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How many more 9/11's on Iran, Lebanon and Gaza are hoping to enact?
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Oh I see. The mullahs and jihadis are the victims. Their religion is a religion of peace.
The west and Israel, they deserve it. They are evil. Except of course you and self-righteous suicidal radical lefties, who are probably hoping that the jihadis will spare them.
 
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Butler1000 said:
So your answer is 3500 lives then?
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My answer is, since the war is already happening, it is better if it ends with the US and Israel achieving at least the objective of destroying the Islamic regime’s military capacity. And as a bonus, trigger a regime change that is more aligned with the west.
 
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Mehdi’s EXCLUSIVE interview with Iran’s Foreign Ministry Spokesman On The War



He doesn't sound unreasonable and his version of the story leading up to the first attack by US and Israel seems to be accurate.

One has to ask oneself who sounds more credible when speaking publicly, Trump or this chap from Iran? hmmmmm
 
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Uwauwa said:
My answer is, since the war is already happening, it is better if it ends with the US and Israel achieving at least the objective of destroying the Islamic regime’s military capacity. And as a bonus, trigger a regime change that is more aligned with the west.
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I can never get an answer with war supporters. But its always other lives. Do you have children? Would you support the war if it meant their deaths?
 
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Butler1000 said:
I can never get an answer with war supporters. But its always other lives. Do you have children? Would you support the war if it meant their deaths?
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Good point! This is why Baron should be forced to join the first wave of US soldiers hitting the ground in Iran.
 
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Wanna know my guess for how the war is going to end???....

It won't. Senile, incompetent motherfucker Trump will just come up with a new "theme" for the next few weeks of his dumb-ass presidency. He'll send the National Guard back into Chicago or invade Greenland or Cuba.

And the MAGA-owned news-o-sphere will just stop covering the Straits of Hormuz one day.

And then Europe and Australia will have to cut a deal with China to get their oil and fertilizer. And the American Empire will have quietly ended forever.
 
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Good point! This is why Baron should be forced to join the first wave of US soldiers hitting the ground in Iran.
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While war should always be the last resort, I understand the need for it. In this case there was no need for it. Andvits been so poorly executed(maybe purposely) that boots on the ground are going to happen.

As for Barron being forced to go. I still have to say no. I can never support a draft. It is essentially slavery to the state. That and forced prison labor are the last vestiges of it. The thought does appeal but hard no.

Nothing wrong with pinning a white feather to him mind.....

That is point I'm trying to make. These are human beings not poker chips. All I ask is what is the line of acceptable and unacceptable losses and the question is always avoided. By old man who won't be going.
 
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mandrill said:
Wanna know my guess for how the war is going to end???....

It won't. Senile, incompetent motherfucker Trump will just come up with a new "theme" for the next few weeks of his dumb-ass presidency. He'll send the National Guard back into Chicago or invade Greenland or Cuba.

And the MAGA-owned news-o-sphere will just stop covering the Straits of Hormuz one day.

And then Europe and Australia will have to cut a deal with China to get their oil and fertilizer. And the American Empire will have quietly ended forever.
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Cuba is already under attack, not militarily but economically and the twat has claimed it to be next and this one will have Rubio's hands all over it.


 
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Butler1000 said:
While war should always be the last resort, I understand the need for it. In this case there was no need for it. Andvits been so poorly executed(maybe purposely) that boots on the ground are going to happen.

As for Barron being forced to go. I still have to say no. I can never support a draft. It is essentially slavery to the state. That and forced prison labor are the last vestiges of it. The thought does appeal but hard no.

Nothing wrong with pinning a white feather to him mind.....

That is point I'm trying to make. These are human beings not poker chips. All I ask is what is the line of acceptable and unacceptable losses and the question is always avoided. By old man who won't be going.
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SO if a draft were to be declared in the US, would you accept Barron being excused from being forced to deploy?
 
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Wanna know my guess for how the war is going to end???....
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I cannot predict how the war is going to end. But I have
a hunch on who wants Trump to escalate the war the most
to ground invasion of Iran. Vladimir Putin would be pleased
to no end if the war is spiraling out of control.
 
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Butler1000 said:
I can never get an answer with war supporters. But its always other lives. Do you have children? Would you support the war if it meant their deaths?
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Of course as a parent I don’t want my children to die in a war. But sometimes people choose to go to war and sacrifice their lives.
I also don’t want my children and their children to live in a world full of Islamic terror and die in a terrorist attack, or live under the fucking sharia law.
Wars are inevitable part of human history, sadly, and sometimes unavoidable.
Regardless what led to this war, if we ended up having it already, I prefer it achieves the above mentioned objectives. It is in my children’s interest.
 
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Uwauwa said:
Regardless what led to this war, if we end up having it already, I prefer it achieves the above objectives. It is in my children’s interest.
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What exactly are the objectives here? Do we even know? Does anyone?

If the goal is regime change, is there any real indication that the U.S. is close to achieving that? And if the objective is to prevent nuclear proliferation, this approach may have the opposite effect. It sends a clear message to countries without nuclear weapons: acquire them as quickly as possible, or risk becoming vulnerable to sudden military action.

Rather than deterring nuclear ambitions, it arguably incentivizes them, especially when actions appear unpredictable or unilateral under the current administration.
 
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I can live with having only a small part of the world, which excludes
North America, that is full of Islamic terror.
 
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SO if a draft were to be declared in the US, would you accept Barron being excused from being forced to deploy?
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I can't support the draft. Period. I have already informed friends and family in the USA if they have age eligible kids who get called I would help them if they come up. It's a hard line with me. Blame the politicians. Not the kids.

I have found the right thing to do is usually the toughest.
 
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Uwauwa said:
Of course as a parent I don’t want my children to die in a war. But sometimes people choose to go to war and sacrifice their lives.
I also don’t want my children and their children to live in a world full of Islamic terror and die in a terrorist attack, or live under the fucking sharia law.
Wars are inevitable part of human history, sadly, and sometimes unavoidable.
Regardless what led to this war, if we ended up having it already, I prefer it achieves the above mentioned objectives. It is in my children’s interest.
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People who are chasing to go to war are not sacrificing, are they? Biden saw the folly first hand. His son Died due to Burn Pit exposure. He at least knew the cost.
 
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squeezer said:
It sends a clear message to countries without nuclear weapons: acquire them as quickly as possible, or risk becoming vulnerable to sudden military action.
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That is a known formula, known to all before the war started. The war proves it but it doesn’t send any new message in that regard.

And the Islamic regime + nukes, ballistic rockets, long range drones etc - is a very bad formula.

The desirable objective, afaik is to destroy the regime’s military capability. And if it also triggers, in the end, a regime change to something more cooperative with the west, that will be a great bonus.
 
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Uwauwa said:
The desirable objective, afaik is to destroy the regime’s military capability. And if it also triggers, in the end, a regime change to something more cooperative with the west, that will be a great bonus.
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and if this proves to be a failure and Iran technically wins strategically, then what?
 
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