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Boy, you sure love that popcorn. I wonder what you season it with?
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Boy, you sure love that popcorn. I wonder what you season it with?Hmmmmm.....seems to me it kinda harms your narrative defining success. And your insecurity for how people look at you.I don't measure success by wealth or bottles of wine but I definitely encourage you to drink much and often. It's good for you and it will make you smarter. Well...it can't make you any less smart at this point so there's that.
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What an insane thing to say.
Who would possibly believe that?
Yes, the MSM is reporting on the rumor mill on twitter.The doubts were serious enough they made the MSM, though they argue that the videos are legit. But even the one CBC claimed disproved the death claims has been pulled apart for a few issues, like the coffee in the cup defying gravity.
Benjamin Netanyahu tried to dispel viral rumors of his death. Some social media users aren't convinced.
Speculation about the Israeli prime minister’s possible death swirled after blurry press conference footage convinced many online that Israel was resorting to deepfake videos.www.nbcnews.com
They do that quite a bit.
The coffee cup defied gravity?
Neat.
Have no idea and don't care.
So we are just pretending the Ghivir thing never happened?
Is "publicly visited a strike site" the signal to pretend things never happened?
Trying to figure out what rules you are using for yourself.
If Netanyahu publicly visited a strike site, does that mean he is alive?
Do other public appearances count or not?
(Presumably not, since "showed up in a coffee shop" seems to not count.)
You probably can.
The issue is you posting things from people who are obviously using fake images and then wondering why I say you have terrible judgment about the credibility of sources online.
I mean, do what you want.
What would you even accept as proof of him being alive, though?
At this point, it seems you are really emotionally invested in the "AI Netanyahu" story.
I presume even him showing up at your doorstep and shaking your hand would only prove he was alive, but you would still insist the videos were all AI released to discredit you or something.
Then post that specific frame.
But I'm sorry you are having trouble with your vision.
No.
I'm asking you to present a coherent theory of the behavior you claim you are seeing.
If you claim this video is misinformation, then this is not the view of the Israeli government.
Ahh, "His eyebrows don't move enough."
"I've clipped pieces from a longer video"
"People don't react enough and the subject of the video is lit."
Look, if these were credible sources critiquing these videos, they might be worth engaging with.
But they are people you picked from X and you are notoriously bad at judging sources.
I have no idea if these people have any leg to stand on with their criticisms, but there is little reason to believe they do.
Drat, I didn't use the sarcasm font again.
Just don't check it, continue with your faith.
I don't care about Ben Gvir so much, haven't checked. But go for it if you like.
Are you back to arguing that AI can't do crowd or outdoor scenes?
There are no legit sources. Israel blocks all media and america won't report on losses. Seems only Iran is letting the media report more.
Occasionally crap gets through but if you check the Iran war threads you'll note that I've been way more accurate on what's going on then most posters here.
You, for instance, are talking blindly, you have no idea what is going on Israel or Iran now, do you?
I'm more emotionally invested in the end of the genocide and Israeli middle east wars.
Netanyahu, even if alive, won't last much longer than trump.
It was done already through posts you declared fake.
I told you how where to see it yourself and you failed.
I think the messaging is Israeli, even if Netanyahu is dead. The genocide is an Israeli society thing, a part of zionism.
The genocidal racism was never just Netanyahu, he just fanned it on and rode it.
Right, you have to verify that the sources are trustworthy before you would consider them or check them out.
Very much an academic model of analysis.
Yup, PeePee is with the dorks and weirdos according to Rogan.
Oh no, your sarcasm was obvious.
But you were implying I must believe that since I'm disagreeing with you.
Because, as always, disagreeing means I am completely supporting the absolute opposite.
And yes, it's silly and ridiculous.
I've watched the coffee video.
The coffee cup defying gravity doesn't happen.
Of course AI can do outdoor scenes.
You're the one who said he appeared at the site of a strike and so that was the proof he is alive.
