'Gone too far': Canadians fed up with tipping

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It’s simple. Tipping is not mandatory, though it is customary in a sit down restaurant. The custom is about 15%-20%, pre tax. It is not customary for takeout, nor should it be expected, so I have no guilt in entering “zero” when prompted to tip when taking out or at fast food. I don’t worry about it, get angry about it, get self conscious about it or apologize. Just because the “machine” prompts me, I still am capable of making my own decision, I don’t answer to the interac machine. Lol

Servers do get minimum wage, though keep in mind that full time hours at minimum wage is not even 40k a year. If you are supporting a kid or two, this is perilously close to the poverty line, if not below.
This!

I am confident enough in what I give on a. Regular basis. To church, to servers in restaurants, to friends and family when needed. I’m a naturally giving person, so I feel no way about saying no to a machine for a take-out order.

just click zero and move on with your day
 
5 bucks to a hotel maid, 10 if you are a bit messy it not a hardship. And believe me they work hard and have to deal with a lot of gross things in hotel rooms.
So why in the world do I have to pay them to do a good job? That is what the hotel should do, not me. I pay for the room with housekeeping, which I usually don't need. If there a week may put the thing on the door don't need every night when go to bed maybe 4 AM (a night owl).

Sometimes just need waste basket dumped and set it outside the door. I am not messy but am very organized with stuff on the extra bed (I usually get 2 queens to have stuff organized on the 2nd). Rarely use housekeeping even if stay my typical 7 nights)
 
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I guess there can be other factors to consider. Menu knowledge is one thing, for with food and drink. Creating a flawless atmosphere in fine dining. Sure, get rid of tipping, but be prepared for a nice hike in a labor intensive industry that can't be mitigated by AI.
Can't you read the menu? I always know what I am going to order before I arrive at the restaurant since I look online and decide. Of course, my idea of fine dining is Denny's. Don't need fancy just nice meal while I read or catch up on reading emails, or news sites.

I agree fair pay for staff should be included in the food price, not this stupid unfair to all tipping scam. And it can be replaced by AI like in some parts of Asia where a robot brings your food.

I am not sure if it's still there, but I recall that at Toronto YYZ, they once had it partly mechanized. You sat at a table with an ordering monitor in front that sent the order to the central kitchen (big round area as I recall. The only human involved (other than how it got cooked) was the delivery person bringing it to the table. That can and has been replaced by a robot.

This may have been near an American Airlines gate, which I used to use, but now use Porter which I love, especially Reserve seats and flies direct now to Phoenix out of YYZ. Sometimes used Air Canada.

This was a few years ago and may not still be there. I also recall YYZ has replaced most janitors with robotic cleaning machines. I have pictures of some places, but they are "out roaming" very late, when there are few passengers around, maybe 3 AM??

AI is sort of like when autos replaced horses on the streets, and all the folks who cleaned up their exhaust lost their jobs.
 
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For much of recorded history, the role of food servant had been filled by those in bondage, indentured servitude, or those of a lesser social class.
Exactly, which is why it is considered an insult in much of Asia.
 
Ah, yes, fond memories of the $65 days. Probably when Victoria, BC, was my favorite playground, with all the great escort agencies and gals from various all-girls colleges, and used to be far less expensive than Toronto, but not any longer. And when incalls in Saanich were invited by the Sheriff to move to Victoria city, including on the main drag, one I enjoyed.
 

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So why in the world do I have to pay them to do a good job? That is what the hotel should do, not me. I pay for the room with housekeeping, which I usually don't need. If there a week may put the thing on the door don't need every night when go to bed maybe 4 AM (a night owl).

Sometimes just need waste basket dumped and set it outside the door. I am not messy but am very organized with stuff on the extra bed (I usually get 2 queens to have stuff organized on the 2nd). Rarely use housekeeping even if stay my typical 7 nights)
Bamecause at the moment, and until it changes, that is part if the pay structure. And you are not in any way hurting the hotel.

Just the worker. And btw, in many cases they are either illegals, or just getting their citizenship, especially in the USA. So maybe a bit of heart to what are usually hard working immigrant moms trying to make a better life for their kids.

You hobby. Alot. Pretty sure you can swing it.
 
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Can't you read the menu? I always know what I am going to order before I arrive at the restaurant since I look online and decide. Of course, my idea of fine dining is Denny's. Don't need fancy just nice meal while I read or catch up on reading emails, or news sites.

