Iran President apologizes for bombing the Gulf countries and they would stop, but they don't

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Now you're doing a larue and resorting to AI? All your AI said in defence was Netanyahu's office said they are real. That's your proof?
That's an own goal .
Go to the end of the CNN clip, he's alive. Stop making up your own narrative.

And no, I'm not happy to see any people killed by this.
Even Netanyahu should have been put on a decade long, very public, trial over the genocide followed by living out the rest of his life in prison.
Really, same for trump and even Biden.
Yes you are and to include Biden in that rant, is as silly as it gets. Just shows you are way way way out there.

All we get instead is a war that will crash the world economy and way too many innocent people killed.
for the most part, I will agree with this, although some very nasty individuals have been killed, too.


Here's a test, the xitter posted something saying Iran has listed their targets for revenge after Israel hit gas infrastructure.
Read the list and check the news over the next 24 hours. Its from hinkle, someone you think is totally untrustworthy.
Check in a day and see if he is more on top of what's going on then you.
NO time for nonsense.

ps...gas is down 3 cents today....

yes it's going up tomorrow again...

up and down it goes....

Which is ok, will eventually help Gavin and the House and Senate in Midterms
 
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Iranian presidents have very little power in that country, its the Supreme Leaders who run the whole show
 

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Go to the end of the CNN clip, he's alive. Stop making up your own narrative.
I already posted that clip and analysis showing its AI, from the vents that don't match, the lighting, the lack of interaction between Netanyahu's words and his team and the similar footage posted a few years ago. Netanyahu was pasted into that video.



Yes you are and to include Biden in that rant, is as silly as it gets. Just shows you are way way way out there.
You forgot the Genocide Joe chants from americans?



NO time for nonsense.

ps...gas is down 3 cents today....

yes it's going up tomorrow again...

up and down it goes....

Which is ok, will eventually help Gavin and the House and Senate in Midterms
You really aren't paying attention.
Israel destroyed 25% of the world's LNG supply yesterday.
Today Iran will strike back on oil infrastructure across the Gulf.

Helium and fertilizer are hit, with both of those becoming unavailable or too expensive.
Lack of fertilizer through the spring will hit food supplies.


 

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I already posted that clip and analysis showing its AI, from the vents that don't match, the lighting, the lack of interaction between Netanyahu's words and his team and the similar footage posted a few years ago. Netanyahu was pasted into that video.
Keep dreaming and believing in fairies.


You forgot the Genocide Joe chants from americans?
Just because a bunch of radical protestors are chanting something doesn't make it real. You didn't learn from the Convoy protestors?

Iran, Palestien and Lebanon wouldn't have suffered the beatdown they have if Joe or Kamala had won. Face it, you wanted Kamala to lose, now deal with what Trump brings you without making shit up, ;)

You really aren't paying attention.
Israel destroyed 25% of the world's LNG supply yesterday.
Today Iran will strike back on oil infrastructure across the Gulf.

Helium and fertilizer are hit, with both of those becoming unavailable or too expensive.
Lack of fertilizer through the spring will hit food supplies.
It war, it's all good! The more chaos, the more losses in the midterms for your favorite President. I know you will be disappointed if your choice from the last US election gets cockblocked in November. You should join Ritchie in WKing for Trump.
 
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Two Faced Tulsi is getting smoked in questioning.

Tulsi ENDS CAREER as BRUTAL hearing EXPOSES Trump

 

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Keep dreaming and believing in fairies.
You keep repeating your opinion as if its fact.



Just because a bunch of radical protestors are chanting something doesn't make it real. You didn't learn from the Convoy protestors?

Iran, Palestien and Lebanon wouldn't have suffered the beatdown they have if Joe or Kamala had won. Face it, you wanted Kamala to lose, now deal with what Trump brings you without making shit up, ;)
The dems internal report says Harris lost over the genocide. You keep wanting to gloss over the genocide but its the same team that just destroyed the world economy.
Harris said she'd invade Iran as well. I wanted Harris and america to stop supporting Israeli genocide and to back rule of law. She knew it would cost her but she chose to lose rather than fight AIPAC.

It war, it's all good! The more chaos, the more losses in the midterms for your favorite President. I know you will be disappointed if your choice from the last US election gets cockblocked in November. You should join Ritchie in WKing for Trump.
The natural gas sites hit in Iran and Qatar alone supply 45% of the world's LNG. Qatar is going to be offline for years, likely. Nobody knows how bad the damages are to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, who were also hit today.

Israel hitting Iran's Pars field, against trump's wishes, just crashed the global economy.
This will last at least a year, if they can ever recover the infrastructure.

This is exactly what I told you would happen today.

 
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You keep repeating your opinion as if its fact.
And you keep grabbing on to hope just like a little child waiting by the cookies for Santa to come down the chimney.



The dems internal report says Harris lost over the genocide. You keep wanting to gloss over the genocide but its the same team that just destroyed the world economy.
Harris said she'd invade Iran as well. I wanted Harris and america to stop supporting Israeli genocide and to back rule of law. She knew it would cost her but she chose to lose rather than fight AIPAC.
It was more than that, and you know it, although it helped Trump for sure, hope you're enjoying the Trump era. Being a black woman lost her a lot of votes or folks just not going out to vote.

