Keto diet for fat loss

Big Rig

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My go to drink to satiate is psyllium fibre, whey protein, pure cocoa and cinnamon heated up like coffee
then I wait 20 minutes for hunger go away after slowly drinking



My go to snack is lots of fried spinach with egg white.
If I am very hungry I use whole egg which adds calories but has more protein and fats which satiate hunger better


other very low calorie snacks that stop hunger

bone broth

canned tuna salad

Fermented sauerkraut and kimchi (fermented veggies) but they must be in fridge section.
If it is on store shelf it has been pasteurized. Look for live cultures on label


Fermented foods are one of the oldest foods for gut health and satiety that our society ignores.
 
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Overall the evidence strongly asserts that almost all diets/plans eventually cause weight to come roaring back and re-acquired, and then some.

Your hormones WILL WIN out. Hormones control almost everything in your body, and you literally cannot out-last them.

And it makes zero sense! Why should a healthy life involve fighting your urges to eat? Animals don't do that. WE are doing something wrong to our hormones to create this issue. It is a problem of modern life, not willpower.

People in big cities are invariably on average slimmer than people in suburbia. They walk more, not as an act of will, but out of necessity.

Calorie counting doesn't work over the long run, because your body fights back, and then you have a moving target.

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Calorie counting often fails because our bodies are dynamic, complex biological systems, not simple calculators. While a calorie deficit is physically necessary for fat loss, strictly logging numbers routinely misses the mark due to built-in margin errors, metabolic changes, and psychological burnout. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Why the Math Fails in Real Life
  • Inaccurate Labels: By law, food manufacturers have up to a 20% margin of error on nutrition labels. A documented 500-calorie snack could easily be 600 calories. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Variable Absorption: Your body does not absorb 100% of the calories you swallow. For example, the Harvard Health Publishing insights note that a complex food matrix—like whole almonds—passes through your digestive system partially unabsorbed. You absorb far fewer calories from them than from smooth almond butter. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Metabolic Adaptation: When you sharply restrict food intake, your body fights back. Your resting metabolic rate drops, and you unconsciously decrease non-exercise movement like fidgeting to protect your energy stores. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Hormonal Overdrive: Drastic calorie cuts trigger a massive spike in your hunger hormone, ghrelin, while crashing satiety hormones like GLP-1. This creates overwhelming biological cravings that make long-term compliance nearly impossible. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The last point is crucial.
Thx for the research but slow down. Stop scaring people away from a great diet that is very easy and totally works beyond doubt

You are talking about very low calorie diet (VLCD), I am not on a VLCD


My hormones are not in crisis they are adapting not crashing


I have lost 30 pounds and have never been hungry. I have never been totally satiated like before the diet and I do walk around with small hunger feelings


I used to have snacks but no longer. If I get busy I just forget I am hungry, no biggie.

I was 235 went on keto dropped to 220 then came off diet. Two years later I was down to 210 with no rebound.

A few months ago I went back to diet and I am now 180

I have proved to myself the diet works , your hormones do not crash and you do not rebound
 
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''
In 1967, the New England Journal of Medicine published a literature review that reshaped how Americans ate for the next 50 years.

It was titled "Dietary Fats, Carbohydrates and Atherosclerotic Disease," and it concluded that saturated fat was the dietary culprit in heart disease.

Not sugar. Saturated fat.

Hence, the diet-heart hypothesis that governs much of modern nutritional thinking:

Saturated fat raises blood cholesterol, and blood cholesterol drives heart disease. Therefore, reducing saturated fat reduces heart disease.

The journal didn't disclose (and wasn't required to at the time) that the review had been funded by the Sugar Research Foundation (SRF), the trade association for the US sugar industry.

The SRF paid the equivalent of ~$48,000 in 2026 dollars to three Harvard nutrition scientists:

Frederick Stare (chair of Harvard Nutrition), D. Mark Hegsted (who’d later help write the first US Dietary Guidelines), and Robert McGandy.

According to internal industry documents uncovered by Cristin Kearns and her UCSF colleagues in 2016, the SRF hand-selected which studies the reviewers analyzed. Internal correspondence showed the industry communicating what they wanted the outcome to be. The Harvard scientists delivered it.

For five decades, doctors, dietitians, and government agencies built the case against animal fats — and the case for the low-fat, ultra-processed , seed-oil-enriched American diet — on top of that paper and the others that followed in its wake.

Now, the diet-heart hypothesis was accelerated by the 1967 review, but is itself older than that…


The strongest support came from Ancel Keys' Seven Countries Study, begun in 1958.

Keys tracked dietary patterns and cardiovascular outcomes across populations in Greece, Italy, the former Yugoslavia, the Netherlands, Finland, the United States, and Japan.

He found a correlation between saturated fat intake and heart disease, and that correlation became the empirical backbone of half a century of dietary policy.

However…

The Seven Countries Study was observational.

