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Do you know my success rate of getting second date if i asked to split a bill with a woman on the first date? 0.
It may be because I've (mostly) stayed away from dating apps and relied on actually meeting women, but a large number of the women I've dated have insisted in 'going dutch' / splitting the bill, even on first dates. That shouldn't be surprising given that most of the women I've been on dates with were roughly my peers. We were starving students when I was a starving student, an entry level worker when I was entry level, or well established when I was well established. A good percentage of them made / had as much, or more, income / money than me.

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to be a gentleman and offer to pay, or to spring for some "treats", or buy those drinks or that bottle of wine, or to generally plan (and pay for) an interesting time. But if you meet a peer in person they often won't expect you to pay, and some may be offended if you insist.

Dating app culture is toxic. It's where men go to have a job interview, and then try to trade food for sex. It's also where a certain class of woman will treat a certain class of man as a meal plan. At that point it's better cut the bullshit dance and just hire a (reputable) escort. Or to meet women who are your actual peers in the wild.

(I avoid sugar babies for similar reasons. That just sounds like it has a huge potential to be messy, and involves people who are largely kidding themselves about being and seeing sex workers.)

TL;DR: Either try to meet peers in the wild, or see escorts. Everything else is bullshit. ;)
 

BigRed77

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Sooo...

this is a bit embarrassing to admit, but I am at a point where I am looking for any kind of advice. This is not easy for me to admit and talk about, so I’d appreciate it if jokes and sly comments are just not made.

As I’ve mentioned in other threads, the past couple of years (especially the last 10 months) have been extremely difficult for me. I have had many losses over that time and I went from being healthy and stable to fighting for everything. im not gonna go into full details on things but many years ago while I was away from partaking in this a industry, I found my fiancé cheating. This was followed by my best friend passing away. Since then my health has gone to shit with some serious issues but has since been corrected. I have/had been fighting with depression, stress and anxiety through majority of all this. With the health issues I had gain weight from the medication. This was all followed up with me losing my job due to cuts, my car breaking down and having issues with my home- eventually having to move. Then you can pile on other close family deaths in there.

I have always been a prideful person. Always been able to find the best in people and things and have always carried my myself with a certain confidence you need to in life. But lately I just don’t have anymore. I am not happy with my appearance, I have completely lost my confidence to meet and interact with people. My self esteem is probably the lowest it’s ever been in my life. I don’t know how to approach or pick up women anymore I’ve been partaking in this industry on and off for a long time. Now with my lack of confidence and self esteem, I am worried about going on dates in general as I don’t think I have anything to offer. I feel awkward now being around women as I don’t really know what I have to offer them - in both civie and SPs settings. I’m not the best looking guy, especially with the weight gain. I don’t have money to spend on long dates, expensive restaurants and big gifts. I don’t have that charm and spark I use to. I’m a shell of myself. Those that know me and providers that have met me over the years would attest that that’s not me. I’m someone who was once happy to be in a social setting. Now I feel awkward, out of place and don’t know what to do. As much as I enjoy this industry, seeing ladies, and contributing to this forum, i haven’t been on many dates lately as I feel I am wasting both mine and the provider‘s time and wasting money. My lack of confidence and esteem has stopped me from booking.

To many this may be me being soft and some guys on here are gonna tell me I need to man up. I am just looking for advice on how to do so? I feel crippled like this and want to get back to just being me.

Slick
I've gone through something similar in that since 2017, I'm a "shell" of myself. I never had high confidence or self esteem to begin with, but even less after a particular relationship I had went south. Combined with weight gain in the years after, it doesn't help at all. I believe everyone is different, but in my case and my advice is just take time for yourself, as much as you need. Focus on other interests and likes (that don't cost you anything) until you feel more like yourself again. It may take some time. In my case it was years. Even now still not my old self, but much better than I was.
 

Robert Mugabe

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I agree with you about the quality of therapists.

I have found that a huge number of them are more or less failures in their own personal life, and I am talking relationships, moods, the EXACT kind of thing that they are spouting advice about.

The main purpose of therapists could well be posited as "to make you continue to see therapists".

And don't forget - they all can have radically different approaches!
I can't remember who it was, but a celebrity mentioned a therapist they were seeing who took their own life.
 

philonius

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There’s no one-size-fits-all cure for depression and/or mental and physical health woes but trying to devalue the advice of medical professionals who’ve spent the bulk of their life in the pursuit of knowledge about it isn’t smart or helpful.

@SlickRickBBD, you’ve got a bunch of good recommendations here but the real help is out there. Your family doctor (or really any doc) can help connect you to people who can and will help if you’re struggling to get out of the funk.

Good luck, brother
 

Muchadoaboutnothing

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I second this.

Maybe online communities aren’t the place to seek help.

Sometimes I think the most effective thing is to stare another human being in the face, in person, and talk to them openly about what’s going on. Maybe this is someone in your life, maybe it’s a stranger. But find someone to be a human being with/beside/alongside and bare yourself to them.

This may be a therapist. I’ve seen one for 8+ years. It helps immensely. It is expensive.

I have gone through ups-and-downs. Receding into yourself is a recipe for disaster. You become an echo chamber for your own misery. Therapy is a long and winding road, and it doesn’t yield immediate results, but long is the way, and hard, that up from Hell leads back to Salvation.

You are your own prison warden. Once you learn to sit with your truths, clarity will come: you’ll find the rest of the world to be much more forgiving (even if it’s not forgiving at all) than you have the capacity to be when at your worst.

