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Only one House Dem voted in favor of voter ID, proof of citizenship in US elections

JohnLarue

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That's the issue - proof of citizenship. Not showing an ID. A drivers license in USA does not prove citizenship.
Only original Birth certificate accepted, apparently copies of BC are not valid. Must match name exactly. Thus as mentioned before that will likely exclude many married women.
there is no issue
individuals (i.e. most) who have updated their documentary proof of citizenship (which can include things like a REAL ID, passport, or government-issued identification with their place of birth), no action is needed, and they can register to vote.
if you want to vote, you get ID


For the small fraction of individuals who have not yet updated their documentation to reflect a name change, which most do immediately for other life purposes, the SAVE Act explicitly directs states to establish a process for them to register to vote irrespective of those discrepancies.
if your password expires, you update your password
if you want to drive, you apply to get a drivers licence
if you want to vote, you get ID and you pay the cost of obtaining ID
Canadians have been paying for ID since ... forever?

Passports would work. Half of Americans do not have one. They cost around $160 and take weeks to get them. If they were interested in protecting voter rights they'd waive the passport fees as part of this bill
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did you pay to get your Canadian passport updated,? they are valid for 5 or 10 years,
if you want a passport , you pay the cost of obtaining a passport
if you want to vote, you get ID and you pay the cost of obtaining ID
Canadians have been paying for ID since ... forever?

Otherwise it looks like a poll tax, which is outlawed by constitutional amendment.
as you say the constitutional amendment outlaws a poll tax,
it does not outlaw voter ID requirements
it does not outlaw what a disingenuous loonie left ballot box stuffer claims voter ID ""looks like''
you will not find 'looks like ' in government legislation

""Otherwise it looks like"'

I will tell you what this looks like

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy


I believe the law also wants to federalize voter roll access, even though the US constitution gives states control.
There is no limit to your desire to pervert democracy

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders;: in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy

BTW there are less than 50 cases of documented voter fraud cases identified over the past 20 or so years by both liberal and conservative groups.
Oh Boy !!
very little of the massive volumes of illegal drugs smuggled across the boarders are documented and identified
it is ridiculous to claim there is no issue because very few get caught !!!! WTF were you smoking ?

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy

Moreover, even in states without ID you still have to give your name and sign the voter roll. So if you're a fraudster you have to go to the correct polling station of the person you're impersonating, give a name that is on that list for that precinct, then sign the form in a way that matches the signature of the person you're impersonating. You cannot show up and vote. You have to be registered.
if you want to vote, you get ID
In Canada To vote at the federal election you have to prove your identity and address. There are three ways to do this:
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Note option 1 : the requirement for Govt issued ID with a current address:
The Canadian system very wisely requires a current address so that a party can not bus in thousands of voters into a riding (the Chicago way- 1960 JFK courtesy of Joe Kennedys money / Sam Giancana's muscle)

Note Option 2: Same current address requirement
One of Health Card, bank statement, both of which require Government issued Id to obtain

note option 3
you can have someone vouch for you
The Canadian system very wisely allows for only one vouch per citizen
And the voucher must prove their identity and address
the reason; To prevent massive illegal ballot box stuffing and perversion of democracy- Stacy Abrams

if you want to vote, you get ID
Your disingenuous excuses looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy
a perversion of democracy.

if you want to vote, you get ID

who do you want elected?
The candidate who won the true trust of the legal electorate
The candidate who is better at gaming the system via open boarders policy

you want both a welfare state and open boarders
the latter will corrupt and bankrupt the former very quickly
 
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Butler1000

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there is no issue

if you want to vote, you get ID




if your password expires, you update your password
if you want to drive, you apply to get a drivers licence
if you want to vote, you get ID and you pay the cost of obtaining ID
Canadians have been paying for ID since ... forever?

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did you pay to get your Canadian passport updated,? they are valid for 5 or 10 years,
if you want a passport , you pay the cost of obtaining a passport
if you want to vote, you get ID and you pay the cost of obtaining ID
Canadians have been paying for ID since ... forever?


as you say the constitutional amendment outlaws a poll tax,
it does not outlaw voter ID requirements
it does not outlaw what a disingenuous loonie left ballot box stuffer claims voter ID ""looks like''
you will not find 'looks like ' in government legislation

""Otherwise it looks like"'

I will tell you what this looks like

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy



There is no limit to your desire to pervert democracy

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders;: in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy


Oh Boy !!
very little of the massive volumes of illegal drugs smuggled across the boarders are documented and identified
it is ridiculous to claim there is no issue because very few get caught !!!! WTF were you smoking ?

