L-Citrulline to Improve Firmness?

As a person who spent last 12 years at gym natural and on AAS, here is my take. If you have a lot of deposable income, sure go ahead and take L-Citrulline and peptides and what's not. However, the effect of these most things will be hardly ever noticed (except on your wallet).
The only 4 supplements you need are:
1. Whey Protein (if you protein intake is too low)
2. Creatine
3. Fish Oil
4. Multiviatamins
That's it. Everything else will have little to no effect.
As for AAS:
1. Test
2. D-bol
3. Anavar

Special shot out to cialis as a pre-workout for greater pumps (i'm not kidding) and lower BP.

squeezer said:

I would agree with you if you’re specifically targeting heavily processed carbs and overweight individuals dealing with erectile issues or metabolic syndrome. In that context, reducing excess junk carbs and improving overall diet can absolutely help.

But writing off all carbs is where I disagree. Oatmeal, potatoes, rice, fruit, and other whole food carb sources are not inherently harmful. The bigger issue is overall calorie intake, body composition, insulin resistance, and lifestyle habits, not simply “carbs = bad.”

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It's not an issue of "writing off carbs". It's that the vast majority of people in modern societies eat too many of them leading inevitably to blood sugar issues, metabolic issues and weight gain. Most people are not like you, ie eating minimal carbs.

It's not even controversial to say that getting off excess carbs leads to increased blood flow to your dick, especially since more and more prostate science is showing that excess carbs expand the prostate and restrict yummy flow.

yeahyeahyeah said:

All you have to do is check literally hundreds of immediately available examples on carnivore and keto boards. It doesn't take much work.

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Carnivore is one of the worst diets someone can follow long-term, in my opinion. Short term, sure, most people probably won’t see major issues right away, especially if they lose weight and cut out processed junk food. That alone can make people feel better temporarily.

But eliminating entire food groups like fruits, vegetables, legumes, and quality carbs long-term is not something I’d consider healthy or sustainable. You’re cutting out fiber, a wide range of micronutrients, and a lot of foods consistently associated with good long-term health outcomes.

Anecdotes from keto or carnivore forums are not the same thing as long-term scientific evidence. People also tend to confuse the benefits of losing weight and eating fewer ultra-processed foods with the idea that eating only meat is somehow optimal.

yeahyeahyeah said:

It's not an issue of "writing off carbs". It's that the vast majority of people in modern societies eat too many of them leading inevitably to blood sugar issues, metabolic issues and weight gain. Most people are not like you, ie eating minimal carbs.

It's not even controversial to say that getting off excess carbs leads to increased blood flow to your dick, especially since more and more prostate science is showing that excess carbs expand the prostate and restrict yummy flow.

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What's the old saying, "everything in moderation," that includes meat and protein.

Reduced carbohydrate intake can improve erectile function in men with high A1C, but usually indirectly: by improving blood glucose, insulin resistance, weight, blood pressure, triglycerides, and vascular function.

The strongest point is this: high A1C is associated with erectile dysfunction in type 2 diabetes, and worse glycemic control tends to mean worse erectile function. Studies in diabetic men have found higher HbA1c linked with ED, along with related issues like metabolic syndrome, hypertension, low HDL/high triglycerides, and depression.

The ADA says reducing overall carbohydrate intake has some of the strongest evidence for improving glycemia in people with diabetes, and low-carb patterns can be one valid option when matched to the person’s needs and medications.
There is also some direct evidence: a small randomized trial in men with metabolic syndrome/hypogonadism found that a low-carb diet improved erectile-function scores by about 2.4 points on the IIEF-5 scale. That is not a miracle cure, but it is a meaningful signal.

The important nuance: lower carb helps most when it lowers A1C and improves cardiovascular health. Erectile function depends heavily on blood-vessel function, nitric oxide signaling, nerve health, testosterone status, medication effects, sleep, stress, and blood pressure. If diabetes has already caused neuropathy or vascular damage, diet may help but may not fully reverse it.

A practical version would be: reduce refined carbs and sugars first, then consider a moderate lower-carb approach — for example, fewer grains/starches per meal, more protein, vegetables, olive oil, nuts, fish, eggs, yogurt, legumes if tolerated. Extreme keto is not automatically better, especially if it raises LDL cholesterol or is hard to sustain.
One warning: if someone is on insulin, sulfonylureas, or certain diabetes medications, dropping carbs quickly can cause low blood sugar, so medication may need adjusting with a clinician.