Again, asking if appearing at a strike site is the only proof you accept now or does the comment about outdoor scenes mean that wouldn't count either and Gvir is alive just because maintaining they all died is too much effort?
What do you mean "there are no legit sources"?
Official media isn't the only type of legit source.
When I talk about you not using legit sources I am talking about you repeatedly using people who are easily shown to be using fake images and such.
"Occasionally crap gets through."
Twitter is far more crap than not.
And your repeated posting of unsupported or outright false things demonstrates that well.
I have very limited knowledge of what's going on in Israel or Iran. I don't live there, there is fog of war, and there are active disinformation campaigns about both.
The Iran War threads here are a cavalcade of idiocy and bullshit and no one who would want to get a good sense of what is going on in the Middle East would use them.
Last longer in power or last longer alive?
Dude. The one you posted with the hands circled shows five fingers.
I don't know why you are trying to gaslight people into thinking it has six. (Unless you honestly see six, in which case - as I said earlier - I worry about your vision.)
Sure, but you are all over the place about who is putting out what and why and which are fake and why.
Like Trump, Netanyahu is a specific problem, but is not the evil that can be cut out and then everything is nice and happy with his country, government, and party.
No disagreement there.
That's not academic at all.
And I'm committing a logical fallacy, obviously, by not digging up each original video and checking it here.
What I am saying is that, as a heuristic, "rando twitter sources with vague claims built for engagement selected by Frank are not worth spending much time on".
That's a very sound heuristic, although obviously not a foolproof one.
Generative AI can do impressive things.
uh huh
It didn't happen in the one with the Ayatollah or KJU either.
Those were all legit.
Why don't you check with the Israeli media and government, since you seem to only accept their word as truth right now.
Shit gets through sometimes and I try to correct it. Not so much in the MSM, corrections are rare and biased or lack of reporting isn't repaired.
Please feel free to share your superior knowledge of what's going on with us and your own, totally legit and unbiased sources.
Until then, given total media blackout in Israel, america not reporting on losses or deaths and only Iran allowing reporters in to cities to see damage, the xitter still has more info than any news site I've seen. No Israel media is reporting honestly, no american media and even Al J is treading the line between their Qatari leadership and its roll in the war.
I have no idea how long AI Netanyahu will last.
Feel free to use your superior knowledge here too.
Ace Ventura of AI detection has spoken!
Ignore the critics.
I'm posting what I see that is interesting and looks legit. With the goal that we have discussion and a bit more insight into the reality there.
Then if you won't investigate whether they are legit you are just operating on your own bias.
Check the threads if you like, but I've been closer to predicting what's been going on here than most.
Most thought this would be a cakewalk but I was the one that noted Iran stated their warnings about what they would do, their long term strategy and american and Israeli failures.
I say wait until the smoke clears before we find out whether its AI Netanyahu, but given the damages and the lack of reporting you really shouldn't discount it.
Is this the first time you've realized this?
I see.
If it happens, that's proof the video is AI.
If it doesn't happen, that's proof the video is AI.
Convenient.
I'm asking you what it will take.
From what I can tell from the videos you've posted, he's appeared in a public coffee shop, he's appeared in a press conference, he's appeared in a face-to-face with Mike Huckabee, he's appeared in a military planning room, and he's appeared just in studio alone.
None of these are acceptable to you, all are AI forgeries.
With Givir you said he must be alive because he appeared at the site of a missile strike. (Which is why I keep asking if that's the standard.)
So what would it take for you to believe Netanyahu is alive at this point?
Shit gets through a lot (it's Twitter, the incentives on there are to produce shit).
What possible benefit is talking about the war with a bunch of deranged hobbyists?
There is very little point to doing that.
Clinging to twitter because it soothes you emotionally isn't really good for you.
You forget that I don't care about the "Is there an AI Netanyahu" narrative.
