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So as a Jew, and not being fully educated on the tenets of Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism, please educate me on the following:

Original Sin - was it due to Adam and Exe "eating the forbidden fruit" and having sex?
If so, why is that sin inherited by all Catholics at their birth?

My theory, as far off as it may be, is that no Catholic can consider themselves to be free of sin, because of "original sin", and therefore require Jesus to be their savior, to forgive that "original sin" at the very least.

Confession - What sins do "confession" and "acts of contrition" absolve. Is it any and all sins, in the eyes of God and against other humans, or is it only sins in the eyes of God?

In Judaism, on our annual "Day of Atonement", Yom Kippur, observant Jews pray, and fast for 24 hours, in the hope of being forgiven by God for all sins committed due to not following His rules.
We are not absolved of sins committed against other humans.

Questions that keep me up at night...
 
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xmontrealer said:
So as a Jew, and not being fully educated on the tenets of Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism, please educate me on the following:

Original Sin - was it due to Adam and Exe "eating the forbidden fruit" and having sex?
If so, why is that sin inherited by all Catholics at their birth?

My theory, as far off as it may be, is that no Catholic can consider themselves to be free of sin, because of "original sin", and therefore require Jesus to be their savior, to forgive that "original sin" at the very least.

Confession - What sins do "confession" and "acts of contrition" absolve. Is it any and all sins, in the eyes of God and against other humans, or is it only sins in the eyes of God?

In Judaism, on our annual "Day of Atonement", Yom Kippur, observant Jews pray, and fast for 24 hours, in the hope of being forgiven by God for all sins committed due to not following His rules.
We are not absolved of sins committed against other humans.

Questions that keep me up at night...
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I wish that I had a sensible answer for you

all I know is that if Adam and Eve were Chinese

they would kill the snake and eat it

we would all be better off

btw: I think the apple was from the tree of "knowledge of good and evil"

not really about sex

"Their banishment also served as a protective measure

to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life and living forever in a fallen state."
 
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xmontrealer said:
So as a Jew, and not being fully educated on the tenets of Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism, please educate me on the following:

Original Sin - was it due to Adam and Exe "eating the forbidden fruit" and having sex?
If so, why is that sin inherited by all Catholics at their birth?

My theory, as far off as it may be, is that no Catholic can consider themselves to be free of sin, because of "original sin", and therefore require Jesus to be their savior, to forgive that "original sin" at the very least.

Confession - What sins do "confession" and "acts of contrition" absolve. Is it any and all sins, in the eyes of God and against other humans, or is it only sins in the eyes of God?

In Judaism, on our annual "Day of Atonement", Yom Kippur, observant Jews pray, and fast for 24 hours, in the hope of being forgiven by God for all sins committed due to not following His rules.
We are not absolved of sins committed against other humans.

Questions that keep me up at night...
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Original sin is tied to being cast out of the Garden of Eden (not just in Roman Catholic, but also Orthodox and Protestant traditions) but exactly what that means varies a bit in traditions.
It isn't so much that you are born sinful as that you are born out of grace with God. When in Eden, humans would have been already in communion with God and righteous and so on.
That default state is gone due to the original sin. So now humans are mortal, weak, prone to sin, and without God's grace cannot fix themselves. (And they don't have it by default.)

It's more complicated than that because people have been arguing details for several hundred years, but it's basically a consequence.
It's like someone being homeless because their parents lost the house. They didn't do anything wrong, but they still don't have a place to stay.

Confession absolves the sins you confessed. It's between you and God.
If I recall, in the atonement tradition you are supposed to get forgiveness from people before asking God, but the Catholic approach doesn't require that (since people might not forgive you).
But confession doesn't get rid of the damage you did and if you don't do any attempts at restitution you probably aren't really repenting.
 
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xmontrealer said:
So as a Jew, and not being fully educated on the tenets of Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism, please educate me on the following:

Original Sin - was it due to Adam and Exe "eating the forbidden fruit" and having sex?
If so, why is that sin inherited by all Catholics at their birth?

My theory, as far off as it may be, is that no Catholic can consider themselves to be free of sin, because of "original sin", and therefore require Jesus to be their savior, to forgive that "original sin" at the very least.

Confession - What sins do "confession" and "acts of contrition" absolve. Is it any and all sins, in the eyes of God and against other humans, or is it only sins in the eyes of God?