Many people have said things, here. A lot of it has been useful. To that I’ll add the following:

1) Look for things that inspire awe. Something to remind you that there are more important things, bigger things, than you. For me, that started when I began going to Mass, again. Not because I believe in dogma, but because you sit in a quiet place and listen to a homily and reflect on what we all experience while listening to nice music and absorbing the art and architecture around you.

Art is also a great escape. Go to a gallery. Be in public places by yourself where you can quietly observe beauty. Use these moments to get comfortable being with yourself and sitting in your own skin.

2) Avoid substances. I was at my worst when wallowing in self-pity, using drugs and alcohol as a way to numb my self-awareness and self-consciousness. This applies to other addictions, porn and gambling for example

3) Fitness is great. If you can combine that with an activity you enjoy and you can measure getting better at, all the better. But I have never enjoyed being physical more than when I engage in an activity that allows me to meditate and work out my angst and anger. Swimming does that for me. Floating and flying aren’t that far off.

4) Talk to people. Strike up conversations. It’s great practice and even if it’s hard, you’ll find you get more and more comfortable being outside your comfort zone. Socializing becomes easier over time. Don’t think too much about what you say or how you respond. Be kind to yourself, and allow yourself to take a moment to think and express without feeling rushed or judged. Speak with intent. Learn to listen.

One of my favourite things to do is sit in a sauna with a bunch of other men and just shoot the shit. I go to a downtown Y. At night, you get a mix of guys, some in their 70s, some in their 20s, and everywhere in between. Talk to them. Talk about nice, PG shit.

Recently, some old guy started wearing a wool cap into the sauna. We started talking about how that helps extend the duration you can stay in there. That lead to talking about hair growth, somehow. Then organic shampoo. Then the fall of the Berlin Wall. ~15 sweaty guys just bullshitting and laughing and I don’t think I knew any of their names. I left feeling happy and connected.

Do things like this. It will help. I promise you. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Paradise is not lost.
Also read paradise lost by John Milton
 
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ragnar0829

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Brother I hear you, had my own setbacks over the past few years, job, relationships, health etc, if you read through it sounds like many have these in common, not just you

So first off, you are NOT alone with this, you are one of many who get what you're going through

Best advice here is to share with your family dr., some, like mine, have OHIP funded therapists who you could try, as mentioned you need to click with one but it is a start

Next, there are so many things wrong, you probably feel overwhelmed and don't know where to start, best idea, write them down and circle what is within your sphere of control, this is important, YOU need to be able to exert control of some kind on some thing

Pick one of these that seems the easiest, example your weight, forget the rest for now, start with something super easy, go for a 5 minute walk, go to the gym, even if you just walk in and look around at first, here is the science, if you start with easy measurable goals and are successful then moving to higher goals and continuing is easier

Maybe after a couple of weeks, you eat one healthy meal a day, walk 10 minutes, go to the gym and do a machine or lift a weight or two, you see my point , it builds confidence and elevates your mood

The rest, dating etc, fuck it for now, work on you first, good luck man and GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR!!
 

Adamxx

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It is part of the journey. Lots of great advice, and feedback posted, not all may bring the results you want , as we are all individuals, however, you will learn and should advance from each experiment, as life for me is a journey of experiments and incremental ”gains”.

A few items that helped me, it does take time, seek low hanging fruits, example, spent time in the kitchen which assisted in healthy eating ( most of the time), some lucky lady will appreciate it and it helps the budget.

Met with some old school mates, after many years , and realized, there were others in the same boat, or who had passed through it and came out smiling and in a better place.

I personally don’t believe in chemicals (drugs), or so called specialists. You indicated you were happy and liked yourself. An excellent start, surely you have, not had, have great skills and wisdom based on the past, apply what you have learnt .

Regarding your fiancé, as someone indicated, lucky you, don’t let someone else (her) control how you live.

Take care and remember how to smile at and with your self, nothing last forever.
 

surgeon 1936

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Sounds like you need to heal your mind and your body. Focus on getting healthy and put the hobby on hold. Definitely try therapy. The hardest part is seeking help. You've already taken the first step by looking for help here, but I'd suggest more formal counseling. Set some small realistic goals and cross them off your list as you go. Baby steps.
i can see that you like to teach, mentor everyone. You have better look at yourself. Looks like that only you need treatment. Sorry to say
 

HungSowel

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You can run your body on negative emotions to achieve things that you could not otherwise. If you are young then you can run on that type of fuel and get to a much better place. If you are older then running that type of fuel is an early grave.
 

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franci

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i can see that you like to teach, mentor everyone. You have better look at yourself. Looks like that only you need treatment. Sorry to say
Lol! Dude, don't you have enough people to stalk. Now you are here going through my post history. Just so you can sleep better, I'll let you know that I'm doing just fine.

I'll be sure to say hi to Amber and Aaliyah for you.
 

surgeon 1936

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Lol! Dude, don't you have enough people to stalk. Now you are here going through my post history. Just so you can sleep better, I'll let you know that I'm doing just fine.

I'll be sure to say hi to Amber and Aaliyah for you.
Hey friend. you are more than wellcome to say hi to Amber and Aaliyah. People are talking about Aaliyah that she changed since she came back from US,that's why i am still thinking to see or not to see her. Regarding Amber, i am respecting her choice, i am not going to open up here and engage in convo who is right or wrong but by the end of the day those girls always coming back if they need something, the big question if i will be there for her like before. I can reasure you that my night sleep is very good. Good night
 
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