Trump gives Iran 48-hour ultimatum to reopen Strait of Hormuz: 'Hit and obliterate'

bggolfingmaniac

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Actually, seeing as how you're a fan of the UN, Israel was technically created by UN Resolutions 181 and 273. Your side didn't accept the partition and immediately attempted to destroy the newly created state.

Oh, one more thing - many states around the world were formed messily or through war/revolution. Nothing new.
Those resolutions were a mistake but even so neither side lived by them.
So then you understand why Palestinians are trying to form their own state through armed resistance.
Except that they also have the law on their side.

Imagine doing this to families of refugees living in tents.

 
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Israel has offer peace many times
Palestine and Iran have offered: The extermination of Israel - and nothing else
One side offers peace.

The other side offers extermination.

Which side has killed and destroyed more of the other side?

I am sure the mafia was the side more willing to offer peace
than the side they murdered because they refused to pay
protection money.

And this time I am sure a lot of helpless Iranians in Iran would be
happy to see Israel wiped out from the Earth. That includes Iranians
who have no love for the Ayatollah. But in reality they are not going
to exterminate Israel just because they offer it. Wishing Trump and
Netanyahu to drop dead gives them hope for the death and destruction
raining from the sky to stop. But in reality they don't have the ability to
murder the two warmongers like their enemy could murder their leaders.

If Iran survives in this war waged by Trump and Netanyahu
they would surely need to acquire nuclear weapons to ensure
their future survival. The U.S. and Israel will offer peace but
will remain an existential threat to Iran.
 
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JohnLarue

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One side offers peace.

The other side offers extermination.
that is the cold, hard, and brutal bottom line facts of the matter

Israel has no other option but to fight for survival

good god man, war is nasty and brutal, a war of extermination is hell on earth
if you has only two choices: win or be exterminate, you get real good at winning and fast

Which side has killed and destroyed more of the other side?
WTF ??
the Nazis killed way more Soviets , than the soviets killed Nazis
Did that justify The Nazi's war of extermination?
No !!!

body count does not assign right or wrong

I am sure the mafia was the side more willing to offer peace
than the side they murdered because they refused to pay
protection money.
who is demanding extortion money to sail in the straight right now?

And this time I am sure a lot of helpless Iranians in Iran would be
happy to see Israel wiped out from the Earth. That includes Iranians
who have no love for the Ayatollah
.

nobody likes to get bombed
i am sure many Iranian people also hope the nightmare rule ends soon, so they and their families can live in peace not under tyranny parading as irrational religious devotion

But in reality they are not going
to exterminate Israel just because they offer it
you are wrong
The extermination of Israel is state policy

AI Overview


Yes, the Iranian leadership has maintained a long-standing, official policy and operational goal to eliminate the State of Israel, which it frequently refers to as a "Zionist entity"
. Iran backs this goal by funding, arming, and training anti-Israel proxy militias throughout the region—such as Hezbollah and Hamas—and pursuing advanced missile technology to pose an existential threat to Israel.
if Iran gets nuke, the nutjobs will use them

Wishing Trump and
Netanyahu to drop dead gives them hope for the death and destruction
raining from the sky to stop.
that depends if the Iranian people are as susceptible to propaganda brain washing as you are

But in reality they don't have the ability to
murder the two warmongers like their enemy could murder their leaders.
you need help

murdering foreign leaders is not the priority for the Iranian people, they want to survive and are hoping this nightmare ends soon

the cost of living under intolerant religious nutjobs, who prioritize hate and terrorism over development
Iran is an ass backwards country

Iranians have seen the resources of their country diverted to Terrorist in Syria, Iraq, Yemen , Lebanon and Gaza.
And what do they have to show for it, getting terrorised by their own police state govt and getting bombed for reasons they do not understand
AI Overview
Iran's economy shifted from rapid, oil-fueled modernization under the Shah (1960s-1970s) to a state-dominated system constrained by international sanctions, conflict, and economic isolation after the 1979 Revolution. Pre-1979 saw high growth and high inequality, whereas post-1979 has faced stagnation, severe currency devaluation, and high inflation
If Iran survives in this war waged by Trump and Netanyahu
they would surely need to acquire nuclear weapons to ensure
their future survival.
you are not too quick on the uptake
Iran will never be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons so long as the religious nutjobs are in charge