I agree fair pay for staff should be included in the food price, not this stupid unfair to all tipping scam. And it can be replaced by AI like in some parts of Asia where a robot brings your food.

I am not sure if it's still there, but I recall that at Toronto YYZ, they once had it partly mechanized. You sat at a table with an ordering monitor in front that sent the order to the central kitchen (big round area as I recall. The only human involved (other than how it got cooked) was the delivery person bringing it to the table. That can and has been replaced by a robot.

This may have been near an American Airlines gate, which I used to use, but now use Porter which I love, especially Reserve seats and flies direct now to Phoenix out of YYZ. Sometimes used Air Canada.

This was a few years ago and may not still be there. I also recall YYZ has replaced most janitors with robotic cleaning machines. I have pictures of some places, but they are "out roaming" very late, when there are few passengers around, maybe 3 AM??

AI is sort of like when autos replaced horses on the streets, and all the folks who cleaned up their exhaust lost their jobs.
Not having experience with real fine dining, and clearly having never worked in the industry, I can say with a clear head you are completely ignorant of what goes on to make a restaurant, or any service industry function.

As for "reading a menu". Good luck with the wine list. And believe me, in fine dining there is a whole new world for you. Once you realize just how amazing food can be, and a service you match, you will understand. Many restaurants have daily specials, changes to pre fix menus, and add things in. Look up Amuse Bouche a tiny example.

People do this first the experience, nor just to fuel up.
 
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As for "reading a menu". Good luck with the wine list. And believe me, in fine dining there is a whole new world for you. People do this first the experience, nor just to fuel up.
Good points. I have no clue about wine; I had it once and didn't like it. Nor any liquor. When I go to strip clubs I have my Diet Coke :) Eating to me isn't entertainment, like for some, it's just eating, no big deal, and don't eat big meals, usually just 2 minutes of something in the microwave or when traveling to Denny's. At home, I mostly follow a keto diet with low carbs, so I stay at an ideal weight. But go off when traveling and eat at Denny's type fine restaurants!

Lately, I'm staying more at Residence Inns, so I can go to the grocery and get microwave stuff and have a full-size refrigerator to keep food in, so I don't have to eat out all the time. I am often there for a week at a time, have the next trip booked before the mob comes for your big soccer thing and my usual Marriott triples in price.

I realize I am not into "fine dining," just not my thing. But for those who want specials or info on the wine list, I would say just include it in the price, without the tipping nonsense. :) :)
 
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Bamecause at the moment, and until it changes, that is part if the pay structure.
Just the worker. And btw, in many cases they are either illegals, or just getting their citizenship, especially in the USA. So maybe a bit of heart to what are usually hard working immigrant moms trying to make a better life for their kids. You hobby. Alot. Pretty sure you can swing it.
Good legitimate point, it is part of the pay structure. Not sure about Canada, but in the US, minimum wages are reduced by an assumed tip credit. But I bet most tipped folks cheat on income taxes and don't fully report. I still think it's a ridiculous system.

When I rarely eat out in Phoenix (fine dining at Denny's or similar), the waitresses don't have any accent and some I have got to know (I once eat out more but have to watch my weight) were going to University etc. But I am in outer areas we used to call suburbs when living in the Mpls area, not downtowns or areas known for migrants, etc.

Yes, I can swing it - it's just I think it is crazy and I would rather spend money on mid-level hotels like Marriotts, Porter Reserve seating and of course your women :)

BTW, I DO usually tip 20% at restaurants, since I realize for low-wage workers it is part of the system. I am against it, but I'll proceed with the current system.

On the other hand, I have never tipped an escort, massage gal, or stripper since I treat them as professionals who are not just making minimum wages, unlike the service industry.
 
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I think that's actually part of the frustration - tip menus coming up at fast food places when a business knows people use tap regularly. Wastes too much time and really defeats the whole purpose of tap if you have to hit 'other', then 0, then enter, then ok, then tap.
I've heard that the payment processing companies automatically put the tip option in because they get a percentage of whatever the transaction is. So, adding a tip just gives them more of a bite from the payment. I honestly don't know if the stores have the ability to edit the system like that.

Now, all that being said, it really is crazy that they keep asking for tips. I mean, I don't order delivery (because that's gotten so expensive), so I pick it up. In the apps/websites, they ask if you want to include a tip. No thanks...

Now, if i'm at a sit-down restaurant, I tip. I try to tip generously depending on the service. Usually 20%, sometimes more for exceptional service.
 
