'Gone too far': Canadians fed up with tipping

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It's kinda funny because while menu knowledge is not needed, waiters actually work harder physically at buffets because of multiple trips to clear plates.

It's ok to tip less but remember tips are also split for hostesses, bartenders etc as well.
Ahhhh so you do work at Mandarin! Bring out more chicken wings Jeeves.
 

Butler1000

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Can I pick up on this a bit?

1) Why do you not mind tipping in restaurants? In Ontario, the minimum wage is pretty decent and, unlike in the USA, waiters are paid at least the minimum wage. Are their jobs harder than the jobs of people in McDonald's? Why do they deserve a tip? Briging food, and checking on you is their job.
2) What does the quality of the food have to do with tipping? Tips go to waiters, not cooks, and waiters have nothing to do with food quality.
3) Why do you tip based on the value of the meal and not a fixed amount? Does bringing steak and expensive wine require more effort than bringing spaghetti and cheaper wine?

Tipping in general and tipping based on the price of the meal is nothing but a stupid, outdated tradition, even in restaurants. Non-expected fixed amount tipping for very good service is OK, but it should be like 1 out of 5 times you go to a restaurant, not every time. Tipping must be something you want to do, not be expected to do, and servers should be happy when they get a tip, even a small one, but not expect it. Like when you tip $50 an agency SP or an MP after a really good session - for me, it happens about 10% of the time.
I guess there can be other factors to consider. Menu knowledge is one thing, for with food and drink. Creating a flawless atmosphere in fine dining. I've been to places where from the moment I handed them my coat to the end, an almost 3 hour experience with a prefix menu, it was flawless, I asked for nothing.

There is a lot of side work that occurs. For waiters. Cripes we even have to check under tables for gum regularly. Lots of set up. Closing duties.

Btw many restaurants the line gets tipped out as well. I agree there can be disparity based on menu pricing. But those places are far more exacting in responsibility and service levels as well. And believe me waiters hear about it if anything goes wrong. It's the waiters job to read the table, time the food(and some people can be quite picky) ensure correctness, and basically be the go between and advocate for the table.

Sure, get rid of tipping, but be prepared for a nice hike in a labor intensive industry that can't be mitigated by AI.
 
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Butler1000

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Ahhhh so you do work at Mandarin! Bring out more chicken wings Jeeves.
A different one. About two years. Good cash, big sections, low expectations, autograt on large parties, which was common. Done by 10ish every night. And a free meal. But ya, harder work physically.

I worked them all. Biker owned bar, Skydome area bar, steakhouse, French, Italian, Buffet, French service out west resort, bartender in clubs. Boat cruises. Worked for gangsters at least three times. Did some private catered corporate gigs on the side for chefs I knew, usually to impress clients.

It's all different but the same skill set.
 
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Butler1000

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I bet you got some stories, eh? 🤮 :ROFLMAO:
You have no idea how weird people are. And by that I mean EVERYONE is a bit weird. Gives you perspective on how people work. To absolutely not judge a book by the cover.

And I'm always fun a cocktail parties with stories.
 
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I don't mind tipping at restaurants especially when the food is good and the same thing when I get takeout from those same restaurants, otherwise no tips for any other places. And when I tip, it's based on the value of the meal, NOT including taxes.

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This is exactly what is supposed to happen.
 
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I never understood why guys in this hobby would tip or if some ladies acted like they deserved or wanted a tip. Factor it in your price and stop being overly greedy.

As for these take out order tips it's no different than me also going grocery shopping. It would be cringy af once the grocery store industry starts putting tips as an option for the card machine.

Been in this game for almost 25 years and I have never tipped a lady once. If someone books one at $250H that's roughly already $30/h. A lot more than some min wage worker.
I tip SPs when I am happy. I want to show my appreciation if I really liked the girl. It happens about 10% of the time. Not because I am expected to tip or they ask for a tip (if they ask for a tip, nor will they get a tip, nor will I see them again). I am very cheap with tips at restaurants, but I always tip hotel maids (if my room is cleaned properly and I have enough towels/coffee/etc. in it) and often put coins in tip jars at fast-food/pizza/coffee shops (if they smile at me and say a few nice words). And I always hit "no tip" prompt on the machine, and if I see such a prompt, my desire to put a coin in the tip jar is greatly reduced. In short, I am tipping for me, not for them. When I am expected to tip, I do the bare minimum, because it is no longer a gratuity but extortion.
 

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For much of recorded history, the role of food servant had been filled by those in bondage, indentured servitude, or those of a lesser social class. Tipping eases White Guilt as a symbolic gesture of reparation towards a demographic which has traditionally been marginalized.

This also explains why people of colour are, traditionally, the worst tippers.
Can I pick up on this a bit?

1) Why do you not mind tipping in restaurants? In Ontario, the minimum wage is pretty decent and, unlike in the USA, waiters are paid at least the minimum wage. Are their jobs harder than the jobs of people in McDonald's? Why do they deserve a tip? Briging food, and checking on you is their job.
2) What does the quality of the food have to do with tipping? Tips go to waiters, not cooks, and waiters have nothing to do with food quality.
3) Why do you tip based on the value of the meal and not a fixed amount? Does bringing steak and expensive wine require more effort than bringing spaghetti and cheaper wine?

Tipping in general and tipping based on the price of the meal is nothing but a stupid, outdated tradition, even in restaurants. Non-expected fixed amount tipping for very good service is OK, but it should be like 1 out of 5 times you go to a restaurant, not every time. Tipping must be something you want to do, not be expected to do, and servers should be happy when they get a tip, even a small one, but not expect it. Like when you tip $50 an agency SP or an MP after a really good session - for me, it happens about 10% of the time.

 

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It's kinda funny because while menu knowledge is not needed, waiters actually work harder physically at buffets because of multiple trips to clear plates.

It's ok to tip less but remember tips are also split for hostesses, bartenders etc as well.
I use the same plate 😂
 
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onomatopoeia

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$7? Am I so old that I still remember their famous "$5 footlong" promotion that lasted several years?
Seven Canadian dollars is five dollars American, more or less.

There's a Subway restaurant on Dundas Street East, near Victoria Street*, just east of Yonge. The management intentionally tunes the radio so that it's between two stations, and the broadcast signal slightly overlap. It's incredibly annoying to hear distorted music with a hint of talk radio at the same time. They do this to discourage homeless people from buying a small coffee and nursing it for hours at one of the few service tables. It's like a bug zapper, for people.

*I'm assuming that the street is still named Victoria, instead of having been renamed after some visible minority figure who did something that matters to people who complain about everything.
 
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It's always about recovering money, except its not recovering money they just want more money despite never losing any money to recover
 

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Seven Canadian dollars is five dollars American, more or less.

There's a Subway restaurant on Dundas Street East, near Victoria Street*, just east of Yonge. The management intentionally tunes the radio so that it's between two stations, and the broadcast signal slightly overlap. It's incredibly annoying to hear distorted music with a hint of talk radio at the same time. They do this to discourage homeless people from buying a small coffee and nursing it for hours at one of the few service tables. It's like a bug zapper, for people.

*I'm assuming that the street is still named Victoria, instead of having been renamed after some visible minority figure who did something that matters to people who complain about everything.
I guess, I am too old: still remember times (13 years ago, right around that promotion) when CAD was at par with USD :cry:
 
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I hate the tipping culture here - I don’t mind tipping when I get exceptional service from the server though
 
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