You always 'dum' it down, like the idea of smoking mushrooms.
This is the Canada I love
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Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you? No,no, you must have missed my previous post. Feel free to circle back and read. It really is a great way to get smarter. If you're into that sort of thing. Once again for the people in the back. When you initiate mass immigration into a system that is already bursting at the seams it causes the system to collapse. Immigration is federal. Let me know if you want me to include pics to help you understand. lol
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Did you even read the report? Like, beyond the headline where you jump to conclusions? The issue is because many older people have significantly more complex medical issues than say, a broken wrist. I'd invite you to read the whole article, but it would probably take away from your finger painting time.
You need a new family doctor. I can call up today and see him by tomorrow at the latest.....
Here you go, my "salty" friend...just in case it's needed.
Immigrant free website....
ER Watch - Real-Time Ontario Emergency Room Wait Times
Find the fastest emergency room in Ontario with real-time ER wait times. Compare wait times across 140+ hospitals updated every 15 minutes. Free, accurate, and always up-to-date.
www.er-watch.ca
OH, I get is, your point is immigrants are bad. OK. 'Nuff said.
While immigration isn't bad, mass immigration without taking into account infrastructure needs both in housing and services, and unforeseen things that can come up, like say a PANDEMIC, and wars, is very bad policy.
Part of the problem is a larger influx of people. We are starting to mitigate that partially by sending some "students" back. But in reality its just going to take time. And money, and better policy.
Yes. And immigrants are not the ones flooding hospitals.
They are young and healthy and do not need the care that boomers do.
Yes, I usually am.
ICES | Newcomer children show lower rates of emergency department use for non‑urgent conditions, study finds
Refugee and immigrant children are less likely to visit the emergency department for minor illnesses compared to children born in Ontario.
www.ices.on.ca
The immigrant effect: factors impacting use of primary and emergency department care - a Canadian population cross-sectional study - PubMed
In a Canadian population without a primary care physician, immigrants are less likely to use the emergency department as a primary access point for care than Canadian-born respondents. However, this effect is independent of previously reported social and economic factors that impact use of...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The "healthy immigrant" effect:
Not shorter lives, just fewer of them. And, yes, the birthrate will continue to drop. Kids are too expensive and a pain in the ass. Even recent immigrants who are used to large families will catch on to this concept. Just like the Irish did. The fact is there is a huge chunk of people who are reaching the age where they will need the most care. They are also paying less tax than they used to. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going to happen. Thank God for MAID.
From AI ...
The relationship between mass immigration and Canada's health care system involves complex challenges related to infrastructure capacity, resource allocation, and systemic strain. Critics, provincial leaders, and health policy analysts point out several key negative effects that high volume immigration has on health care delivery.
Increased Strain on Primary Care and Emergency Services
Family Doctor Shortages: Canada faces a severe shortage of primary care providers. Adding large volumes of newcomers exacerbates this crisis, leaving both long-term residents and new immigrants without access to a regular family doctor.
Emergency Room Overcrowding: Without a family doctor, many newcomers rely on hospital emergency rooms for non-urgent, routine medical needs. This contributes directly to longer ER wait times and hospital overcrowding.
Surgical and Diagnostic Backlogs: The rapid expansion of the patient base places additional demand on specialized services, extending the waitlists for elective surgeries, specialist consultations, and diagnostic imaging like MRIs and CT scans.
Infrastructure and Per-Capita Funding Mismatches
Lagging Infrastructure Growth: Population growth from immigration often outpaces the construction of new hospitals and clinics, meaning the physical infrastructure of the health system fails to keep pace with demand.
Diluted Per-Capita Spending: Health care in Canada is funded publicly and managed provincially. When population influxes outpace tax revenue adjustments or provincial budget transfers, the amount of health care dollars available per person effectively.
Geographic Imbalances: Immigrants heavily concentrate in major metropolitan areas, such as the Greater Toronto Area or Metro Vancouver. This regional concentration creates intense localized pressure on urban hospital networks compared to rural areas.
Administrative and Specific Care Pressures
Language and Communication Barriers: Treating patients with limited English or French proficiency requires professional interpretation services. This increases both the administrative costs and the time required per patient visit.
Complex Diagnostic Needs: Newcomers may arrive with conditions less common in Canada, such as specific infectious diseases, malnutrition, or severe psychological trauma from conflict zones. Managing these conditions requires specialized, resource-intensive care.
The "Healthy Immigrant Effect" Erosion: While new immigrants are often healthier than the general Canadian population upon arrival due to strict medical screening, data shows their health status typically declines and converges with Canadian averages after a few years. This creates a delayed, long-term wave of demand on the medical system.
Systemic Responses and Policy Adjustments
The strain on public services has prompted significant policy shifts. For example, federal immigration targets were adjusted to curb temporary resident volumes specifically to ease pressure on health care and housing. Additionally, the introduction of co-payments under the Interim Federal Health Program (IFHP) reflects government efforts to financially manage the growing demands placed on newcomer-specific health benefits.
