
“Your backing of Israel’s genocide in Gaza, and aggression against Iran, has destroyed whatever moral high ground you imagined you had.”
Meanwhile, Democratic US Senator Richard Blumenthal demanded answers from War Secretary Pete Hegseth and the Navy over deteriorating conditions aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, which has spent more than 250 days at sea.

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“The Trump Admin must explain what they are doing to support sailors on the USS Abraham Lincoln who have been continuously at sea for nearly 7 months,” he wrote on X.
"Widespread reports of supply shortages, plumbing issues, deteriorating mental health & more demand immediate attention.”
Washington diverted the aircraft carrier from exercises in the South China Sea to the Middle East in late January as it built up forces before launching the war on Iran.
Since then, US military families and members of Congress have raised concerns over worsening mental health conditions aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln as its 5,000 sailors and marines endure a prolonged deployment linked to the war on Iran.
The Navy Times and Stars and Stripes reported that several sailors had attempted to jump overboard as difficult conditions and psychological pressure pushed the crew towards breaking point.
The carrier has entered its ninth month at sea. Its crew has spent 250 consecutive days without reaching land, marking the longest uninterrupted deployment by a modern aircraft carrier.
Stars and Stripes reported that one woman told officials her husband had sent her a message that day saying “he hopes he doesn’t wake up tomorrow”.
 

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Lol! Its coming from sailors families who complained at the Pentagon. The Abraham has been over 250 days at sea. Normally its max 6 weeks before going to shore. Even during a war like this.
Not even close dude. Look up USS Midway.

The ship has been at sea, but the nice thing about a carrier is that the aircraft make regular runs ashore for supplies. They have been rotating the people into Diego Garcia for RnR.

The reports in the news are just unhappy media playing games to support anti-Trump narratives. Fuck’em
 

Butler1000

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Not even close dude. Look up USS Midway.

The ship has been at sea, but the nice thing about a carrier is that the aircraft make regular runs ashore for supplies. They have been rotating the people into Diego Garcia for RnR.

The reports in the news are just unhappy media playing games to support anti-Trump narratives. Fuck’em
Nope, reports are real. Bad conditions are real. Because they don't give a shit about US military personel. Which is fine. Because the more they mistreat them, the less likely they are to support them.
 

squeezer

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Hamas offered a deal. Netanyahu turned it down.

Of course both parties are at fault. But its Israel carrying out ethnic cleansing. And the one with tanks, jets, and unlimited support.

And it was Israel that started this war. I say walk away and let them fight it. Alone. No money. That is the difference.

Israel has now proven itself not to be an asset in the region, but a dangerous liability. As well as dangerous player in USA politics. That is clear.

What's wrong with saying to Isreal, that's it. Done?
Not quite...do you actually believe BIBI trusts Trumpshart.

As for Iran and Israel starting the war, I don't disagree and the US is free to walk away anytime it wants to but you know very well Trumpshart cannot do that, looking like a dog with his tail between his legs.

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The Disarmament Framework
    • The Agreement: Hamas accepted a proposal brokered in Egypt to place its heavy weapons, tunnels, and military production sites into storage rather than outright destruction. [1, 2]
    • Governance Transfer: Authority over civil administration in Gaza is designated to the National Committee for the Administration of Gaza (NCAG), a transitional Palestinian technocratic body. [1, 2, 3]
    • International Oversight: An International Stabilization Force (ISF) is planned to deploy to secure areas, train new local police, and manage aid. [1]

Conditions and Obstacles
    • Hamas's Stance: Hamas states that handing over weapons for storage is conditional on Israel completely ending military operations and withdrawing its forces from Gaza. [1, 2]
    • Israel's Rejection: The Israeli government has criticized the terms as insufficient, stating it will not pull back troops until genuine, complete disarmament of all Hamas military capabilities is verified.
 

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I am, and ABSOLUTELY HAMAS and Hezbollah should be wiped out.

YOU ARE not! You only see it your way and that's NOT MY problem.
Almost 3 years and the IDF has failed to wipe out Hama as for Hezbollah FORGET IT, they are way more powerful then Hamas
 
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Almost 3 years and the IDF has failed to wipe out Hama as for Hezbollah FORGET IT, they are way more powerful then Hamas
Then BIBI is correct to keep on going??

Just like Putin because he can't stop the Big Z??

Putin and Bibi should keep on going ??
 

nottyboi

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Then BIBI is correct to keep on going??

Just like Putin because he can't stop the Big Z??

Putin and Bibi should keep on going ??
Israel has LOST, Russia is moving forward, Israel has only killed some old leaders and put smarter and more aggressive leaders in power. If the orange clown were to die a smarter leader would probably replace him... like President Auto Pen for example
 
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La la land

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Complete buffoon

The idiotic hasbara is jaw dropping. They lose every time to put out this garbage. It’s the same with the Zio’s on this board who try to reset the narrative with completely discredited hasbara scripts. They have absolutely no self awareness.

 
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