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I think that's actually part of the frustration - tip menus coming up at fast food places when a business knows people use tap regularly. Wastes too much time and really defeats the whole purpose of tap if you have to hit 'other', then 0, then enter, then ok, then tap.
RIght! Fast food is only good because it's FAST.
 
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White Liberal women in Scottsdale say "Of course I support open borders. Who can afford to pay minimum wage for domestic work?".
The Republican lie machine keeps repeating this nonsense. I have not heard anyone in context looking for open borders. We badly need immigrants - many doctors in some of our best Universities we have a majority of foreign students. But then, when student VISAs expire, they go home to their country to compete against us, since it's about a 20-year process with our huge backlog, with far too few immigration judges for folks applying for citizenship the legal way. We need immigrants in construction and many, many occupations. Many of the top business professionals are immigrants, as are Trump's wives, at least the current one.

We have NEVER had open borders, and no one I have ever heard is suggesting that. We have big gates at border entry points, drug-sniffing dogs, etc. But not everyone can be checked, so more illegal drugs get through the security at borders and sneak in not at legal border crossings. No one wants open borders, just like no one wants to defund the police; just have more Psy trained to handle some mental calls in addition to regular police. Only idiots would say we have open borders or want to defund the police, typical right-wing lies.
 
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The Republican lie machine keeps repeating this nonsense. I have not heard anyone in context looking for open borders. We badly need immigrants - many doctors in some of our best Universities we have a majority of foreign students. But then, when student VISAs expire, they go home to their country to compete against us, since it's about a 20-year process with our huge backlog, with far too few immigration judges for folks applying for citizenship the legal way. We need immigrants in construction and many, many occupations. Many of the top business professionals are immigrants, as are Trump's wives, at least the current one.

We have NEVER had open borders, and no one I have ever heard is suggesting that. We have big gates at border entry points, drug-sniffing dogs, etc. But not everyone can be checked, so more illegal drugs get through the security at borders and sneak in not at legal border crossings. No one wants open borders, just like no one wants to defund the police; just have more Psy trained to handle some mental calls in addition to regular police. Only idiots would say we have open borders or want to defund the police, typical right-wing lies.
I think you're missing the point of my post.

Arizona shares a southern border with Mexico. The Liberal/ Democrat mindset is that borders should be open to anyone who want to immigrate, and the Conservative/ Republican attitude is that borders should be closed to prevent the influx of 'undesirables'.

All immigrants are NOT created equal. There's a big difference between trying to recruit the 'best and brightest' from foreign countries, as opposed to allowing countries to 'deport' their criminals and their economically unproductive citizens so that the cost of their maintenance will be someone else' burden.

While outwardly the Liberal's attitude appears to be based on compassion, there is underlying self interest involved. My joke referred to affluent by not wealthy suburban housewives wanting to have undocumented servants who would be willing to work for less than minimum wage, if they're paid cash under the table. Perhaps the only sentence they know in Spanish might be 'La jueves sera su dia libre', (Thursday will be your day off).

Here's a different scenario in Canada: The government has a policy called 'the family unification program', whereby former immigrants now established in Canada can sponsor their parents' immigration. What often happens is that old people, often from China, come to Canada. They provide free daycare to their grandchildren when necessary, and otherwise they spend their days rooting through people's recycling bins looking for returnable deposit bottles, and they benefit from free healthcare, and in doing so, they contribute to the time lag for other people to receive medical care. They will line up for any free giveaway, regardless of what it is, and frequently they will attempt to sell items which have been given to them, or which have been donated anonymously by people who leave unneeded items on the sidewalk outside of their homes. They are notorious for butting into lineups - their most common tactic is that they recognize someone they know near the front of the line, they start a conversation, then pretend that they have always been there.

Few of them ever learn either of the official languages of Canada, because they interact socially only within their own demographic group. At the earliest possible date, they apply for Canadian citizenship, and someone tells them the answers to the citizenship test, because they are unable to read it. Once they qualify for government old age pensions, they often return to their home country and live comfortably at Canadian taxpayer's expense, having never contributed anything of note to the Canadian economy. What they do contribute, however, is absentee ballots to Canadian elections, all in favour of the Liberal Party.

I am neither on the Left, nor on the Right politically. I am a member of the 'Doesn't give a shit about politics' party, which is a plurality of eligible voters in Canada. I can proudly state that no one that I have personally voted for has ever won an election of any kind. That allows me to be critical of any elected candidate, or any ruling party. I am an observer of politics, but in no way a participant in the process.
 
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