The U.S. and Israel will offer peace but will remain an existential threat to Iran.
Like I said
Israel has offer peace to Palestine multiple times
Palestine has offered: extermination of Israel and zero compromise on that position

that is the cold, hard, and brutal bottom line facts of the matter

Israel has no other option but to fight for survival
 
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Iran is still launching missiles
...because Israel is still launching missiles. The US and Israel started this mess on false pretenses. Iran was not a week away from launching nukes. Do you swallow all of Trump's lies? The orange turd announced last year that they had decimated the Nuke program. Israel was never seriously threatened, they just like fighting in Iran, Lebanon and Palestine.
 
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Now everyone knows your elevator doesn't go to the top floor. :rolleyes:
You seem to use Iran's raping of young boys to justify war, so I'm just turning that around and using Trump's pedophilia as justification for attacking the US. Seems your still taking the stairs.
 

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that is the cold, hard, and brutal bottom line facts of the matter

Israel has no other option but to fight for survival

good god man, war is nasty and brutal, a war of extermination is hell on earth
if you has only two choices: win or be exterminate, you get real good at winning and fast


WTF ??
the Nazis killed way more Soviets , than the soviets killed Nazis
Did that justify The Nazi's war of extermination?
No !!!

body count does not assign right or wrong



who is demanding extortion money to sail in the straight right now?

.

nobody likes to get bombed
i am sure many Iranian people also hope the nightmare rule ends soon, so they and their families can live in peace not under tyranny parading as irrational religious devotion



you are wrong
The extermination of Israel is state policy



if Iran gets nuke, the nutjobs will use them


that depends if the Iranian people are as susceptible to propaganda brain washing as you are



you need help

murdering foreign leaders is not the priority for the Iranian people, they want to survive and are hoping this nightmare ends soon


Iran is an ass backwards country

Iranians have seen the resources of their country diverted to Terrorist in Syria, Iraq, Yemen , Lebanon and Gaza.
And what do they have to show for it, getting terrorised by their own police state govt and getting bombed for reasons they do not understand




you are not too quick on the uptake
Iran will never be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons so long as the religious nutjobs are in charge



Like I said
Israel has offer peace to Palestine multiple times
Palestine has offered: extermination of Israel and zero compromise on that position

that is the cold, hard, and brutal bottom line facts of the matter

Israel has no other option but to fight for survival
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...because Israel is still launching missiles.
The extermination of Iran is not a state policy objective of Israel
The extermination of Israel is a state policy objective of Iran

You whine about genocide, yet support a country where genocide is an official state policy
What is wrong with you?

Israel would listen if Palestine offered peace . That never happened and never will so long as Iran funds Hamas

The US and Israel started this mess on false pretenses. Iran was not a week away from launching nukes. Do you swallow all of Trump's lies? The orange turd announced last year that they had decimated the Nuke program
So invite Iran to discuss peace, including termination of nuclear weapons development and recognizing The extermination of Israel as a state policy objective of Iran has to change.
Iran's leaders can return to terrorising their own people to satisfy their blood lust


. Israel was never seriously threatened, they just like fighting in Iran, Lebanon and Palestine.
Wrong again
AI Overview
Iran officially denies seeking nuclear weapons, asserting its program is for peaceful energy, yet international concerns remain high. While the
US intelligence community previously assessed Iran ceased a structured weapons program in 2003, IAEA reports indicate it has amassed significant near-60% enriched uranium, a short step from weapons-grade, leading to fears of potential rapid weaponization.