So the answer is: yes, very plausibly — but the target is not “low carb” by itself; the target is lower A1C, better vascular health, and improved metabolic function. For ED with high A1C, I’d think of carb reduction as one of the most useful foundational moves, alongside walking/resistance training, sleep, weight loss if needed, blood-pressure control, and medical treatment when appropriate.

squeezer said:

Carnivore is one of the worst diets someone can follow long-term, in my opinion. Short term, sure, most people probably won’t see major issues right away, especially if they lose weight and cut out processed junk food. That alone can make people feel better temporarily.

But eliminating entire food groups like fruits, vegetables, legumes, and quality carbs long-term is not something I’d consider healthy or sustainable. You’re cutting out fiber, a wide range of micronutrients, and a lot of foods consistently associated with good long-term health outcomes.

Anecdotes from keto or carnivore forums are not the same thing as long-term scientific evidence. People also tend to confuse the benefits of losing weight and eating fewer ultra-processed foods with the idea that eating only meat is somehow optimal.

The carnivore diet: why it’s not good for your health

Find out why this extreme meat diet, without any fruits or vegetables, can be harmful for your health.

www.bhf.org.uk

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I've spent two years studying carnivore. There is zero evidence that it has deleterious effects long term. We ate that way for roughly 100,000 years as grazing omnivores, so I think we're good. The fiber issue is bullshit, do your research, micronutrient issue, also bullshit. As to studies, there is only really one rock solid long term study of carnovore, and it's pretty favourable. Oh and hey, we ate mostly meat for quite a long time before farming became a thing

yeahyeahyeah said:

but the target is not “low carb” by itself; the target is lower A1C, better vascular health, and improved metabolic function

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This contradicts your whole point genius lol If i spend 5000kcal a day should i stop eating carbs? Maybe stop outsourcing your brain to Chat GPT...

yeahyeahyeah said:

I've spent two years studying carnivore. There is zero evidence that it has deleterious effects long term. We ate that way for roughly 100,000 years as grazing omnivores, so I think we're good. The fiber issue is bullshit, do your research, micronutrient issue, also bullshit. As to studies, there is only really one rock solid long term study of carnovore, and it's pretty favourable. Oh and hey, we ate mostly meat for quite a long time before farming became a thing

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Yes, and how long did our ancestors actually live? What was the average lifespan? Using prehistoric humans as the gold standard for optimal nutrition is not exactly convincing; it's rather silly and shows how misinformed you really are.

Also, early humans did not eat a strict carnivore diet year-round everywhere on Earth. They ate whatever was available, including plants, berries, roots, nuts, and seasonal carbohydrates. The idea that humans evolved eating only meat is massively oversimplified and once again misinformed.

And the fiber argument absolutely is not “bullshit.” Fiber is one of the most important components of a healthy diet for gut health, cholesterol regulation, blood sugar control, digestion, and long term cardiovascular health. There’s a reason virtually every major nutrition and medical organization recommends adequate fiber intake.

As for the studies, there is nowhere near enough long-term evidence showing that a strict carnivore diet is safe or optimal over decades. Most of the positive claims come from anecdotes and self-reported outcomes online, not robust long-term clinical data.

You’re confusing “some people feel better short term” with “this is proven healthy long term,” and those are two very different things.

yeahyeahyeah said:

Calories have no effect on health. That's a low IQ approach.

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So, if i eat 10,000kcal i will be in perfect health?Loool Or were you talking about yourself? If so, nice selfown, dude.

squeezer said:

Yes, and how long did our ancestors actually live? What was the average lifespan? Using prehistoric humans as the gold standard for optimal nutrition is not exactly convincing; it's rather silly and shows how misinformed you really are.

Also, early humans did not eat a strict carnivore diet year-round everywhere on Earth. They ate whatever was available, including plants, berries, roots, nuts, and seasonal carbohydrates. The idea that humans evolved eating only meat is massively oversimplified and once again misinformed.

And the fiber argument absolutely is not “bullshit.” Fiber is one of the most important components of a healthy diet for gut health, cholesterol regulation, blood sugar control, digestion, and long term cardiovascular health. There’s a reason virtually every major nutrition and medical organization recommends adequate fiber intake.

As for the studies, there is nowhere near enough long-term evidence showing that a strict carnivore diet is safe or optimal over decades. Most of the positive claims come from anecdotes and self-reported outcomes online, not robust long-term clinical data.

You’re confusing “some people feel better short term” with “this is proven healthy long term,” and those are two very different things.

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Yes we ate what was available but largely for hundreds of thousands of years we survived on ruminant animals, and occasionally berries and nuts.

Thousands of people on a carnivore diet long term would disagree with you about fiber. Nutritional and medical orgs are largely oriented around food groups and mainstream marketing, which leads invariably to ill health. C'mon.

