It is a desperate tactic by Trump to avoid being trounced at the polls.
Only one House Dem voted in favor of voter ID, proof of citizenship in US elections
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The worry is that the law requires your name to be the same as your birth certificate.
So married women would need to come with a passport and birth certificate to confirm ID and vote, IIRC.
My point was about illegitimately tapping into Federal money.
States like Minnesota and California appeared to be recalcitrant about the Feds investigating fraud.
I am fine with Red states, any state being investigated.
The problem is the two parties start with extreme positions and refuse to compromise.
The progressive wing of the Democratic party has not really been interested in many voting regulations.
Long before this SAVE act debate, I said I would be fine with something similar to Canadian election laws.
You have to realize this isn't a new topic here. It's several years old. A few members would reflexively echo what they were hearing on American media. We Americans would have to say "umm yeah, that proposal is basically the election law in Canada".
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I am asked for my license or passport every time I go to the polling station. I think there are other methods to conditionally prove your identity.
I believe California actually has a State law that counties can't ask for any identification. That seems odd and certainly out of step with most of the States.
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Remember when the feds pretended to be investigating fraud and instead sent in ICE goons and people got killed?
But the GOP absolutely wouldn't be, since they've never proposed anything like that and were revealed in court records to be deliberately trying to suppress the vote via voter ID.
You may well be fine with Canadian law - I laid it out for you above.
But, as you know, you aren't the one proposing the laws.
When a law seems so odd, maybe you should look it up and not just go with "I believe".
Only driver's license or passport as acceptable ID? Damn, that's strict. What state is that?
Per Ballotpedia: California does not require voters to present identification before casting a ballot in most cases.
On September 29, 2024, Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed SB 1174 into law prohibiting any jurisdiction in the state from adopting a local law that requires voters to present ID before voting.
PS- It's been apparent for some time that you have been determined to challenge me and disagree with me in an impertinent manner.
You are not the first member here to take up this cause. I view that as a form of trolling.
that is just plain stupid and disingenuous
women have been changing their names for marriage since long before they have been voting
the democrats required ID to volunteer to shovel snow
But no ID to vote???
Want to drive a car ? Get ID
Want to buy booze? Get ID
Want to marry? Get ID
Want to attend post secondary education ? Get ID
Want to open a bank account? Get ID
Want to cash a cheque? Get ID
Want to vote ? Get ID
if the democrats can not win an election without illegal voting/ stuffing ballot boxes then they do not deserve the privilege/ honour to govern on behalf of legal US citizens
Should the conservatives bus 50,000 Albertans into one of the Federal by-elections to be held in Ontario to preserve a minority and save our country from the destructive Liberals?
No , they do not have proof of residency in that riding and are ineligible to vote in that riding
You really should start showing more respect to your intended audience
They are not rubes to be intentionally lied to
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Right. It is plain stupid. The new SAVE ACT proposes that unless the photo ID EXACTLY matches the birth certificate the person can't vote. Period. Which means anyone who ever changed their name, including for marriage, could be discluded from voting.
It's a badly written law. Thats the point. By the way. It's a USA law. We are fine here. We are just discussing it.
Vote fraud in 2020 you say ?
Odd how Stacy Abrams and the democratic machine was able to produce a record number of voters 2020 , over 21 million new voters relative to 2016
then 5 million of the democratic voters disappeared when the oversight was strengthened for 2024
The democrats were scared out of their wits that Trump might win in 2024
So scared, 6 million supposed legal democrat voters said , screw it I will not vote this time
it was almost like those 6 million supposed legal democrat voters did not ever exist
go figure
Voter turnout in United States presidential elections - Wikipedia
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The democrats should have been able to mop the floor with the abrasive nasty, mean spirited and vindictive Donald Trump as the republican candidate
They chose a brain dead cackling fool to run as their DEI candidate and not surprisingly they lost
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SAVE Act Myth vs Fact - U.S. Representative Barry Loudermilk
H.R. 22 – The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act Rep. Chip Roy’s SAVE Act (H.R.22) will address this by requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote in Federal elections to ensure the integrity of our elections. It amends the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) to require...
loudermilk.house.gov
want to vote: Get ID
if you are recently married : Get you documentation updated so you can drive, buy booze, attend post secondary education, open a bank account cash a cheque , legally collect welfare or shovel snow in communist New York City
no it appears the bad part is deliberate misinformation by the loonie left
who do not understand what a privilege the ability to cast a vote in a democracy is
The perpetually corrupt liberal part of Gerald Butts discussing voter fraud schemes is a concern
The liberals do not discuss things unless they get a political advantage from it
Yes, counties can't override state law.
