It still doesn't happen in a vacuum. There has to be lots of sycophants, enablers, backers, money people, zealots, and sociopaths.
War with Iran
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Bro, I don’t really get the “illegal war” terminology.
What makes a war “legal” vs “illegal”?
Bin Laden was a good guy at one time. He was working for the US, via the CIA.
Saddam Hussain was a good guy at one time. USA gave him chemical weapons to fight Iran. Iran did not use chemical weapons.
USA got rid of the Syrian leader Assad, and replaced him with a isis leader, a former head chopper.
Do you see how the USA is causing the problem?
In this case the US constitution. Remember Bush went to Congress and got permission for Afghanistan and Iraq. It's about getting the consent of the reps of the people, making sure one man does not have the power to unilaterally declare war.
It's also needed to fund the war, as Congress approves all spending..
Wouldn't be surprising if the US military was watching very closely what they share with the outside world.
The Iranians, like the Ukrainians, with release the drone footage as they kill them.
That there is no doubt. But to get footage from within would be that much now devastating..
Keep hearing from the administration how many thousands of US servicemen Iran has killed over the last 47 years but can't find any reference to such claims. How many times in the last 70 years has Iran launched wars on foreign countries? None as far as I can see. USA. 3 major ones. Now a 4th. Totally unprovoked. Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan. All total failures.
CIA activities in Iran
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has repeatedly intervened in the internal affairs of Iran, from the Mosaddegh coup of 1953 to the present day. The CIA is said to have collaborated with the last Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. According to a classified report by the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the CIA also played a key role in the formation of SAVAK, Iran’s secret police during the last Shah's regime. The agency provided funding and training to assist the Shah in establishing the organization.[1] Its personnel may have also been involved in the Iran-Contra affair of the 1980s.
Mosaddegh coup
Main article: 1953 Iranian coup d'état
Background
In the early 1900s, Iran's Imperial Leader awarded British businesses exclusive property rights to what would eventually become one of the world's greatest oil reserves. British investment established the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, known today as British Petroleum (BP), and in 1913, the British government purchased a majority of the stake in the partnership. By 1920, approximately 1.5 million tons of oil extracted by the Anglo-Persian oil firm yielded tremendous profits for the British, but Iran earned only 16% in royalty fees.[2] For Mohammed Mosaddegh and many Iranians alike, the international dealings with Iran’s oil wealth were deemed exploitative. In the early 1940s, Mossadegh garnered support to champion the cause of Iranian “Self Determination.”[3] In 1943, this charge was central in securing his election to parliament.
By 1950, 40% of U.S. and 75% of European oil was produced in Iran. In 1951, the drive for control of Iranian Oil wealth intensified with the election of Mosaddegh as the Prime Minister. As a leader of the House, he supervised and participated in the parliamentary vote that would nationalize the oil industry of Iran, thus giving them a reasonable stake in it. This move was inspired by similar oil-producing countries like Venezuela and Saudi Arabia who earned 50% from their relative oil profit.
CIA activities in Iran
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has repeatedly intervened in the internal affairs of Iran, from the Mosaddegh coup of 1953 to the present day. The CIA is said to have collaborated with the last Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. According to a classified report by the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the CIA also played a key role in the formation of SAVAK, Iran’s secret police during the last Shah's regime. The agency provided funding and training to assist the Shah in establishing the organization.[1] Its personnel may have also been involved in the Iran-Contra affair of the 1980s.
Mosaddegh coup
Main article: 1953 Iranian coup d'état
Background
In the early 1900s, Iran's Imperial Leader awarded British businesses exclusive property rights to what would eventually become one of the world's greatest oil reserves. British investment established the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, known today as British Petroleum (BP), and in 1913, the British government purchased a majority of the stake in the partnership. By 1920, approximately 1.5 million tons of oil extracted by the Anglo-Persian oil firm yielded tremendous profits for the British, but Iran earned only 16% in royalty fees.[2] For Mohammed Mosaddegh and many Iranians alike, the international dealings with Iran’s oil wealth were deemed exploitative. In the early 1940s, Mossadegh garnered support to champion the cause of Iranian “Self Determination.”[3] In 1943, this charge was central in securing his election to parliament.
By 1950, 40% of U.S. and 75% of European oil was produced in Iran. In 1951, the drive for control of Iranian Oil wealth intensified with the election of Mosaddegh as the Prime Minister. As a leader of the House, he supervised and participated in the parliamentary vote that would nationalize the oil industry of Iran, thus giving them a reasonable stake in it. This move was inspired by similar oil-producing countries like Venezuela and Saudi Arabia who earned 50% from their relative oil profit.
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Do you really think Trump gave this much thought, or was it more that Netanyahu was guided by the war hawks, people like Graham, on how to manipulate Trump into giving the order to strike?
It’s been reported that Trump was warned against attacking Iran, yet he went ahead because he “felt it in his bones.” He often disregards the expertise around him, dismisses science, and relies heavily on intuition. In my view, this reliance on gut instinct is what has brought us to this dangerous point.
I also believe that Israel likely would not have taken such action independently. It seems the decision was heavily influenced by external pressures and the unique dynamics of Trump’s decision-making style.
Trump hits out at reports that top US general warned against attacking Iran
General Dan Caine has warned that strikes against Iran could be risky, potentially drawing the US into a prolonged conflict, US media report.
www.bbc.com
I don't believe they want to destroy the Middle East. Only the countries that they perceive as their enemies and that is Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Iran. Especially Iran who has been funding militias to cause trouble for Israel.
They perceive the entirety of the middle eastern Muslim Arab nations as enemies, as most of them do not recognize Israel as a state.
So I totally believe that their goal is to destabilize and make all of these countries failed states in one way or another.
But they cannot do that without the US, and hence their control over the US via AIPAC and other lobby groups.
Troops on the ground are coming. 100% it will happen.
If they start coming back in body bags, Trump is done and he will not be able to lie his way out of it.
The body bags are coming too. Trump is done for. Wait and watch.
And don't ever ignore his capacity to lie and spin bullshit lmfao.
Iran didn't start the war, trump did.
Iran was in negotiations and agreed to strict terms and then trump attacked the next day.
I think americans are the ones that want and need a regime change now.
You gotta know that trump is already hiding casualty numbers. What is the public number, is it still 8?
The question is how high can they go before he has to admit it.
Bananas are fine, just dont ask him for legal adviceAsk him about bananas, he's much more well informed about that topic.
AI Netanyahu is a bit like trump these days, no filter and totally ok with saying the really evil stuff out loud.
'we are the attacking side'
so much for anyone ever saying Israelis are peaceful.