Dude, we've eaten largely carnivore with intermittant berries and nuts for many at least 100,000 years. What are you talking about?

Forzafonz said:

So, if i eat 10,000kcal i will be in perfect health?Loool Or were you talking about yourself? If so, nice selfown, dude.

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Calorie intake is a ridiculous way to measure health in any way.

Well well, no lack of testosterone in this thread.

Easy boys, no sword fights or dick measuring contests allowed.

Here is an actual research: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5568610/
Here is a quote from it: " The DPM program tracked participants' weight over 49 weeks, at each of the 22 sessions, which allowed the examination of the role of dietary tracking on weight loss over time. The results showed that individuals who completed over 228 days of food logs to track their dietary intake (out of a possible 343) lost a significant amount of weight, as compared with those who tracked less than 228 days. Furthermore, participants who tracked between 114 and 228 days did not lose a significant amount of weight. In terms of predicting weight loss, individuals who consistently track 5 or more days a week were successful in losing and sustaining weight loss over the course of the year."

Nutrition is one of the most controversial topics on the planet (like parenting and religion).
I would say if you want to get an independent view of the subject why not go look at the research done by biohackers that aren't doctors and who don't have a stake in the outcome
I would recommend you start by looking at 4 Hour Body by Tim Ferriss - he talks about his Slow Carb diet idea - and lots of stuff on Testosterone and then also Boundless by Ben Green. You'll spend days reading through these books.

They look at every diet type, all the science behind each and theres lots on sex and hardness.

To give you a 1000ft view - most natural lower carb non-processed diets work - focus on Vit D and natural cholesterol (Eggs)and some good quality steak. And remove hops from your diet as beer (hops) = estrogen = man boobs = limp dick.

yeahyeahyeah said:

Yes we ate what was available but largely for hundreds of thousands of years we survived on ruminant animals, and occasionally berries and nuts.

Thousands of people on a carnivore diet long term would disagree with you about fiber. Nutritional and medical orgs are largely oriented around food groups and mainstream marketing, which leads invariably to ill health. C'mon.

Dude, we've eaten largely carnivore with intermittant berries and nuts for many at least 100,000 years. What are you talking about?

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Man, you’ve been completely brainwashed by internet diet culture, but hey, you do you.

At the end of the day, maintaining or losing weight still comes down largely to calories in versus calories out. People love trying to reinvent basic physiology with trendy diets, but the fundamentals haven’t changed. It’s the same reason you cannot magically burn fat from one body part just by training that body part. You lose overall body fat through sustained calorie control and lifestyle habits. You know that old say, "abs are created in the kitchen" , yeah, they are.

If someone cuts out ultra-processed junk food on carnivore and loses weight, of course, they may feel better for a while. That does not automatically make eating massive amounts of red meat and eliminating fiber, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains some kind of optimal long term health strategy.

And no, anecdotal stories from carnivore forums are not stronger evidence than decades of nutritional research on fiber, cardiovascular health, gut health, and balanced diets. We’ll see how a strict zero fiber, heavy red meat diet looks for people after 10 or 20 years. I suspect a lot of them are not going to be very happy with the results. Again, you go ahead and be you, because why listen to an anonymous dude on a review board on the internet? Geez, might as well listen to a YouTuber trying to sell you workout packages or some product. LOL

squeezer said:

Man, you’ve been completely brainwashed by internet diet culture, but hey, you do you.

At the end of the day, maintaining or losing weight still comes down largely to calories in versus calories out. People love trying to reinvent basic physiology with trendy diets, but the fundamentals haven’t changed. It’s the same reason you cannot magically burn fat from one body part just by training that body part. You lose overall body fat through sustained calorie control and lifestyle habits. You know that old say, "abs are created in the kitchen" , yeah, they are.

If someone cuts out ultra-processed junk food on carnivore and loses weight, of course, they may feel better for a while. That does not automatically make eating massive amounts of red meat and eliminating fiber, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains some kind of optimal long term health strategy.

And no, anecdotal stories from carnivore forums are not stronger evidence than decades of nutritional research on fiber, cardiovascular health, gut health, and balanced diets. We’ll see how a strict zero fiber, heavy red meat diet looks for people after 10 or 20 years. I suspect a lot of them are not going to be very happy with the results. Again, you go ahead and be you, because why listen to an anonymous dude on a review board on the internet? Geez, might as well listen to a YouTuber trying to sell you workout packages or some product. LOL

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squeezer said:

Man, you’ve been completely brainwashed by internet diet culture, but hey, you do you.

