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heidenk

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Follow on thread in case anyone is interested in discussing hobbying that's safe for both/all parties. Started in this thread.

Some of the background --
There was a "john sting" in Ottawa two months ago, targeting demand for underage sex work
https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/news...sting-targeting-demand-for-underage-sex-work/

And the @Theredmilf was kind enough to share her considerable expertise on this and associated issues
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/any...on-a-lot-of-ll-ads.935914/page-2#post-9525224
 

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From what I can tell, police are not interested in prostitution unless there are minors, trafficking etc. Btw that is great. Anyone involved in any of that should go to jail.

I would challenge anyone to name a recent case in Ottawa where someone was arrested and none of those things were involved.
 
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Obviously let me start off and say that I don’t support or condone anyone who’s underage or being forced into sexual work

but when I see these stings … am I that naive … I don’t think I’ve come across ads or sites (at least in Ottawa) where underage SP are being announced? .. or being requested.

So are these John’s just deviants there are also idiots that think you can ask for illicit services like those on the internet? And get caught by these stings ??

Or is this deep darkweb shit ? Is there a hidden underground underage network and the sting focused on Ottawa …

anyway Just ranting
 
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heidenk

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Yes, happy to see the cops picking up johns involved in underage SP.

In terms of general john sweeps in Ottawa, from a quick search I just see one in 2018, Vanier

And another, 2017, also in Vanier


In Montreal, a bust of a large and evil-sounding agency this spring
https://www.reddit.com/r/montreal/comments/1s0hdhh
Original article:
 

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Obviously let me start off and say that I don’t support or condone anyone who’s underage or being forced into sexual work

but when I see these stings … am I that naive … I don’t think I’ve come across ads or sites (at least in Ottawa) where underage SP are being announced? .. or being requested.

So are these John’s just deviants there are also idiots that think you can ask for illicit services like those on the internet? And get caught by these stings ??

Or is this deep darkweb shit ? Is there a hidden underground underage network and the sting focused on Ottawa …

anyway Just ranting
I get where you’re coming from, and I appreciate you starting by clearly saying you don’t support underage or forced situations.

You’re right that you rarely (if ever) see ads in Ottawa openly advertising underage providers. Those situations usually don’t look like that. The ads that get used in stings tend to rely on coded or suggestive language rather than anything explicit, which is why they can catch people who are either specifically looking for that or just not reading carefully.

It does sound a bit naïve to assume it only happens on some deep, hidden network. A lot of the time the warning signs are more subtle, and they show up even in everyday classifieds and review boards. On TERB itself you’ll sometimes see posts where people flag situations that feel off — someone who seems controlled or coached, someone who appears checked out or dissociated, or a situation where there’s clearly a handler involved.

When you read accounts from survivors, a recurring theme is that the clients were often just regular guys of all ages and backgrounds. Many of them seemed completely unaware (or chose not to look too closely) that the person they were seeing was being trafficked. One Toronto Life piece that sticks with me has a survivor describing exactly that — clients who were “a dad next door, a real estate agent, a guy from corporate…” ordinary people who treated it like any other booking.

(Here’s the article if you want to read it: https://torontolife.com/life/how-i-was-lured-into-the-nightmarish-world-of-sex-trafficking-at-15/)

That’s part of what makes it so disturbing. It’s not just cartoon villains — it’s everyday men. You only have to look at the Pelicot case to see how ordinary, “respectable” guys can be involved in sexual exploitation and still go about their regular lives.

The signs are often there if you know what to look for, but a lot of people either miss them or decide not to dig deeper. That’s part of why the stings keep happening and why they still net people who don’t fit the “deviant predator” stereotype. This is what we mean when we say it’s hidden in plain sight.

This is another reason careful research matters so much. I believe clients have a responsibility to help ensure the situation is safe not only for themselves, but for the provider as well.

I know these are sensitive subjects, and I’m not trying to single anyone out. But if we’re participating in this industry, I think it’s important to take the time to educate ourselves and move with awareness and discernment.
 

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I get where you’re coming from, and I appreciate you starting by clearly saying you don’t support underage or forced situations.

You’re right that you rarely (if ever) see ads in Ottawa openly advertising underage providers. Those situations usually don’t look like that. The ads that get used in stings tend to rely on coded or suggestive language rather than anything explicit, which is why they can catch people who are either specifically looking for that or just not reading carefully.

It does sound a bit naïve to assume it only happens on some deep, hidden network. A lot of the time the warning signs are more subtle, and they show up even in everyday classifieds and review boards. On TERB itself you’ll sometimes see posts where people flag situations that feel off — someone who seems controlled or coached, someone who appears checked out or dissociated, or a situation where there’s clearly a handler involved.

When you read accounts from survivors, a recurring theme is that the clients were often just regular guys of all ages and backgrounds. Many of them seemed completely unaware (or chose not to look too closely) that the person they were seeing was being trafficked. One Toronto Life piece that sticks with me has a survivor describing exactly that — clients who were “a dad next door, a real estate agent, a guy from corporate…” ordinary people who treated it like any other booking.

