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Insidious Von said:
They are mostly West Bank settlers who want the region ethnically cleansed of Palestinians. That's a lovely democracy isn't it.
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you confuse self defense with ethnic cleansing
Israel has made multiple offers of peace to the Palestinians - All rejected
Palestinians refuse to make peace

Here is a list of peace offers which would have granted the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.
1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).
1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).
1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.
2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2020 "Deal of the Century": Rejected by the Palestinian Authority.

Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel -None.

you can’t make peace with someone who’s identity revolves around killing you

you are given only two choices:
  1. Be exterminated
  2. Takeout those that seek to exterminate you
which would you choose?
are you capable of providing a straightforward answer 1 or 2, to a straight forward question?
 
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southpaw said:
But it is one of the issues. It should get a 5 second mention in a 30 second ad. Yet not a word, in all those ads. Here's why.

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No...that's not how ads work. They don't mention every single issue, they just focus on a few. And these candidates have indeed made their stance on current foreign policy issues clear.
 
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Insidious Von said:
Well then, why don't you tell us what actual fascism is. Israel stopped being a democracy over a decade ago. The Knesset is controlled by Orthodox religious parties supporting Likud. They are mostly West Bank settlers who want the region ethnically cleansed of Palestinians. That's a lovely democracy isn't it.
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Nazi Germany was actual fascism.

Israel is a democracy, and the fact that there are religious parties in the Knesset is no different than Republicans in Congress. Israel doesn't run on religious law, and excluding the religious population from government would be actually akin to fascism.

Also, 70% of West Bank settlers live peacefully on the Green Line and are not "cleansing" anyone. It's only the 30% of ultra religious nuts who do that. The West Bank Palestinians are also guilty of their own sins like financially supporting terrorists through the "martyr fund."
 
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Frankfooter said:
Sorry, morningglory, but there are shit tone of legal decisions and reports finding Israel to be apartheid and zero saying so for any Arab countries.
That's a total fail.

zionist morals.....
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Lmao! It's hilarious you would attempt to deny the obvious gender apartheid in Arab countries. I can't even begin to take you seriously.

Unlike Arab countries, Israel functions as a democracy with equal rights for all, and occupation of Palestine is not the same thing as apartheid.
 
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MorningWoodGlory22 said:
Nazi Germany was actual fascism.

Israel is a democracy, and the fact that there are religious parties in the Knesset is no different than Republicans in Congress. Israel doesn't run on religious law, and excluding the religious population from government would be actually akin to fascism.

Also, 70% of West Bank settlers live peacefully on the Green Line and are not "cleansing" anyone. It's only the 30% of ultra religious nuts who do that. The West Bank Palestinians are also guilty of their own sins like financially supporting terrorists through the "martyr fund."
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No, Israel is a terrorist state committing genocide and ruling through apartheid.
Only terrorists blow up so many hospitals.

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MorningWoodGlory22 said:
No...that's not how ads work. They don't mention every single issue, they just focus on a few.
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But they never msntion this specific issue in any of the ads? I shared two podcasters, each with over a million subscribers. But they don't know how ads work?

The thing about buying politicians is that they're not loyal. They dont care about your cause. They'll do your bidding only while it serves their interests.

No amount of money will be enough if they can't get elected. Support for this issue is dropping fast. Thats why it wasn't mentioned.
 
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Frankfooter said:
They are the terrorism.
Israel and america are the biggest terrorists in the world.
Israel, Cuba, Venezuela....
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Hilarious. Go live among Hamas or witness the slavery of Dubai. Or get a time machine to when Maduro ruled Venezuela and then tell me who the terrorists are.
 
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Frankfooter said:
No, Israel is a terrorist state committing genocide and ruling through apartheid.
Only terrorists blow up so many hospitals.
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Maybe Hamas shouldn't be launching rockets from hospitals then.
Israel is a democracy with equal rights for all, apartheid does not exist between occupier and occupied, since latter are not Israeli's. That's not how the term works.
All these cries of genocide, and yet the ICJ has not ruled it a genocide, nor will it.
 
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southpaw said:
But they never msntion this specific issue in any of the ads? I shared two podcasters, each with over a million subscribers. But they don't know how ads work?

The thing about buying politicians is that they're not loyal. They dont care about your cause. They'll do your bidding only while it serves their interests.

No amount of money will be enough if they can't get elected. Support for this issue is dropping fast. Thats why it wasn't mentioned.
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They don't go through all the issues in an ad...ads usually focus on one issue. You have to look up their platform for all the issues. And support has dropped yet the majority of Americans still support Israel and rightly so.
 
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southpaw said:
Is a majority more than half or less than half?

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Less Than Half in U.S. Now Sympathetic Toward Israelis

More Americans express sympathy for the Israelis (46%) than the Palestinians (33%) in the Middle East situation, but the margin has shrunk to a new low.
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46% is a lot closer to 51% than 33%. So while I'm sure you can find some polls like this where it's less than half, the point is Americans still support Israel over Palestine by a wide margin. And when Hamas attacks Palestine compared to when IDF is bombing Gaza, it's a much bigger gap.

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MorningWoodGlory22 said:
46% is a lot closer to 51% than 33%. So while I'm sure you can find some polls like this where it's less than half, the point is Americans still support Israel over Palestine by a wide margin.
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Its not an absolute majority, as you claimed. A few years ago, it was. Its trending down. With the new war on Iran, it may drop further, if they see their soldiers return in bodybags.

For now, Americans may support Israel more than Palestine, but will they support Israel more than America? The longer this war drags on, the more likely they are to not.

The high gas prices aren't helping either. Lets see what this poll looks like a year from now. Every politician who wants to run in 2028 sure will.
 
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