Hey FRANKIE,, would you pull a Cenk if we were on a panel??? Go to the 48.00 point and watch Cenk blow a gasket. FAWK, I thought he was going to get a heart attack the way he went off.

 
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Are you upset other people do that?



I didn't know you had seen the unpublished report.



You will provide the quote, I'm sure.
I have opinions and sources to back them up. Squeezer has an opinion.
You know full well that dem insiders leaked the findings of the report but that the dems still buried it.
Harris, though I'm sure you will say she didn't say the word 'invade'.

 
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And you keep grabbing on to hope just like a little child waiting by the cookies for Santa to come down the chimney.





It was more than that, and you know it, although it helped Trump for sure, hope you're enjoying the Trump era. Being a black woman lost her a lot of votes or folks just not going out to vote.

Hey FRANKIE,, would you pull a Cenk if we were on a panel??? Go to the 48.00 point and watch Cenk blow a gasket. FAWK, I thought he was going to get a heart attack the way he went off.

Depends on whether you'd pull the 'Israel firster' move and start talking over me instead of waiting your turn.

Look, yesterday I posted that Israel hit Parsa, then posted the list of sites that Iran said they would hit.
They hit all of them and now its thought that around 20% of LNG will be offline for up to 5 years.

You said it wasn't going to happen but it happened just like I said.
Now Haifa's refinery has been taken out.

Today's big news, other than yet another Netanyahu video?

Israel and america still can't fly over Iran, they've been flying close as they can and firing missiles. Though I think maybe the B2's fly high enough to get by.
Today Iran hit an F35 which means trump still can't fly over Iran.

 

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I have opinions and sources to back them up. Squeezer has an opinion.
All of you have opinions and sources of varying quality.

You know full well that dem insiders leaked the findings of the report but that the dems still buried it.
Ahh.
This is a "twitter told me" thing.

Harris, though I'm sure you will say she didn't say the word 'invade'.
She didn't.
She quite specifically refuses to answer if she would take any military action.

Good to see that in your mind that is "she said she would invade".
 

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All of you have opinions and sources of varying quality.
All sources are of varying quality.
You think that applies to only me?



Ahh.
This is a "twitter told me" thing.
Ah, you think its twitter that posts, not people.



She didn't.
She quite specifically refuses to answer if she would take any military action.

Good to see that in your mind that is "she said she would invade".
My 5 second search on the xitter used 'invade'.
Another 5 seconds with 'attack' gets this.

better?
Gonna admit the xitter is better in this situation than scholar.google.com?

 

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All sources are of varying quality.
You think that applies to only me?
Of course not.
You seem to not always be aware of it, though. The same as others here.

Ah, you think its twitter that posts, not people.
Not at all.
There are people and bots on twitter.
Nathan is a person with a history.

But, just to clarify - your position on the DNC thing is that Nathan Robinson told you that Axios saying that a guy from the IMEU told him that a representative from the DNC told him that the review "also found that policy was, in their words, a 'net-negative' in the 2024 election." means "the DNC admitted Gaza cost them election".

My 5 second search on the xitter used 'invade'.
Another 5 seconds with 'attack' gets this.

better?
Gonna admit the xitter is better in this situation than scholar.google.com?

How is an unrelated post of Hillary Clinton saying in 2008 that if Iran nuked Israel, then the US would attack Iran proof that Kamala said she would invade Iran in 2024?
What does scholar.google.com have to do with any of this?
 
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Of course not.
You seem to not always be aware of it, though. The same as others here.
Possibly I'm more aware of it. Most of the board reads one set of mainstream media or some series of youtube personalities.
I do check the news from a few sources.
The xitter has been damaged by Musk but still carries some good sources you won't see elsewhere. I've check out other SM as well. I wish there was a better platform but american media is crap and most Canadian media is american owned. Even the CBC has major issues of late. Fenlon @ CBC is not good for the corp.

What sources do you think are better for immediate news at this point?


Not at all.
There are people and bots on twitter.
Nathan is a person with a history.

But, just to clarify - your position on the DNC thing is that Nathan Robinson told you that Axios saying that a guy from the IMEU told him that a representative from the DNC told him that the review "also found that policy was, in their words, a 'net-negative' in the 2024 election." means "the DNC admitted Gaza cost them election".
I see, so you're still going with the 'couldn't have been the genocide and year long protests' theory for the election.
Correction: An earlier version of this article described the Democratic National Committee’s 2024 election review as “leaked.” The DNC later clarified that the findings were shared during internal consultations and were not leaked.

How is an unrelated post of Hillary Clinton saying in 2008 that if Iran nuked Israel, then the US would attack Iran proof that Kamala said she would invade Iran in 2024?
What does scholar.google.com have to do with any of this?
There is no light between Clinton, Biden and Harris's views on Israel and Palestine. They towed AIPAC lines.
Google scholar? Just a poke.

The point remains and can be seen in voting support for trump's war and the continuing genocide. The dems continue to back the AIPAC line despite the views of dems and the population. There is still no meaningful political resistance to supporting Israeli aggressions.