(Here’s the article if you want to read it: https://torontolife.com/life/how-i-was-lured-into-the-nightmarish-world-of-sex-trafficking-at-15/)

That’s part of what makes it so disturbing. It’s not just cartoon villains — it’s everyday men. You only have to look at the Pelicot case to see how ordinary, “respectable” guys can be involved in sexual exploitation and still go about their regular lives.

The signs are often there if you know what to look for, but a lot of people either miss them or decide not to dig deeper. That’s part of why the stings keep happening and why they still net people who don’t fit the “deviant predator” stereotype. This is what we mean when we say it’s hidden in plain sight.

This is another reason careful research matters so much. I believe clients have a responsibility to help ensure the situation is safe not only for themselves, but for the provider as well.

I know these are sensitive subjects, and I’m not trying to single anyone out. But if we’re participating in this industry, I think it’s important to take the time to educate ourselves and move with awareness and discernment.
Agree 💯. As clients we have a responsibility to steer very clear of any possible situation where underaged providers or trafficking may be involved.
 

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The Toronto Life piece is horrifying but worth reading.

Quoting from another thread, guidance on how to not contribute to these nightmares:

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The single biggest protective factor is doing your research and booking reputable, independent providers. That means looking for people with a clear online presence, consistent history, good client feedback, and who appear to control their own work and schedule.

It also means actively avoiding situations that look like they could involve trafficking or other criminal activity. Red flags include:
  • Providers who seem coached, monitored, or unable to communicate freely
  • Multiple people involved in the booking process or “handlers” in the background
  • Unrealistic pricing, high-volume “always available” ads, or pressure to move quickly
  • Locations or set-ups that feel tied to other illegal activity (drug sales, etc.)
  • Visible signs of abuse, or someone who seems particularly checked out, disinterested, or dissociated
  • The sense that the person is not there of their own free will
Extra caution is warranted when someone appears newly arrived from another country and shows limited ability to speak for themselves, control their own schedule or money, or make independent decisions. Language barriers combined with signs of external control can be an indicator that the person is not working freely. In those cases the safest course is simply to walk away and book someone who is clearly independent and able to communicate on their own terms.
 
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For those who prefer podcasts I found this one eye-opening. She met her pimp at a public bus stop, he slowly groomed her by becoming friends, bought her some things and when he knew she was indebted, suggested she repay him by turning tricks. She was living at home at the time. Terrifying to imagine as a parent:

 
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randomott

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Yes, happy to see the cops picking up johns involved in underage SP.

In terms of general john sweeps in Ottawa, from a quick search I just see one in 2018, Vanier

And another, 2017, also in Vanier


In Montreal, a bust of a large and evil-sounding agency this spring
https://www.reddit.com/r/montreal/comments/1s0hdhh
Original article:
Yes, happy to see the cops picking up johns involved in underage SP.

In terms of general john sweeps in Ottawa, from a quick search I just see one in 2018, Vanier

And another, 2017, also in Vanier


In Montreal, a bust of a large and evil-sounding agency this spring
https://www.reddit.com/r/montreal/comments/1s0hdhh
Original article:
Two of those cases involved streetwalking and one (the Montreal agency) involved allegations of coercive behavior. That's my point...cops aren't interested consensual encounters with of age people in a private setting. It's not like cops are going on leolist posting "normal" ads for stings. They do that in the states still but I've seen no evidence of it in Canada.
 

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I booked recently with one of the Asian ads. Everything looked above board in the ad and I verbally checked that the girl was of age once there and she did strike me as being in her 20s too. I never see providers under 25, but I was tight for time and I figured 20-22 would be fine this once. She also didn't seem under duress and was very pleasant. But now I read a post that there are cameras at some of these places and it's freaking me the hell out because I was never going in with the intent of participating in any nefarious shit. As I said, she was nice, smiley, pleasant, talkative, super relaxed... I didn't get any sketchy vibes at all.

Now I run into this post, and I don't know if I'm stereotyping the agency or if it's just my own ick for not sticking to my standard, but now I'm scared about this camera thing.

Lesson learned for sure, but if the place is raided, do they go after clients based on that, despite having zero interest in coming into contact with underage or ht SPs? Do these places (not one of the AMP storefront type place) get taken out often? Is it best to avoid them all or am I being paranoid?
 

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I booked recently with one of the Asian ads. Everything looked above board in the ad and I verbally checked that the girl was of age once there and she did strike me as being in her 20s too. I never see providers under 25, but I was tight for time and I figured 20-22 would be fine this once. She also didn't seem under duress and was very pleasant. But now I read a post that there are cameras at some of these places and it's freaking me the hell out because I was never going in with the intent of participating in any nefarious shit. As I said, she was nice, smiley, pleasant, talkative, super relaxed... I didn't get any sketchy vibes at all.

Now I run into this post, and I don't know if I'm stereotyping the agency or if it's just my own ick for not sticking to my standard, but now I'm scared about this camera thing.

Lesson learned for sure, but if the place is raided, do they go after clients based on that, despite having zero interest in coming into contact with underage or ht SPs? Do these places (not one of the AMP storefront type place) get taken out often? Is it best to avoid them all or am I being paranoid?
The worry I have with Asian places is not cameras, it’s being unable to tell whether human trafficking is involved. I don’t speak the language, have no idea of what to look for. In some of these places the women sleep on premises and get moved around monthly. Not exactly easy to tell if it’s voluntary work.
 
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