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Only one House Dem voted in favor of voter ID, proof of citizenship in US elections

JohnLarue

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new changes just to rile you up....voter ID isn't racist franky...it's an added protection from voting fraud...

the left just does not seem to understand fraud is illegal
be it voting fraud, child day care fraud, , Medicare fraud , etc. etc.
 
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Frankfooter

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the left just does not seem to understand fraud is illegal
be it voting fraud, child day care fraud, , Medicare fraud , etc. etc.
That is hilarious!
The right wing votes in a 34 time felon, who commits fraud daily and declares they are the only ones that can spot fraud.
 
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Valcazar

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I believe the outrage about voter fraud and ID was manufactured, because there was miniscule evidence for it. But the GOP were analyzing voter patterns and found fewer minorities had driver licenses thus the push for ID laws would disproportionately hurt the other side. That's what started this. In that vein college ID not acceptable, NRA ID acceptable.

Seems a pattern - let's compare how typical voters vote, then see what we can concoct to disproportionately hurt the other side. Black churches do early voting by the busload after services? Ban it. Distrubute voting machines by geography VS population. Create huge lines in the cities. And while they wait don't give them water.
Dems have fewer people w licenses? Make that the rule.
Thus get the order right. Republicans pushed for this after discovering the pattern. Democrats are responding to the Republicans.
There is a reason the GOP tries so hard to fuck with elections like this.
And yes, previous court cases showed the demands were targeted based on who they thought it would hurt more.
 
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There is a reason the GOP tries so hard to fuck with elections like this.
And yes, previous court cases showed the demands were targeted based on who they thought it would hurt more.
We are at the point where its not clear if trump is having a confabulation here or the filters are gone and he's just bragging about how Elon cheated the election for him. Either way, the fuckery isn't supposed to be this obvious.

 

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Valcazar

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I wonder if they were intending to just target anyone trans with the name discrepancies bit.
But this will hit married women hard if they took their husbands names.
And that will tend to be more republican than dem.

‘‘(2) REQUIREMENT IN CASES OF NAME DIS23 CREPANCIES IN DOCUMENTATION.—
The point with such laws is usually arbitrary enforcement.
 

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the left just does not seem to understand fraud is illegal
be it voting fraud, child day care fraud, , Medicare fraud , etc. etc.
and the right won't even admit that Trump committed multiple instances of vote fraud in 2020, and is only making these changes to restrict voting, to disenfranchise women and poor minorities, because he knows they usually vote Democrat. And don't forget the gerrymandering of the voting districts in Texas and other jurisdictions designed to elect more Repugs. Trump knows he will lose the election, so he is trying any and everything to rig or even cancel the election. The ICE Gestapo is his personal army for the civil war he is provoking.
 

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the left just does not seem to understand fraud is illegal
be it voting fraud, child day care fraud, , Medicare fraud , etc. etc.
True, for the Left, criminality and fraud is all in a day's work. "No one is above the law," they cry and then go about breaking every law.
 

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and the right won't even admit that Trump committed multiple instances of vote fraud in 2020, and is only making these changes to restrict voting, to disenfranchise women and poor minorities, because he knows they usually vote Democrat. And don't forget the gerrymandering of the voting districts in Texas and other jurisdictions designed to elect more Repugs. Trump knows he will lose the election, so he is trying any and everything to rig or even cancel the election. The ICE Gestapo is his personal army for the civil war he is provoking.
The illegal immigrant claim was just a dog whistle while the right wing tries to make it harder for vote. Voter disenfranchisment is just another dirty trick to win when you don't have enough votes.

 
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JohnLarue

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and the right won't even admit that Trump committed multiple instances of vote fraud in 2020, and is only making these changes to restrict voting, to disenfranchise women and poor minorities, because he knows they usually vote Democrat. And don't forget the gerrymandering of the voting districts in Texas and other jurisdictions designed to elect more Repugs. Trump knows he will lose the election, so he is trying any and everything to rig or even cancel the election. The ICE Gestapo is his personal army for the civil war he is provoking.

Trump is no prize and long before his attacks on Canada, I would have preferred he had not run again.
However, just mentioning Trumps name is not a justification for the insanity of the lefts voting fraud, child day care fraud, , Medicare fraud , etc. etc.
 

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Trump is no prize and long before his attacks on Canada, I would have preferred he had not run again.
However, just mentioning Trumps name is not a justification for the insanity of the lefts voting fraud, child day care fraud, , Medicare fraud , etc. etc.
There was no voting, child care of medicare fraud by the left.
 
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WyattEarp

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The issue is with birth certificates matching names. Because married women change their names. Add on legally changing your name for various reasons.

Also demanding passports. That is essentially a poll tax. Voting should not cost money.
How does Voter ID work in Canada and other Western democracies?

I believe you need a birth certificate to get a marriage certificate in the States.
I find the argument against identification to be specious.

The Democrats can demand that IDs be freely provided which has been discussed.
 
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WyattEarp

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the left just does not seem to understand fraud is illegal
be it voting fraud, child day care fraud, , Medicare fraud , etc. etc.
I'm concerned progressives don't have strong commitments to rule of law.
I fear they look at fraud as part of a greater political game.
Go get yourself some of that Federal money.

Just wait until some of these deep Blue States in deep debt can't kick the can any further.
There are going to be a lot of govt. employee unions demanding Federal bailouts.
 

Valcazar

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How does Voter ID work in Canada and other Western democracies?

I believe you need a birth certificate to get a marriage certificate in the States.
I find the argument against identification to be specious.

The Democrats can demand that IDs be freely provided which has been discussed.
Voter ID in Canada works as follows:

Option 1:
  • your driver's licence
  • any other card issued by a Canadian government (federal, provincial/territorial or local) with your photo, name and current addres

Option 2: Any two of a very long list of IDs (https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e#list).

This list is available in many languages, and braille, and audio.

Option 3: No ID

You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.

The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions).

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As you can see, this approach would be wildly unacceptable to the GOP.
 
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Valcazar

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I'm concerned progressives don't have strong commitments to rule of law.
I fear they look at fraud as part of a greater political game.
Go get yourself some of that Federal money.
These are strange concerns to have, since they don't seem to be strongly connected to reality.
I mean, you are agreeing with LaRue - that should make you suspicious of what you are saying right off the bat.
 

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How does Voter ID work in Canada and other Western democracies?

I believe you need a birth certificate to get a marriage certificate in the States.
I find the argument against identification to be specious.

The Democrats can demand that IDs be freely provided which has been discussed.
We are issued a voter card. Comes in the mail. We have advanced polling stations, usually 3 days of it. You need a photo ID with Address on it. Or photo ID and say a bill with address on it. Or you can be vouched for by another registered voter.

ID to Vote – Elections Canada https://share.google/zAHRYlvHXUOyBdnGv

Above are the requirements.

There are other means to cast votes as well. Everything is handmarked then read by a machine and the vote is registered. It's simple, organized and voter fraud just isn't considered a thing.

Edit: I should clarify the voter card is a one time piece of information that has your name, address and polling station, as well as guide information.
 
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I'm concerned progressives don't have strong commitments to rule of law.
I fear they look at fraud as part of a greater political game.
Go get yourself some of that Federal money.

Just wait until some of these deep Blue States in deep debt can't kick the can any further.
There are going to be a lot of govt. employee unions demanding Federal bailouts.
Actually, it's well proven that blue states have been basically propping up red states.
HHRG-119-JU13-20250715-SD014-U14.pdf
 
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