You ignore the fact that these are religious nutjobs i charge of Iran
religious nutjobs who want to exterminate a sovereign state and its 10 million citizens
Mutual assured destruction requires the opposition to be rational
That does not work with irrational religious nutjobs

You can not let hate driven religious nutjobs acquire nuclear weapons, ever !

fighting in Iran, Lebanon and Palestine.
you omitted the Iranian funded Terrorist fighting in Syria, Iraq, Yemen , Lebanon and Gaza.
Every where Iran sends money , turns into a devastated hell hole of death, misery and suffering
yet here you are cheerleading for Iran ????
What is wrong with you?
 

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you still think hate filled bull shit cancel culture works ?
You lack the intelligence and balls to make a logical counter agreement


Like I said
Israel has offered peace to Palestine multiple times
Palestine has offered: extermination of Israel and zero compromise on that position

that is the cold, hard, and brutal bottom line facts of the matter

Israel has no other option but to fight for survival
Any rational person alive would do the same thing
You lie to yourself if you think differently
 

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WTF ??
the Nazis killed way more Soviets , than the soviets killed Nazis
Did that justify The Nazi's war of extermination?
No !!!

body count does not assign right or wrong
Do you seriously believe that more Israelis and Americans were killed
and more of their properties destroyed by Iran and Palestine than the other
way round? And how many of Israel's leaders, scientists and innocent
bystanders or family members around them were murdered by Iran
and Palestine. Body count does not assign right or wrong. It does
assign who the aggressor is.


who is demanding extortion money to sail in the straight right now?
That analogy was meant to show you the bully could be the one who
offers peace.

if Iran gets nuke, the nutjobs will use them
If Iran survives the war it will have to get nukes to
avert future attacks from Israel and its lapdog.





Israel has no other option but to fight for survival
The U.S. and the rest of the world have other option. Iran is
no threat to the survival of the U.S., Russia, China and India.
The world does not revolve around Israel.

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Do you seriously believe that more Israelis and Americans were killed
and more of their properties destroyed by Iran and Palestine than the other
way round?
Do you seriously have a comprehension problem
body count does not assign right or wrong

And how many of Israel's leaders, scientists and innocent
bystanders or family members around them were murdered by Iran
and Palestine.
too many

Body count does not assign right or wrong. It does
assign who the aggressor is.
?????
WTF is wrong with you ?
no Body count does not assign who the aggressor is.

it assigns who is more effective in battle, who has the better weapons , who has the superior battle field commanders and who has the better logistical supply system

Iraq was the aggressor in the Gulf war and the got their asses kicked by far superior military
Japan was the agressor in WW2 andd it got ist ass royally kicked
History is filled with examples of aggressors who made a big aggressive mistake and got destroyed

That analogy was meant to show you the bully could be the one who
offers peace.
that is the stupidest thing i have read on this board

Israel offer peace multiple times and is rejected each and every time
Palestine offers only : Exermination for Israel

And somehow you think you can twist the logic and claim Israel is the aggressor and thus the only one who can offer peace ?

News flash for you
if one of the combatants does not offer or accept peace, will not consider peace and will only accept the extermination of the other combatant
There can be only one outcome: one of the combatants will die
which one dies will determined by the battle and nothing else


If Iran survives the war it will have to get nukes to
avert future attacks from Israel and its lapdog.
No, if Iran survives the war it will because they will drop their desire to acquire nuclear weapons and acknowledge Israel has a right to exist
Iran will never be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons so long as the religious nutjobs are in charge


The U.S. and the rest of the world have other option. Iran is
no threat to the survival of the U.S., Russia, China and India.
The world does not revolve around Israel.
Your hatred of Israel is beyond irrational
You want hate filled religious nutjobs to acquire Nukes ????
hate filled religious nutjobs who hate the west , hate Israel and hate Sunni muslins

what is wrong with you ?

The world does not revolve around Israel.
The world does not want to see the middle east turned into a wasteland by nuclear war
Israel's allies are not going to allow Israel to be nuked by hate filled religious nutjobs

what is wrong with you ?
 