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy



if you want to vote, you get ID
In Canada To vote at the federal election you have to prove your identity and address. There are three ways to do this:
View attachment 566777
Note option 1 : the requirement for Govt issued ID with a current address:
The Canadian system very wisely requires a current address so that a party can not bus in thousands of voters into a riding (the Chicago way- 1960 JFK courtesy of Joe Kennedys money / Sam Giancana's muscle)

Note Option 2: Same current address requirement
One of Health Card, bank statement, both of which require Government issued Id to obtain

note option 3
you can have someone vouch for you
The Canadian system very wisely allows for only one vouch per citizen
And the voucher must prove their identity and address
the reason; To prevent massive illegal ballot box stuffing and perversion of democracy- Stacy Abrams

if you want to vote, you get ID
Your disingenuous excuses looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy
a perversion of democracy.

if you want to vote, you get ID

who do you want elected?
The candidate who won the true trust of the legal electorate
The candidate who is better at gaming the system via open boarders policy

you want both a welfare state and open boarders
the latter will corrupt and bankrupt the former very quickly
Why do you keep thinking we are discussing changes to the Canadian system and bringing it up?

We are discussing the USA system. And the proposed SAVE Act.
 

Frankfooter

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there is no issue

if you want to vote, you get ID




if your password expires, you update your password
if you want to drive, you apply to get a drivers licence
if you want to vote, you get ID and you pay the cost of obtaining ID
Canadians have been paying for ID since ... forever?

.

did you pay to get your Canadian passport updated,? they are valid for 5 or 10 years,
if you want a passport , you pay the cost of obtaining a passport
if you want to vote, you get ID and you pay the cost of obtaining ID
Canadians have been paying for ID since ... forever?


as you say the constitutional amendment outlaws a poll tax,
it does not outlaw voter ID requirements
it does not outlaw what a disingenuous loonie left ballot box stuffer claims voter ID ""looks like''
you will not find 'looks like ' in government legislation

""Otherwise it looks like"'

I will tell you what this looks like

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy



There is no limit to your desire to pervert democracy

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders;: in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy


Oh Boy !!
very little of the massive volumes of illegal drugs smuggled across the boarders are documented and identified
it is ridiculous to claim there is no issue because very few get caught !!!! WTF were you smoking ?

this looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy



if you want to vote, you get ID
In Canada To vote at the federal election you have to prove your identity and address. There are three ways to do this:
View attachment 566777
Note option 1 : the requirement for Govt issued ID with a current address:
The Canadian system very wisely requires a current address so that a party can not bus in thousands of voters into a riding (the Chicago way- 1960 JFK courtesy of Joe Kennedys money / Sam Giancana's muscle)

Note Option 2: Same current address requirement
One of Health Card, bank statement, both of which require Government issued Id to obtain

note option 3
you can have someone vouch for you
The Canadian system very wisely allows for only one vouch per citizen
And the voucher must prove their identity and address
the reason; To prevent massive illegal ballot box stuffing and perversion of democracy- Stacy Abrams

if you want to vote, you get ID
Your disingenuous excuses looks like the real reason democrats purposely and deliberately supported open boarders; in order to win elections that they could not win on merit or policy
a perversion of democracy.

if you want to vote, you get ID

who do you want elected?
The candidate who won the true trust of the legal electorate
The candidate who is better at gaming the system via open boarders policy

you want both a welfare state and open boarders
the latter will corrupt and bankrupt the former very quickly
You want people to have to pay $160 to renew a passport in order to vote?
 