It compared whole populations, so it couldn't isolate saturated fat from everything else those populations ate (like sugar, refined grains, processed food, and alcohol) or from how they lived, smoked, worked, and slept.

When you compare countries to each other, you compare ways of life. Critics raised this at the time.

In 1957, before the Seven Countries Study had even begun, Jacob Yerushalmy and Herman Hilleboe published a methodological critique of Keys' earlier cross-country work. They pointed out that broader data showed weaker and less consistent associations than Keys' initial analyses suggested.

The critique was largely ignored. The hypothesis kept moving.

By 1977, the US Senate's McGovern Committee report recommended reducing saturated fat consumption.

By 1980, the first official US Dietary Guidelines made that recommendation national policy.

The UK followed in 1983. The American Heart Association followed shortly after.

The policy was built on observational data, industry-influenced reviews, and a methodological framework that couldn't isolate cause from correlation. That was the foundation.

The randomized controlled trials, which are the kind of evidence required to actually establish causation, came later…


And they didn't validate the hypothesis.

A 2025 systematic review and meta-analysis published in JMA Journal pooled 9 randomized controlled trials with 13,532 participants.

The conclusion:

Saturated fat restriction did not produce significant reductions in cardiovascular mortality (RR 0.94), all-cause mortality (RR 1.01), myocardial infarction (RR 0.85), or coronary artery events (RR 0.85).

Earlier meta-analyses found similar things.

A 2022 review by Valk and colleagues concluded there was no conclusive link between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular risk.

A meta-analysis by Harcombe and colleagues across seven cohort studies and roughly 90,000 participants found no significant difference in coronary heart disease mortality based on saturated fat intake.

Across more than two dozen meta-analyses and systematic reviews now in the literature, the consistent finding is that the diet-heart hypothesis — saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease — isn't supported by the level of evidence required to enforce it as universal policy.

The science required to back the dietary guidelines, it turns out, was never assembled.

The guidelines remain in place anyway.


I’ve trained inside this system. My father was a doctor, too. The advice he passed to his patients came directly from these guidelines.

He wasn't lying to anyone, though.

He was repeating what his training told him was settled science.

The system trains brilliant, well-meaning people to repeat a consensus built on a paper, paid for by an industry, using a methodology that couldn't support the conclusion in the first place.

By the time the original premise was seriously questioned, three generations of doctors had already built their practices on top of it.

This is what I mean when I say the system isn't the people. The people inside it are mostly trying to help.

So if saturated fat isn't what we should have been focusing on, what is?


The newer markers tell a much more accurate story…

ApoB is the most important. It measures the number of atherogenic particles (the ones that drive arterial plaque buildup) in your blood. The 2019 European Society of Cardiology guidelines and the 2024 National Lipid Association consensus both concluded that ApoB is a more accurate cardiovascular risk marker than LDL cholesterol.

A 2025 review found 9 of 9 discordance studies showed ApoB outperforms LDL-C. When ApoB and LDL-C disagree on risk, the actual events track with ApoB.

Triglyceride/HDL ratio is one of the simplest and most informative insulin resistance markers.

A ratio above 2 (in American units) suggests metabolic dysfunction. Below 1.5 is good. This is on almost every standard panel and almost nobody uses it.

Fasting insulin is rarely measured in standard panels but tells you more about metabolic health than fasting glucose.

By the time fasting glucose is elevated, insulin resistance has usually been compensating for years.

Lp(a) is genetically determined and an independent cardiovascular risk factor. Many cardiologists don't test for it.

These are the markers that matter. The cholesterol panel your doctor runs yearly mostly measures the wrong thing.


Here's what to do with this information:
Get the right tests. ApoB, triglyceride/HDL ratio, fasting insulin, Lp(a), and hs-CRP (an inflammation marker) tell far more about your cardiovascular trajectory than total cholesterol. Most labs run them on request. Insurance won't often cover them, but they're inexpensive out of pocket.

Eat real food. Single-ingredient, animal-based foundation. Ruminant meat, organs, eggs, dairy if tolerated, fruit, raw honey, seasonal vegetables you tolerate well. This is what humans evolved to eat. The body recognizes it. The cardiovascular biomarkers respond to it.

Cut the actual drivers. Seed oils (canola, soybean, corn, sunflower, safflower) and ultra-processed foods are the dietary inputs most strongly associated with metabolic dysfunction. They drive insulin resistance, inflammation, and the apoB particle elevations that actually predict events.

Move your insulin sensitivity. Resistance training, sleep, time-restricted eating, walking. The mechanism that's broken in most cardiovascular disease is metabolic, not lipid-specific. Address the metabolism and the lipids follow.


The 1967 paper that started this is the foundation of dietary guidelines still in place today.
The science required to defend it was never built. The science that did get built tells a different story.

You don't have to fear animal foods.''

Paul Saladino
Really interesting documentaries.