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Do you seriously have a comprehension problem
body count does not assign right or wrong



too many


?????
WTF is wrong with you ?
no Body count does not assign who the aggressor is.

it assigns who is more effective in battle, who has the better weapons , who has the superior battle field commanders and who has the better logistical supply system

Iraq was the aggressor in the Gulf war and the got their asses kicked by far superior military
Japan was the agressor in WW2 andd it got ist ass royally kicked
History is filled with examples of aggressors who made a big aggressive mistake and got destroyed



that is the stupidest thing i have read on this board

Israel offer peace multiple times and is rejected each and every time
Palestine offers only : Exermination for Israel

And somehow you think you can twist the logic and claim Israel is the aggressor and thus the only one who can offer peace ?

News flash for you
if one of the combatants does not offer or accept peace, will not consider peace and will only accept the extermination of the other combatant
There can be only one outcome: one of the combatants will die
which one dies will determined by the battle and nothing else




No, if Iran survives the war it will because they will drop their desire to acquire nuclear weapons and acknowledge Israel has a right to exist
Iran will never be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons so long as the religious nutjobs are in charge




Your hatred of Israel is beyond irrational
You want hate filled religious nutjobs to acquire Nukes ????
hate filled religious nutjobs who hate the west , hate Israel and hate Sunni muslins

what is wrong with you ?



The world does not want to see the middle east turned into a wasteland by nuclear war
Israel's allies are not going to allow Israel to be nuked by hate filled religious nutjobs

what is wrong with you ?
At this point its clear that religious nutjobs in Israel are ascendant and expansionist leaders have the reigns.

And they have nukes.

And they are the aggressors now.

And what they have done is killed all the moderate leaders, leaving hard core IRGC commanders and younger zealots in charge.

I hope you are prepared to watch the destruction of so much oil and civilian infrastructure in the region. It's estimated Iran has 18 months of missiles and over 80,000 drones now. Once troops land they will launch all out war.
 

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If you ignore body count then you can insert any narrative you want.

Back during Trump's first term MGT was talking about Iraq and reperations. I thought it was about time, but it turns out that she wanted Iraq to compensate the US for the cost of dispensing democracy upon Iraq. When you do not consider body count then MGT has a point.
 

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US expected to send ~1,000 paratroopers to Middle East


If body bags become a norm, Trump will get filleted like a trout.

I hope Baron is in the process of enlisting.
 

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Israel has no other option but to fight for survival
Same is now true of Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and most of the countries in the region.

But you have to be absolutely evil to declare that invading and taking over 1/2 of Lebanon is 'fighting for survival' the way that you also think bombing and torturing children is a 'fight for survival'.

Maybe they should just stop trying to kill everyone around them and take their homes.
trump and zionists are terrorists.


 
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Those resolutions were a mistake but even so neither side lived by them.
So then you understand why Palestinians are trying to form their own state through armed resistance.
Except that they also have the law on their side.

Imagine doing this to families of refugees living in tents.

Literally not a word you typed is true in that sentence. I guess I shouldn't be shocked that an anti-Zionist with anti-Semitic leanings disagrees with two UN resolutions that both birthed and legitimized the Jewish State. As for neither side living with those resolutions? Is that your final answer before I prove that wrong too?
 

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Literally not a word you typed is true in that sentence. I guess I shouldn't be shocked that an anti-Zionist with anti-Semitic leanings disagrees with two UN resolutions that both birthed and legitimized the Jewish State. As for neither side living with those resolutions? Is that your final answer before I prove that wrong too?
You can't pick and choose UN resolutions, either you back them all or none.
I say 242 was wrong but it was done and had Israel had lived up to even that one, none of this shit is happening.

Israel is not a legit state, you won't and no zionist will, define the borders of what you think Israel is.

Meanwhile, the zionists in Israel are truly as shitty as the worst of nazis now.

Everytime zionists argue that its antisemitic to be against zionism, you get more of this.

 
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