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Valcazar

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if you want to vote, you get ID
In Canada To vote at the federal election you have to prove your identity and address. There are three ways to do this:
View attachment 566777
Note option 1 : the requirement for Govt issued ID with a current address:
The Canadian system very wisely requires a current address so that a party can not bus in thousands of voters into a riding (the Chicago way- 1960 JFK courtesy of Joe Kennedys money / Sam Giancana's muscle)

Note Option 2: Same current address requirement
One of Health Card, bank statement, both of which require Government issued Id to obtain

note option 3
you can have someone vouch for you
The Canadian system very wisely allows for only one vouch per citizen
And the voucher must prove their identity and address
the reason; To prevent massive illegal ballot box stuffing and perversion of democracy- Stacy Abrams
Fantastic.
Do you consider this a fair and equitable system?
Or is it too lax and needs to be restricted further?
 

kherg007

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gee what a coincidence for the democrats and she still lost to a nasty vindictive , mean spirited Trump
she cheated via open boarders and still got thumped/ Trumped.
That pretty much defines ''rejection''
Was the system that elected Trump and a republican majority in both houses so hopelessly rigged and unfair and corrupted that it has to be overhauled?
 

JohnLarue

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Was the system that elected Trump and a republican majority in both houses so hopelessly rigged and unfair and corrupted that it has to be overhauled?
you lack the integrity to lose with dignity

The overwhelming advantages of democracy are
  1. the will of the citizens/ electorate determines which party governs
  2. the will of the citizens/ electorate is able to remove a poor / bad / corrupt governing party
Provided the electoral process is not corrupted
The electoral process is the absolute foundational corner stone of a democracy.
a corrupted electoral process ensures corrupt goverance

The democrats open boarders / no voter ID policies corrupts the electoral process


both policies are designed for the primary benefit of the democratic party and are a huge determent to the electorate by overriding the will of the electorate
in addition, you can not have open boarders if the government funds services to the population.
That is financially unsustainable as there is no limit of people willing to cross an uncontrolled boarder to obtain a handout.
The open boarder / no voter ID has to be fixed

If a party can not win an election without perverting the electoral process then they are not fit to govern a democracy.
And they need the rude slap in the face of an election loss or perhaps multiple consecutive election losses.
 

Frankfooter

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you lack the integrity to lose with dignity

The overwhelming advantages of democracy are
  1. the will of the citizens/ electorate determines which party governs
  2. the will of the citizens/ electorate is able to remove a poor / bad / corrupt governing party
Provided the electoral process is not corrupted
The electoral process is the absolute foundational corner stone of a democracy.
a corrupted electoral process ensures corrupt goverance

The democrats open boarders / no voter ID policies corrupts the electoral process


both policies are designed for the primary benefit of the democratic party and are a huge determent to the electorate by overriding the will of the electorate
in addition, you can not have open boarders if the government funds services to the population.
That is financially unsustainable as there is no limit of people willing to cross an uncontrolled boarder to obtain a handout.
The open boarder / no voter ID has to be fixed

If a party can not win an election without perverting the electoral process then they are not fit to govern a democracy.
And they need the rude slap in the face of an election loss or perhaps multiple consecutive election losses.
Nobody believes you.

 

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"Only one House Dem voted in favor of voter ID, proof of citizenship in US elections" shows that even among Democrats there are people with common sense.
 

Valcazar

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If a party can not win an election without perverting the electoral process then they are not fit to govern a democracy.
And they need the rude slap in the face of an election loss or perhaps multiple consecutive election losses.
If you believe this, why are you supporting the GOP in their efforts to pervert the electoral process?
 

JohnLarue

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If you believe this, why are you supporting the GOP in their efforts to pervert the electoral process?
i don't support the GOP, I am not a US citizen and thus ineligible to vote or donate to US political campaigns

i can however highlight how the democrats election strategy of open boarders and no voter ID do pervert the electoral process
i can also highlight how the democrats election strategy is doomed for failure and they need to smarten up
open boarders and no voter ID are not in the best interest of the electorate.

Both problems need to be fixed

You are free to critique the GOPs election strategy and i know you do
However whatever you don't like about the GOP , does not change the fact: open boarders and no voter ID do pervert the electoral process
And you know this
 

JohnLarue

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you are outraged a government requires money to issue an ID. Identification which is just about essential to function in a society
but you insist government must tax people into poverty for the odorless , non reactive, trace gas of life

you have zero self awareness and no idea how foolish you are

you should be concerned why nobody believes you
 
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