If he is dead and the Israeli government has put all this time into doing this, it only shows how irrelevant he is to the current government and its goals. Any hope that the war was mostly pushed by him to avoid losing power is dashed, and any hope that him being removed meant infighting and a breakup of the ruling coalition as people fight for the succession is also gone.
Yes.
I told you, I am operating on a sound heuristic.
If Netanyahu has been dead for 26 days, then he is pretty irrelevant.
Good for you.
Again.
It's irrelevant.
If he's dead, the war has continued steadily, which means he wasn't of any importance to the war.
If he's not dead, all that's happened is the internet getting worked up over nothing.
Proving how easy it is to fake the coffee shop video with AI doesn't matter to you?
Interesting.
I haven't followed the Ghvir storyline enough to say whether the missile strike video was AI as well.
Not sure if Israel cares enough to fake him being alive.
Now you want me to specify exactly what situation would prove he's alive?
That's a bit ridiculous.
You want something like 'a video with Mark Carney or at the UN' as the only proof so you can declare it impossible to attain?
Whereas testing out arguments with me for future use has a point.
How's that going so far?
I haven't seen a single winning point from you yet.
Cute.
Attempting to confer emotional states is more conjecture than posting from the xitter.
Of course you don't care, that's why you keep returning to it.
So why do you keep returning to this?
I assume its just one of your debate tactics you're trying out, the old school straw man argument. As in 'you 100% declared this happened so must therefore prove without a doubt it happened or else your entire posting history is wrong'. Same thing with the Harris genocide debate. As such, its pretty weak.
But that seems to be par for the course these days.
That actually showed it isn't as easy to fake one as you might think.
But AI is quite powerful isn't actually a revelation.
So you are backing away from your statement he is alive?
Are you just abandoning all belief in truth now?
Everything could be AI so nothing is true and people may as just well believe whatever they want to believe?
Not at all.
You could give a range of things you would accept as proof.
At this point, it seems you have decided nothing would ever be proof and nothing is ever true.
I'd like to know if that is what you've embraced or not.
Is there anything at all that Israel could do to convince you Netanyahu is alive?
Would a video with Mark Carney or at the UN be acceptable?
TERB as a place I can see what people with various extreme positions and cases of being terminally online say has been very useful at times.
I assume you know that sentence doesn't actually make sense, but you don't need to accept my inference about why you insist on using twitter even as it leads you to post nonsense.
I asked about it and you engaged.
You haven't yet bored me with your reasoning or lack thereof.
Because your thought process around it is interesting.
And once again, right to absolutes.
It really is pathological with you.
No, it really is no more than an interest in your thought process on this.
Has anyone leaked the text of the amendments yet?
Ok, now you are claiming some knowledge here.
Point out where the tells are that the Ayottolah and KJU videos are AI and tell us why those tells aren't in the Netanyahu video.
You've made it clear that you think its easy to tell them apart as real or AI.
So make your case.
As I said, I haven't looked into it enough hold a view on it, while I've checked out a bunch of the AI Netanyahu videos.
I'm surprised that you don't appreciate honestly saying I don't know enough about Gvir's situation to have a solid position.
Instead, you want to use this as an attack point.
sad
Nope, I'm not playing.
Its a stupid demand meant only to use to call me out.
Do better.
So no, you haven't found any winning arguments.
thanks for playing.
Your conjecture as to my emotional state has less substance than the worst of the xitter.
Right, its another position you hold but can't use in real life. Trying it out here is the best you get.
ok
That was a very larue like answer. I call you out for consistently trying to frame all my positions as absolute and you declare that be another absolute positon.
Not here.
You could check the xitter yourself.
Unless you have a better source.
This poll makes it look like my views are not outside the norm for dems these days.
(go ahead, I know you want to make some pot shots here)
Though I'm more aligned with Avi Lewis here than Carney, who has taken an austerity turn.
I don't think it is easy at all.
That was all you.
You pointed to things that made it "obviously" AI.