Reddit Discussion Thread
The relationship between mass immigration and Canada's health care system involves complex challenges related to infrastructure capacity, resource allocation, and systemic strain. Critics, provincial leaders, and health policy analysts point out several key negative effects that high volume immigration has on health care delivery.
Increased Strain on Primary Care and Emergency Services
Family Doctor Shortages: Canada faces a severe shortage of primary care providers. Adding large volumes of newcomers exacerbates this crisis, leaving both long-term residents and new immigrants without access to a regular family doctor.
Emergency Room Overcrowding: Without a family doctor, many newcomers rely on hospital emergency rooms for non-urgent, routine medical needs. This contributes directly to longer ER wait times and hospital overcrowding.
Surgical and Diagnostic Backlogs: The rapid expansion of the patient base places additional demand on specialized services, extending the waitlists for elective surgeries, specialist consultations, and diagnostic imaging like MRIs and CT scans.
Infrastructure and Per-Capita Funding Mismatches
Lagging Infrastructure Growth: Population growth from immigration often outpaces the construction of new hospitals and clinics, meaning the physical infrastructure of the health system fails to keep pace with demand.
Diluted Per-Capita Spending: Health care in Canada is funded publicly and managed provincially. When population influxes outpace tax revenue adjustments or provincial budget transfers, the amount of health care dollars available per person effectively.
Geographic Imbalances: Immigrants heavily concentrate in major metropolitan areas, such as the Greater Toronto Area or Metro Vancouver. This regional concentration creates intense localized pressure on urban hospital networks compared to rural areas.
Administrative and Specific Care Pressures
Language and Communication Barriers: Treating patients with limited English or French proficiency requires professional interpretation services. This increases both the administrative costs and the time required per patient visit.
Complex Diagnostic Needs: Newcomers may arrive with conditions less common in Canada, such as specific infectious diseases, malnutrition, or severe psychological trauma from conflict zones. Managing these conditions requires specialized, resource-intensive care.
The "Healthy Immigrant Effect" Erosion: While new immigrants are often healthier than the general Canadian population upon arrival due to strict medical screening, data shows their health status typically declines and converges with Canadian averages after a few years. This creates a delayed, long-term wave of demand on the medical system.
Systemic Responses and Policy Adjustments
The strain on public services has prompted significant policy shifts. For example, federal immigration targets were adjusted to curb temporary resident volumes specifically to ease pressure on health care and housing. Additionally, the introduction of co-payments under the Interim Federal Health Program (IFHP) reflects government efforts to financially manage the growing demands placed on newcomer-specific health benefits.
Reddit Discussion Thread
You are right.
The wait times at ERs are due to a lack of long term care beds forcing seniors to stay in hospital beds, combined with a severe shortage of ER nursing staff.
The wait times for family doctors are due to "idle doctors" meaning internationally trained physicians who work in survival jobs rather than in their actual fields, even though Canada already has a shortage.
The problem goes way back and probably the most significant was in the late 70s when Trudeau cut Federal health care transferr payments from 37% of the cost to the provinces to 22% which has left the provinces scrambling ever since.
Not just the Liberals but Bob Raes NDP Ontario government cut medical school spaces by 10% in the 1990s.
Pure lunacy as we all know it can take up to 10 years for a first year student to become a specialist and only a few less years for a family doctor to go into practice.
It also didn't help when Kathleen Wyenne further cut medical school spaces even though at the time there was 800,000 Ontario citizens without a family doctor and as anyone knows they don't become doctors overnight..
Another short sighted move by a liberal government.
Also in the last 10 years we have had approximately 4,000,000 immigrants come into the country and guess what ?
the majority of them come to Ontario so little wonder the crisis hasnt went away
That is another Federal Liberal government doing in that....
Recently they have let so many in without a clear plan that they couldn't even provide adequate housing for the influx or jobs , yet alone health care .
There is hope as they have reduced immigration totals for upcoming years.
Its just sad that they place votes over reality but I guess thats politics.
The other problems noted above were just short sighted moves by incompetent governments.
Ford has added more medical school spaces and has cleared roadblocks facing international doctors from practicing in Ontario.
We still are underserved as approx. 2 million Ontario residents do not have a family doctor and while its down from 2.5 million its still very much a problem.
It is very easy to test who is responsible for the current poor state of healthcare. If some provinces are doing great while others are doing poorly, provinces are to blame. If most of the provinces are doing poorly, then it is the federal government's fault. Now, can anyone tell us which Canadian provinces have great medical care with low ER room waiting, no shortage of family doctors, and no long waits to see a specialist?
Then why are they allowed to sponsor their elderly parents? Shouldn't we take only the young and healthy?
Actually it wasn't as ridiculous as having to book 5 weeks in advance
to get treatment from the doctor. The 5 week appointment I booked
was for requisition of various medical testing which wasn't deemed
to be urgently by the clinic. Had I caught a flu I would have waited
only 2 or 3 days. I guess your family physician just isn't always fully
booked days if not weeks in advance like mine. And I don't think I
can just switch to a new family doctor. General practitioners accepting
new patients is now a rarity.
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