the Iranians were negotiating and the US and Israel just decided to attack anyway. Iran was not seriously going to try and exterminate Israel ( whatever their official policy is or is not). They knew there was a balance of power between them and Israel (backed by the lapdog US). Things were relatively stable until Trump and Netanyahoo decided to attack. I'm sure they thought this would be over in a few days, but the morons miscalculated .... again!
Trump gives Iran 48-hour ultimatum to reopen Strait of Hormuz: 'Hit and obliterate'
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wrong again, fool! There is an alternative . It is called a balance of power or mutually assured destruction. That is the best they can hope for. But Israel wants more..... they started this attack. FOOLS.
Threat of pre-2022 Russia was already a greater threat to
Ukraine than Iran is to Israel.
China is also a greater threat to Taiwan than Iran is to Israel.
One reason both have little fear of bullying by Trump is that
the U.S. is neither the lapdog of Taiwan nor Ukraine. Neither
Zelensky nor Lai has the ability of Netanyahu to control Trump.
The other reason why U.S. wouldn't attack Russia
or China (aside from providing aid to a proxy to fight
Russia) and murder their leaders is obvious.
The hard cold reality is Iran will have to look to North Korea
to convince itself nukes are the only means to ensure its survival
into the future.
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Looks like Iran is eatin TACOs for lunch
m.economictimes.com
The Tehran trap: Iran has torched Trump's TACO playbook
Donald Trump's strategy of escalating and then retreating has failed against Iran. Iran has absorbed initial shocks and escalated on its own terms. This has made it difficult for the US president to end the conflict unilaterally. Negotiations are now unavoidable but constrained. Markets react...
americans and Israelis cannot be trusted in negotiations.
The day before trump attacked Iran they had agreed to end all nuclear stockpiling and all terms.
Israel said they were using the negotiations to stall while they prepped for war.
Nobody should trust them.
don't be ridiculous, trying portray Iran as the victim here
US and Israel intelligence is better informed than a loonie left ideologue that is perpetually wrong
the Iranians negotiation record is not reassuring
because you say so ?
Sorry, rational thinking dictates irrational religious nutjobs funding multiple terrorist organizations and maintaining ongoing efforts to obtain nuclear weapons is a very serious threat
irrational religious nutjobs who murder their people on a regular basis and view Jews as 'dogs" , "cancerous tumors'' and ' little Satan's"
but ''wigglee'' says they are just kidding
ongoing terrorism funding on multiple fronts and ongoing effort to obtain nukes are not "relatively stable"
Jesus man, Iran has intentionally and deliberately turned the volatile middle east into a hyper volatile powder keg
what you can be sure of is being wrong ..... again!
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america attacked Iran even after Iran gave america everything they wanted in negotiations.
trump and AI Netanyahu have attacked Venezuela, Somalia, Yemen, Iran, Syria and Lebanon of late.
They are not the victims.
totally irreverent to Israel, the rest of the middle east and the US
that is useless blithering
Odd how the loonie left for years were describing Trump as being controlled by Putin , until that faded away without proof
Donald Trump is a lot of things , many of which are repulsive and hyper annoying, however if nothing else, he is his own man
the reason is so obvious it is not worth mentioning, but you did anyways
No!
The hard cold reality is Iran will need to abandon
- its nuke objectives
- its objective to exterminate Israel
- its Terrorism funding
If you are looking to North Korea as an example for anything, you need to give your head a shake
Do you not understand North Korea is a failed state based on a failed ideology?
its birth rate has fallen well below replacement value and nobody want to immigrate into a police state run by lunatics
North Korea can not even manage to feed its own population
How many times do need to be told this?
mutually assured destruction relies on your opponent making rational decisions
Iran's leadership are irrational religious nutjobs, guided by a book written 1,400 years ago
If they get nukes, they will use them
How come its ok for Israel to have nukes, exterminate Palestine and fund terrorism through ISIS and settlers?