A surprisingly unsurprising law.
I am very sorry that you find anyone challenging you impertinent.
You might want to work on that.
Real ID does not prove citizenshipSAVE Act Myth vs Fact - U.S. Representative Barry Loudermilk
H.R. 22 – The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act Rep. Chip Roy’s SAVE Act (H.R.22) will address this by requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote in Federal elections to ensure the integrity of our elections. It amends the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) to require...
want to vote: Get ID
if you are recently married : Get you documentation updated so you can drive, buy booze, attend post secondary education, open a bank account cash a cheque , legally collect welfare or shovel snow in communist New York City
no it appears the bad part is deliberate misinformation by the loonie left
who do not understand what a privilege the ability to cast a vote in a democracy is
The perpetually corrupt liberal part of Gerald Butts discussing voter fraud schemes is a concern
The liberals do not discuss things unless they get a political advantage from it
As a result only birth certificate or passport or military ID will. Which means without one of those three an over zealous polling station could deny access. As well it effectively is a poll tax, as it costs money for these ID, or military service. Sure, later the course would get involved, but then its too late for the vote, right?
My point is that there are people and groups in the USA trying to deny access to voting. And this is the latest attempt.
Indeed.
It really does look like a strong argument that the Republicans are winning primarily through strategic vote suppression, doesn't it?
I think there are 5 states that have added a citizenship aspect to their REAL ID.
But yes, in most cases, it does not.
SAVE has a set of requirements to register to vote, and then another for voting.
If you are registered, you can vote if you present a state-issued driver’s license or ID card issued by the motor vehicle agency that includes a photo and expiration date, a U.S. passport, a military ID, or a photo ID issued by a tribal government that includes an expiration date.
Nothing else.
That's the issue - proof of citizenship. Not showing an ID. A drivers license in USA does not prove citizenship.
Only original Birth certificate accepted, apparently copies of BC are not valid. Must match name exactly. Thus as mentioned before that will likely exclude many married women.
Passports would work. Half of Americans do not have one. They cost around $160 and take weeks to get them. If they were interested in protecting voter rights they'd waive the passport fees as part of this bill. Otherwise it looks like a poll tax, which is outlawed by constitutional amendment.
I believe the law also wants to federalize voter roll access, even though the US constitution gives states control.
BTW there are less than 50 cases of documented voter fraud cases identified over the past 20 or so years by both liberal and conservative groups.
Moreover, even in states without ID you still have to give your name and sign the voter roll. So if you're a fraudster you have to go to the correct polling station of the person you're impersonating, give a name that is on that list for that precinct, then sign the form in a way that matches the signature of the person you're impersonating. You cannot show up and vote. You have to be registered.
Only original Birth certificate accepted, apparently copies of BC are not valid. Must match name exactly. Thus as mentioned before that will likely exclude many married women.
Passports would work. Half of Americans do not have one. They cost around $160 and take weeks to get them. If they were interested in protecting voter rights they'd waive the passport fees as part of this bill. Otherwise it looks like a poll tax, which is outlawed by constitutional amendment.
I believe the law also wants to federalize voter roll access, even though the US constitution gives states control.
BTW there are less than 50 cases of documented voter fraud cases identified over the past 20 or so years by both liberal and conservative groups.
Moreover, even in states without ID you still have to give your name and sign the voter roll. So if you're a fraudster you have to go to the correct polling station of the person you're impersonating, give a name that is on that list for that precinct, then sign the form in a way that matches the signature of the person you're impersonating. You cannot show up and vote. You have to be registered.
