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Toronto has the largest market in the CFL, and the lowest attendance, (less than half of Winnipeg). With so many other entertainment options, there's no guarantee that the crowds will show up for a fringe sport, and let's be realistic - WNBA is a fringe sport. Perhaps attendance might be good initially, but is there sustainability in this market?

Arena Football didn't last long here. I saw one game because they were giving away free tickets at a blood donor clinic. I was sitting around the midfield stripe in the first few rows of the upper deck. Part way through the first quarter, an usher came to our section, and told everyone to move down to empty seats in the lower bowl. They wanted the TV audience to have the false impression that the arena was full. The Phantoms were gone after two seasons.

I vaguely remember a team named The Toronto Shooting Stars. I don't remember the sport, but it might have been Roller Skate Hockey, or indoor soccer. I just remember that The New VR had broadcasting rights. I can't even find a mention of the team on the Internet.

Time will tell if Toronto wants a permanent WNBA franchise, or whether the team will have relocated before the scheduled expansion ends in 2030.

I could see ticket giveaways being a marketing strategy early on, but the fans who shell out real money for good seats likely won't do that for long if the person sitting next to them got in for a Harvey's coupon and a canned food donation to a food bank.
In the case of the WNBA and the PWHL, I wonder if you have to take into account the percentage of a city's population that is gay(specifically lesbian).
 

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Toronto has the largest market in the CFL, and the lowest attendance, (less than half of Winnipeg). With so many other entertainment options, there's no guarantee that the crowds will show up for a fringe sport, and let's be realistic - WNBA is a fringe sport. Perhaps attendance might be good initially, but is there sustainability in this market?

Arena Football didn't last long here. I saw one game because they were giving away free tickets at a blood donor clinic. I was sitting around the midfield stripe in the first few rows of the upper deck. Part way through the first quarter, an usher came to our section, and told everyone to move down to empty seats in the lower bowl. They wanted the TV audience to have the false impression that the arena was full. The Phantoms were gone after two seasons.

I vaguely remember a team named The Toronto Shooting Stars. I don't remember the sport, but it might have been Roller Skate Hockey, or indoor soccer. I just remember that The New VR had broadcasting rights. I can't even find a mention of the team on the Internet.

Time will tell if Toronto wants a permanent WNBA franchise, or whether the team will have relocated before the scheduled expansion ends in 2030.

I could see ticket giveaways being a marketing strategy early on, but the fans who shell out real money for good seats likely won't do that for long if the person sitting next to them got in for a Harvey's coupon and a canned food donation to a food bank.
You said in your previous post the Toronto WNBA franchise could be bottom feeders for multiple years. I responded by saying they need not be bottom feeders and cited the Golden State Valkyries as an example. And if they perform well like the Valkyries did, attendance will be good. That's it! Everything else is gibberish.
 

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You said in your previous post the Toronto WNBA franchise could be bottom feeders for multiple years. I responded by saying they need not be bottom feeders and cited the Golden State Valkyries as an example. And if they perform well like the Valkyries did, attendance will be good. That's it! Everything else is gibberish.
When the franchise which joined the league a year before you is competitive, the chances of being a bottom feeder are that much greater. In the NHL, every team can potentially have a record over .500, because of the way overtime games are compensated. For every winner in basketball, there has to be a loser. The Toronto Tempo are not going to have a talent advantage over any team, except perhaps the other expansion team joining at the same time. Can you name an expansion team in any sport, other than the 2025 Valkyries, which had a winning record in their first season? I can't, and I write Sports Trivia questions.

Consider how the Blue Jays' attendance in the past 30 years has fluctuated, based on their on-field performance. There is no built-in audience for Women's Basketball in Toronto. Some people will attend at first, because it's new. If the on court product is competitive, they'll come back. If it isn't, they might not.

The new CBA does a Canadian team no favours. The minimum salary increases and the weak Canadian dollar necessarily make ticket prices higher in Canada. The ownership group is gambling that a Toronto franchise will be embraced by both the paying and the television audience. The number of people who will want to watch the 20 or more home games when Caitlin Clark isn't in town is anyone's guess. The team MIGHT be successful, but that's far from a guarantee.
 

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When the franchise which joined the league a year before you is competitive, the chances of being a bottom feeder are that much greater. In the NHL, every team can potentially have a record over .500, because of the way overtime games are compensated. For every winner in basketball, there has to be a loser. The Toronto Tempo are not going to have a talent advantage over any team, except perhaps the other expansion team joining at the same time. Can you name an expansion team in any sport, other than the 2025 Valkyries, which had a winning record in their first season? I can't, and I write Sports Trivia questions.

Consider how the Blue Jays' attendance in the past 30 years has fluctuated, based on their on-field performance. There is no built-in audience for Women's Basketball in Toronto. Some people will attend at first, because it's new. If the on court product is competitive, they'll come back. If it isn't, they might not.

The new CBA does a Canadian team no favours. The minimum salary increases and the weak Canadian dollar necessarily make ticket prices higher in Canada. The ownership group is gambling that a Toronto franchise will be embraced by both the paying and the television audience. The number of people who will want to watch the 20 or more home games when Caitlin Clark isn't in town is anyone's guess. The team MIGHT be successful, but that's far from a guarantee.
The Valkyries showed there is a formula for success from the get go. And that is to build around a stout defence and going for high percentage shots - post play and medium jumpers instead of crazy 3 point attempts.
Unfortunately, in selecting Sandy Brondello as their new head coach, they went for a big name who is not known for her defensive prowess. Doesnt augur well.
 

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Lrts hope that with a favourable CBA the players change their attitude toward the meal ticket. They need to stop trying to take out one of her eyes.


Unlike Kareem Abdul Jabbar she can't stand up for herself by knocking out a 7 footer.
 
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Can you name an expansion team in any sport, other than the 2025 Valkyries, which had a winning record in their first season? I can't, and I write Sports Trivia questions.
2017/18 Vegas Golden Knights 51-24-7. Also, they made the Finals that year.
 

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He gave you an expansion team in the NHL with a winning record in answer to your question. And now you are back asking for another. You are off the rails
I could name more than thirty expansion teams which performed poorly in their early seasons.

It's way too early for you or I to know if the WNBA will thrive in the Toronto sports market. What I don't expect is for the team to invest heavily in free agent talent to try to be competitive immediately, as the Vegas Knights did. I think they will adopt a 'wait and see' approach to gauge fan interest before making any long term salary commitments. I wonder how many Toronto sports fans will pay money or tune in live if the team rarely wins.
 

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Lexie Hull and Sophie Cunningham are both free agents...they're not going anywhere. The Fever must extended Aliyah Boston's contract, her defense gives CC the freedom to run the floor.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5N_rMpyvZfg

Aliyah Boston is crucial if The Fever wants to be a serious contender.

 
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Lexie Hull and Sophie Cunningham are both free agents...they're not going anywhere. The Fever must extended Aliyah Boston's contract, her defense gives CC the freedom to run the floor.

Aliyah Boston is crucial if The Fever wants to be a serious contender.
How the new CBA affects the Fever:

Kelsey Mitchell, their top scorer, is eligible for a max of $1.4 million. They have to keep her
Aliyah Boston was a second team all WNBA. She is eligible for a max of $1.4 million. They have to keep her
CC is due $530,000 this year.
Every team has to carry 12 players.
With the salary cap being $7 million, the Fever might not be able to afford Lexie Hull and Sophie Cunningham
 

Insidious Von

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Thanks for the stats Prince.

CC runs the show and she's adorable...just like Joker.


This confounds me, the Pelicans are losers. Why can't Zion Williamson play against other teams like he did against Wemby?
 
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