So obvious that Joe Rogan could see.
Then, those things weren't actually there.
As for why Ayottolah and KJU were AI, it's pretty simple.
Neither of them is in Israel.
They are being superimposed on an existing video, which we know didn't include them.
They are also being kept MUCH shorter than the Netanyahu video, since it is well known that generative AI loses coherence as it gets longer.
Merely an attempt to figure out what you are using to discriminate things.
You put him in the dead column, then said his public appearance meant he wasn't.
He, like Netanyahu, had released a bunch of videos in between.
So the obvious question was why one not the other?
One possibility was "Twitter only focused on one", which may well be the answer.
Another possibility was "Sufficiently public appearance", which seems not to be the case.
You are really convinced that any statement by you of what would convince you is a trap.
It's kind of amazing.
Just so we're clear, the "trap" here is that if you say "I will accept this as proof" and then don't accept it, you look like shit.
That's it.
Much more coherent.
Look, the evidence so far is very much in favor of there is no "AI Netanyahu" conspiracy.
You've made that clear.
But I really don't care all that much and never even would have known about it if you hadn't been going on about it.
Frank.
You repeatedly assume any disagreement with any position of yours is an endorsement of the most extreme version of the 180° position.
Yes, this is a problem of you putting things in absolutes.
That you can't see this is worrying.
Haven't seen anything.
It would be useful since the administration is making all kinds of claims about it with the lovely convenience of no one being able to check the actual text.
What would there be to take pot shots about?
The Economist/YouGov is a decent polling outfit.
Not surprising, I think we're both more NDP than Liberal in our preferences.
So you can't actually tell which is AI and which isn't by looking at the video and checking for artifacts or AI tells.
Yet you are sure that the other videos are not AI.
This seems to be your standard position, you are right regardless.
Again, it doesn't matter what I say, you have formed your opinion and declared yourself right.
I told you why twice, you won't accept it.
Again with this absolute position, 'any statement'.
It doesn't matter what I say, you will make this kind of reply.
Of course I'm going to keep repeating it until I think its disproved. AI Netanyahu is a good story line to follow that makes a good emblem of the fog of news, the lack of clear reporting of this entire war. You do care or you wouldn't harp on about it.
You work quite hard to post on this politics forum without posting your own views, instead your presence is focused on picking one argument and trying to pull it apart, endlessly. What you don't understand is that your choice of topics makes its own statement of your views clear. I'm surprised you cannot see that.
The two biggest are your clear inability to accept or honestly consider that the Gaza genocide could have affected the outcome of the election and that it was a bad policy choice, not the blame of voters. The second is considering whether your 'pragmatic' acceptance of genocide during the election was a Wilhoit type acceptance that you are willing to accept different human rights and rules based on they/them or race, in Israel and america. Those are two sore spots, two major weaknesses, in your own sense of moral clarity. For someone dedicated to democratic rules and laws this contradiction is one you can't overcome or state clearly. For to admit that human rights can be dismissed for 'pragmatic' reasons to get your preferred leader in power despite their support of the worst crime known to humanity, would be to admit that you operate as a Wilhoit conservative yourself. That you would vote based on rules to protect your in-group while controlling your out-group.
This position you called naive, to vote for rules that apply to all and respecting human rights. To vote for human rights and the rules based system meant not voting for genocide. Its still the same debate from the election and the dems refusal to consider this put us in this position.
But for you, it meant being 'pragmatic' and to give up moral clarity by accepting voting for genocide while your choice ended up losing the election and your own moral position. That must suck, to hold a position that meant giving up any moral stance for nothing. Assuming, of course, that you think the genocide is bad.
I'm sure people are being very careful about what they say.
People studying to become teachers speak about Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian racism in Ontario schools
Interviews with people studying to become teachers in Ontario point to the need for systemic changes in schools to better reflect cultural and religious diversity.
theconversation.com
But it came from the xitter!
hmm