In Judaism, on our annual "Day of Atonement", Yom Kippur, observant Jews pray, and fast for 24 hours, in the hope of being forgiven by God for all sins committed due to not following His rules.
We are not absolved of sins committed against other humans.

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Wouldn't lose sleep over any of it. Catholic priests molesting children don't seem to worry too much seeing as absolution is a quick repentance, a change of diocese and a few hail Mary's away. It is all made up, unless proven otherwise. Regarding your people, the Germans seem to have weathered the storm of atonement quite nicely.
 
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Valcazar said:
Original sin is tied to being cast out of the Garden of Eden (not just in Roman Catholic, but also Orthodox and Protestant traditions) but exactly what that means varies a bit in traditions.
It isn't so much that you are born sinful as that you are born out of grace with God. When in Eden, humans would have been already in communion with God and righteous and so on.
That default state is gone due to the original sin. So now humans are mortal, weak, prone to sin, and without God's grace cannot fix themselves. (And they don't have it by default.)

It's more complicated than that because people have been arguing details for several hundred years, but it's basically a consequence.
It's like someone being homeless because their parents lost the house. They didn't do anything wrong, but they still don't have a place to stay.

Confession absolves the sins you confessed. It's between you and God.
If I recall, in the atonement tradition you are supposed to get forgiveness from people before asking God, but the Catholic approach doesn't require that (since people might not forgive you).
But confession doesn't get rid of the damage you did and if you don't do any attempts at restitution you probably aren't really repenting.
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Valcazar, as far as Yom Kippur, it seems you are at least partially correct. I just learned something new!

Copied and pasted from Chabad.org...
For on this day [Yom Kippur] He shall effect atonement for you to cleanse you. Before G‑d, you shall be cleansed from all your sins—Leviticus 16:30.
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On Yom Kippur, G‑d mercifully erases all the sins we have committed "before G‑d"—but not the sins we may have committed against our fellow man. If we really want to come out of this holy day completely clean, we need to first approach any individual whom we may have wronged and beg their forgiveness. This applies whether the offense was physical, emotional, or financial (in which case, seeking forgiveness is in addition to making appropriate monetary restitution).
Just as the offending individual is enjoined to sincerely seek forgiveness, so, too, the victim is expected to wholeheartedly forgive—provided he is assured that the plea for forgiveness is indeed sincere.
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  • It is proper to specify the wrongdoing for which you are seeking forgiveness—unless doing so would cause further embarrassment to the victim.
  • If the injured party refuses to grant forgiveness, try approaching him several times, each time in the company of a few friends (who can try to convince the victim of the sincerity of your intentions).
  • If it is impossible to contact this person, make a firm resolution to ask forgiveness, with plans to do so when the opportunity arises. G‑d considers this resolution as if forgiveness was asked.
  • If the individual whom you have wronged has since passed away, and the gravesite is in the vicinity, take a minyan of ten adult men to the gravesite (if possible) and beg forgiveness there. If the gravesite is not in the vicinity, you can appoint someone to go to the grave together with a minyan to ask for forgiveness on your behalf.
 
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xmontrealer said:
Valcazar, as far as Yom Kippur, it seems you are at least partially correct. I just learned something new!

Copied and pasted from Chabad.org...

On Yom Kippur, G‑d mercifully erases all the sins we have committed "before G‑d"—but not the sins we may have committed against our fellow man. If we really want to come out of this holy day completely clean, we need to first approach any individual whom we may have wronged and beg their forgiveness. This applies whether the offense was physical, emotional, or financial (in which case, seeking forgiveness is in addition to making appropriate monetary restitution).
Just as the offending individual is enjoined to sincerely seek forgiveness, so, too, the victim is expected to wholeheartedly forgive—provided he is assured that the plea for forgiveness is indeed sincere.
More Details:
  • It is proper to specify the wrongdoing for which you are seeking forgiveness—unless doing so would cause further embarrassment to the victim.
  • If the injured party refuses to grant forgiveness, try approaching him several times, each time in the company of a few friends (who can try to convince the victim of the sincerity of your intentions).
  • If it is impossible to contact this person, make a firm resolution to ask forgiveness, with plans to do so when the opportunity arises. G‑d considers this resolution as if forgiveness was asked.
  • If the individual whom you have wronged has since passed away, and the gravesite is in the vicinity, take a minyan of ten adult men to the gravesite (if possible) and beg forgiveness there. If the gravesite is not in the vicinity, you can appoint someone to go to the grave together with a minyan to ask for forgiveness on your behalf.
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Quit seeing hookers. That's a start!
 