At the end of the day, maintaining or losing weight still comes down largely to calories in versus calories out. People love trying to reinvent basic physiology with trendy diets, but the fundamentals haven’t changed. It’s the same reason you cannot magically burn fat from one body part just by training that body part. You lose overall body fat through sustained calorie control and lifestyle habits. You know that old say, "abs are created in the kitchen" , yeah, they are.

If someone cuts out ultra-processed junk food on carnivore and loses weight, of course, they may feel better for a while. That does not automatically make eating massive amounts of red meat and eliminating fiber, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains some kind of optimal long term health strategy.

And no, anecdotal stories from carnivore forums are not stronger evidence than decades of nutritional research on fiber, cardiovascular health, gut health, and balanced diets. We’ll see how a strict zero fiber, heavy red meat diet looks for people after 10 or 20 years. I suspect a lot of them are not going to be very happy with the results. Again, you go ahead and be you, because why listen to an anonymous dude on a review board on the internet? Geez, might as well listen to a YouTuber trying to sell you workout packages or some product. LOL

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I've studied nutrition for probably thirty years. "internet diet culture" has nothing to do with it.

I never said anything about losing weight. I mentioned that reducing excess carbs makes you hard again. There is lots of evidence for this. Some people go too low carb and then have limp dicks, but generally it works. If you need an express lane ask chatgp this question and watch the evidence unfurl: "does lowering excess carbs help with erectile dysfunction?" Solving metabolic syndrome by reducing excess carbs helps a myriad of problems that end up with limp dick as one of the symptoms.

As mentioned we ate as omnivores for 100,000 + years, living largely off ruminant animals and topping up with fruits, and seeds. I'll take that as a "long term study" lol. I've eaten almost exclusively carnivore for three years, and have solved most of the health crises I had my entire life. It's been simply astonishing. Can you get there another way? Sure. Will it work "long term" for me? Who knows, I feel incredible now. I am leaning towards a carnivore/keto diet being where I'll probably land, but who knows.

I think if this stuff really worked, we would be all taking it.

yeahyeahyeah said:

I've studied nutrition for probably thirty years. "internet diet culture" has nothing to do with it.

I never said anything about losing weight. I mentioned that reducing excess carbs makes you hard again. There is lots of evidence for this. Some people go too low carb and then have limp dicks, but generally it works. If you need an express lane ask chatgp this question and watch the evidence unfurl: "does lowering excess carbs help with erectile dysfunction?" Solving metabolic syndrome by reducing excess carbs helps a myriad of problems that end up with limp dick as one of the symptoms.

As mentioned we ate as omnivores for 100,000 + years, living largely off ruminant animals and topping up with fruits, and seeds. I'll take that as a "long term study" lol. I've eaten almost exclusively carnivore for three years, and have solved most of the health crises I had my entire life. It's been simply astonishing. Can you get there another way? Sure. Will it work "long term" for me? Who knows, I feel incredible now. I am leaning towards a carnivore/keto diet being where I'll probably land, but who knows.

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As I said, you do you. Talk to me again in another 3 years if you’re still a strict carnivore. In the meantime, hopefully you’re at least getting regular bloodwork done and monitoring cholesterol, kidney function, cardiovascular markers, and overall health. NO wait, you don't trust Doctors and science, so scuttle that, you just keep doing you based on your vibes.

And no, cutting carbs itself is not some magic cure for ED. If an overweight person with metabolic syndrome reduces excess calories, loses body fat, improves insulin sensitivity, lowers blood sugar, and improves cardiovascular health, then yes, erectile function can improve. But that’s because they improved their overall metabolic health, not because carbs are inherently evil.

You could achieve similar improvements with a balanced, whole-food diet, weight loss, exercise, and better lifestyle habits without eliminating entire food groups.

Also, the “humans ate this way for 100,000 years” argument is weak. Humans 100,000 years ago were not examples of optimized longevity or modern health. Most never reached old age, had no medical care, no understanding of nutrition science, and died from things we easily prevent today. I’m not sure why some people treat prehistoric survival diets as the gold standard for modern long-term health but then again, folks on the internet without a medical or nutritional background are preaching diet fads.

I am going to venture a guess that you are one of these folks who believe seed oil is the devil, aren't you? LOL

It's allowed by WADA. Of course, it won't be supper effective. WADA bans everything that can result in any noticeable sporting advantage. If it'snot on WADA list it's most likely not worth the money.

More and more studies have recently been making very compelling points about humans being more gatherers than hunters.
A lot of everything about us individually is also "genetic predisposition".

All I wanted to say.