Israel did not exterminate Palestine. But they could if they really wanted to.
Are you really pissed they have nukes to counter the Islamic regime?
Where is the country of Palestine? Israel wiped it off the maps.
What is genocide if not extermination?
The ICJ charged Netanyahu with 'extermination'.
Parts of what used to be Palestine, became Jordan and Israel and territories such as Gaza and West Bank. Gaza used to be part of Egypt too. Blame it on the terrorists, their leaders and the Islamic regime they are where they are and no country wants them.
The corrupt ICC can go fuck themselves
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The only irrational party here appears to be Trump and Bibi. They launched a war on Iran with no clear goals and no exit strategy. It was so poorly planned that they are SHOCKED that Iran closed the strait of Hormuz. You keep pushing this radical right viewpoint that Iran would develop a nuke than immediately glass Israel. That is probably the dumbest thing you can say. Hell, North Korea has nukes and hasn't annihilated South Korea, Japan or the US.
If Iran got nukes, they would use them as a deterent. Just like North Korea, Russia and Israel. They might say they want Israel to vanish, but that doesn't mean they'd launch a first strike. But, I think it would make Israel think twice before launching sneak attacks against Iran. Plus, Iran wants their brand of Islam to survive. If they nuked Israel, they would likely get a taste of that heat in return. You can't spread the faith if you've been reduced to ashes.
Also, you can say that Iran is led by religious nut jobs....but I could easily make the same argument about the Christian Nationalists who have infected the US leadership, except their book's 2-4000 years old, depending if you include the Old Testament.
You don't know any of this about a nuclear Iran. I think most of know the Iranian regime is crazier than your garden variety authoritarian regime.
We also know the Iranian is an aggressive force in the region. Do you want to hope and pray both Iran contains itself whenever Israel combats with Hamas or Hezbollah?
As far as North Korea, it's not trying to export any ideology.
I've been hearing for forty years that the Iranians could easily shutdown the Strait of Hormuz. It's 24 miles wide at its narrowest point. Why do you believe liberal media propaganda that the Trump Administration was SHOCKED by this? The U.S. military was certainly expecting this.
I blame it on the terrorists.
zionists
Israel was founded on terrorism and continues today to be the biggest terrorists in the world.
All this proves is that the Iranians were sane while its Israel and americans who have proved they are crazy.
Iran could have closed the Hormuz but chose not to, just like they chose not to attack anyone and to deescalate the two times Israel and america attacked them. This time they told trump in advance that attack and they'd fight to the end. The child fucker decided to attack and now the world is suffering along with Iran.
A reminder, zionists are just evil supremacists like the nazis.
They do not represent the Jewish people.
They do not represent the Jewish people.
Here's the thing to consider: Building a nuclear device will cost billions. It will take a long time (especially if the US and Israel continue attack Iran) to develop, and you're going to need at least two (one to test and show the world, one for actual use). Now, after sinking billions into this, and knowing the ramifications for using it, do you think they would? I honestly don't. I know the US media paints Iran as crazy, and sure, on some level they are. They ain't as nuts as North Korea. And North Korea has never used theirs (though they've threatened to many times). The point here to keep in mind, if you were Iran and you see the shit NK is doing and how the world just basically lets them....Wouldn't you want that leverage?
The belief that they would immediatly launch an attack comes from the same minds that have told us Iran was two weeks away from nuclear weapons for the past 40 years.
OK, I guess the question is this: If Trump knew that the Strait would be closed....why didn't he and his genius secretary of war have a plan to keep it open? Why are the begging allies to risk their navy and sailors to help clear it? If they were expecting this to happen....why did they allow it to happen?
I'm still trying to figure out what threat existed for Iran to need a nuclear weapon for deterrence.
Why do they need long range ballistic missiles? Where is the threat to Iran?
I think you inadvertently made the argument for the need to attack Iran below.