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xmontrealer said:
No need to repent. There will be no judgement when I croak.

No heaven, no hell. Only maggots and fungi.

A nice, dreamless sleep, for eternity.

As Bob Dylan is reputed to have said: "When you die, they let you off the hook!"
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What the fuck does Bob Dylan know? How do you know you will be "let off the hook"? you may burn in hell for your sins.
 
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there is no good or bad in nature

it's all the same energy

sun shines equally on kittens and snakes

only our limited mind makes those distinctions

each one of us is just a part of the same life energy

live your life to the fullest, there is no heaven or hell

be true to yourself and enjoy this crazy ride

it will be over all too soon
 
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xmontrealer said:
So as a Jew, and not being fully educated on the tenets of Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism, please educate me on the following:

Original Sin - was it due to Adam and Exe "eating the forbidden fruit" and having sex?
If so, why is that sin inherited by all Catholics at their birth?

My theory, as far off as it may be, is that no Catholic can consider themselves to be free of sin, because of "original sin", and therefore require Jesus to be their savior, to forgive that "original sin" at the very least.

Confession - What sins do "confession" and "acts of contrition" absolve. Is it any and all sins, in the eyes of God and against other humans, or is it only sins in the eyes of God?
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ORIGINAL SIN: I had to look up the reference because I remember Richard Dawkins once making fun of this, but according to St Thomas Aquinas, "original sin of all men was in Adam indeed, as in its principal cause, according to the words of the Apostle (Romans 5:12): "In whom all have sinned": whereas it is in the bodily semen, as in its instrumental cause, since it is by the active power of the semen that original sin together with human nature is transmitted to the child."

So, there you have it -- and yes, you read that correctly; original sin is passed through semen.

Reading this stuff makes it so hard to take religion seriously, LOL

RE Confession, I am less sure about this, but I believe once a Catholic makes their confession, the priest assigns a penance, the person confessing the sin performs the penance, and they are then cleansed of the sin.
 
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xmontrealer said:
So as a Jew, and not being fully educated on the tenets of Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism, please educate me on the following:

Original Sin - was it due to Adam and Exe "eating the forbidden fruit" and having sex?
If so, why is that sin inherited by all Catholics at their birth?

My theory, as far off as it may be, is that no Catholic can consider themselves to be free of sin, because of "original sin", and therefore require Jesus to be their savior, to forgive that "original sin" at the very least.

Confession - What sins do "confession" and "acts of contrition" absolve. Is it any and all sins, in the eyes of God and against other humans, or is it only sins in the eyes of God?

In Judaism, on our annual "Day of Atonement", Yom Kippur, observant Jews pray, and fast for 24 hours, in the hope of being forgiven by God for all sins committed due to not following His rules.
We are not absolved of sins committed against other humans.

Questions that keep me up at night...
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If you want an honest and blunt answer, it’s this: Being a “Catholic”, I find the tenets of Catholicism insulting. A lot of what the church teaches is basically a moral code to keep the people in line. Followers buy into some of the more outlandish stuff (or at least, they have in the past) because they’re lemmings and can’t think for themselves.

That said, I feel what’s important are deeds, not beliefs. In other words, be a “good” person, help others as much as possible, and don’t hurt anyone - physically or emotionally. IMO, a lot better than going to church repeating meaningless phrases that you have no clue about. I bet if you asked a congregation who J’oshua Ben Yosef is, a lot of them wouldn’t be able to tell you. Also, a lot of people take things literally. They believe that “Satan” actually exists, when in fact the name comes from the Hebrew word Shatan which means the choice of evil - So, it’s the choice; Not the embodiment of…

I don’t think God actually cares about religion per se. If you’ve ever read about people who have had NDE’s (near death experience) you’ll find that their accounts are all quite similar: They’re given a life review and are shown how their actions (positive and negative) affected others. It seems that when the time comes, we judge ourselves. Needless to say, I don’t get too hung up on what the local preacher tells me! lol. 😝
 
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Adultery is the least of your problems. Repent while you still have time.
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Christ was doing Mary Magdalene who was said to offer pay for play according to the Bible and he ended up ok
 
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