 
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Carbonaut bread has 150 calories per 2 slices and they do the trick of small slices to fool you

Even though it is very low carb I just ignore all bread while on keto
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Here you go, bread with lots of protein..

 

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Egg white wraps are now available for keto lovers


Very low calorie and carbs and high in protein

MAKE THEM Yourself with cornstarch as a binder or xanthan gum and fiber just flip like a crepe also add cottage cheese as a binder
I love egg whites, but I find eating them by themselves I'm not a big fan of. I like to put at least one large egg and combine it with 100 or so grams of egg whites just so I still have the flavour of egg when I'm having my breakfast. It's still low calorie and has very nice protein, that being said I wonder how it'd be with the egg white wraps you're talking about 😂
 
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I love egg whites, but I find eating them by themselves I'm not a big fan of. I like to put at least one large egg and combine it with 100 or so grams of egg whites just so I still have the flavour of egg when I'm having my breakfast. It's still low calorie and has very nice protein, that being said I wonder how it'd be with the egg white wraps you're talking about 😂
Think of vendors selling sausages. Use the egg white wrap instead of bun.

I top lower calorie chicken sausage or extra lean hamburger with sauerkraut and hot mustard

550 calories are now 200
 

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Yeah, that sounds kind of good actually. I generally get around 1200-1500 calories a day nowadays with meal prep so I don't NEED to lower my calorie intake but lower carb intake wouldn't be bad.
 

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July 19 weight is new low of 178 :)

I was stuck in low 180s for weeks

Do not know if this will continue or if my body is saying you have reached the weight you need to be at but I got my fingers crossed that I am not losing muscle :oops:
 
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July 19 weight is new low of 178 :)

I was stuck in low 180s for weeks

Do not know if this will continue or if my body is saying you have reached the weight you need to be at but I got my fingers crossed that I am not losing muscle :oops:

If you're eating enough protein, maintaining a sensible calorie deficit, and continuing to weight train, muscle loss shouldn't be much of a concern. A temporary plateau followed by another drop is completely normal.

And don't fall for the endless stream of supplements promising to "preserve muscle" or "boost fat loss." Most are little more than expensive marketing. Consistent nutrition, progressive resistance training, adequate sleep, and patience will do far more than the vast majority of supplements ever will.
 

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July 19 weight is new low of 178 :)

I was stuck in low 180s for weeks

Do not know if this will continue or if my body is saying you have reached the weight you need to be at but I got my fingers crossed that I am not losing muscle :oops:
congrats my man, thats sick
 

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Thx for the research but slow down. Stop scaring people away from a great diet that is very easy and totally works beyond doubt

You are talking about very low calorie diet (VLCD), I am not on a VLCD


My hormones are not in crisis they are adapting not crashing


I have lost 30 pounds and have never been hungry. I have never been totally satiated like before the diet and I do walk around with small hunger feelings


I used to have snacks but no longer. If I get busy I just forget I am hungry, no biggie.

I was 235 went on keto dropped to 220 then came off diet. Two years later I was down to 210 with no rebound.

A few months ago I went back to diet and I am now 180

I have proved to myself the diet works , your hormones do not crash and you do not rebound
You make a good point that I totally agree with - going slow. No massive deficit.

If you go fast - well, those violent delights can have violent ends, to quote an acquaintance of mine from high school...
 

KingMus

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If you're eating enough protein, maintaining a sensible calorie deficit, and continuing to weight train, muscle loss shouldn't be much of a concern. A temporary plateau followed by another drop is completely normal.

And don't fall for the endless stream of supplements promising to "preserve muscle" or "boost fat loss." Most are little more than expensive marketing. Consistent nutrition, progressive resistance training, adequate sleep, and patience will do far more than the vast majority of supplements ever will.
this has happened to me twice and it's so disheartening when it happens the plateau i mean, then when you get over it you start seeing the pounds fall off, the important thing is to absolutely just stick with it because looking at that scale and seeing no change can lead to bad decisions for sure
 
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this has happened to me twice and it's so disheartening when it happens the plateau i mean, then when you get over it you start seeing the pounds fall off, the important thing is to absolutely just stick with it because looking at that scale and seeing no change can lead to bad decisions for sure

Weight loss shouldn't be viewed as a short-term goal; it should be a sustainable lifestyle for the long haul.

If you consistently stay within your calorie target and do some form of regular weight training exercise (including cardio), your body composition will improve over time. Plateaus are normal, but consistency wins.

The biggest mistake people make is treating a diet as something with an end date. If you go back to the same eating habits that caused the weight gain in the first place, there's a good chance the weight will come back too. The goal isn't just to lose the weight; it's to build habits you can maintain for life.
 

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Weight loss shouldn't be viewed as a short-term goal; it should be a sustainable lifestyle for the long haul.
This is one of the main things I've noticed fitness "influencers" fail to remind their audience of time and time again. It's one thing to lose the weight which depending on lifestyle choices and your body in general might take a while, it's another thing entirely to keep it off for good.
 
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