 

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Possibly I'm more aware of it. Most of the board reads one set of mainstream media or some series of youtube personalities.
I do check the news from a few sources.
The xitter has been damaged by Musk but still carries some good sources you won't see elsewhere. I've check out other SM as well. I wish there was a better platform but american media is crap and most Canadian media is american owned. Even the CBC has major issues of late. Fenlon @ CBC is not good for the corp.

What sources do you think are better for immediate news at this point?
It isn't that you use xitter.
It's that you use it uncritically.
You would have the same exact problem with any sources.

I see, so you're still going with the 'couldn't have been the genocide and year long protests' theory for the election.
No.
I'm not.
I never have.

I am pointing out that, once again, you have decided on your conclusion and interpreted the actual reporting you have to mean what you want it to mean.
Like I said, your problem is that you use sources uncritically.

How is posting another article reporting on the article Robinson originally reported on helping you here?
This does repeat the "it was a net negative" statement.
Remember that comes from a group (IMEU) with every incentive to claim what you are claiming - that the DNC said it cost them the election.
Even that group won't say that is what the DNC said.

There is no light between Clinton, Biden and Harris's views on Israel and Palestine. They towed AIPAC lines.
You believe that?
Just puppets getting their marching orders from Israel?
Why didn't you include Trump in that list, since your whole point was that Harris said she would invade and therefore what Trump is doing isn't any different? (Even if you can't show she said that.)

But sure, let's go with what you said. Since Harris has exactly the same views as Clinton, that means you feel Harris would attack Iran if Iran attacked Israel with a nuclear weapon. (Since that is the quote from Clinton you posted.) How is that relevant to the current situation, since Iran clearly did not use a nuclear weapon on Israel?

The point remains and can be seen in voting support for trump's war and the continuing genocide. The dems continue to back the AIPAC line despite the views of dems and the population. There is still no meaningful political resistance to supporting Israeli aggressions.

What does Clinton's remarks in 2016 have to do with here?
Is this your proof that all Democrats support what Trump is doing and would do the same thing?
 
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It isn't that you use xitter.
It's that you use it uncritically.
You would have the same exact problem with any sources.
I use it quite critically. Occasionally crap gets past but that's no different than any other source. Its useful for the most recent news, witty quips, occasionally interesting analysis though it can be as or less trustworthy as MSM.
If I'm not sure its accurate I will say so, like I've said with AI Netanyahu.
You are assuming that since you have issues with some of the reports, like the dems Palestine report, then the problem is with me.
You are no different from MAGA, or anyone else, in that way, you have your own model of the world in your predictive mind and you can deal with prediction error but you can't deal with changing your model.


No.
I'm not.
I never have.

I am pointing out that, once again, you have decided on your conclusion and interpreted the actual reporting you have to mean what you want it to mean.
Like I said, your problem is that you use sources uncritically.
You have decided on your own conclusion here as well. You've built your own version of how informed you are and how diligent you are with sources, as academics mostly are. Though you've also admitted that there is no absolute proof either of us are right or wrong. The biggest piece of new info is the internal dem report, which you want to dismiss entirely as it doesn't fit your own narrative. But you also know that true debate requires actual consideration of opposite views and not just dismissing them, as you do here. Likely there will never be conclusive proof either way, but given the progression of news, my view stands as way more compelling an argument then 'genocide had no effect' on the election. And this place tends towards absolute positions instead of admitting, 'yes, its possible'.


How is posting another article reporting on the article Robinson originally reported on helping you here?
This does repeat the "it was a net negative" statement.
Remember that comes from a group (IMEU) with every incentive to claim what you are claiming - that the DNC said it cost them the election.
Even that group won't say that is what the DNC said.
Are you arguing there never was any such report?
Or do you have another rationale as to why the dems wouldn't publish it if it wasn't so damming towards their chief fundraiser?
And if you think it doesn't exist, why would the dems not do an autopsy on their election failure?


You believe that?
Just puppets getting their marching orders from Israel?
Why didn't you include Trump in that list, since your whole point was that Harris said she would invade and therefore what Trump is doing isn't any different? (Even if you can't show she said that.)

But sure, let's go with what you said. Since Harris has exactly the same views as Clinton, that means you feel Harris would attack Iran if Iran attacked Israel with a nuclear weapon. (Since that is the quote from Clinton you posted.) How is that relevant to the current situation, since Iran clearly did not use a nuclear weapon on Israel?
Sure, its possible that while Harris totally supported the genocide she might have drawn a line at attacking Iran. I do agree that the history of the dems is that they understood how stupid that was. The war on Iran really reads as Netanyahu finally getting someone stupid enough to back his 40 year dream only to have it kill him on week later and destroy all of Israel and america. So sure, we can say we know that both Harris and Clinton would have backed committing genocide on Palestinians but likely would not have supported war on Iran. I'm sure that makes you feel much better.


What does Clinton's remarks in 2016 have to do with here?
Is this your proof that all Democrats support what Trump is doing and would do the same thing?
Boring and picayune.

More interesting is guess where the fuck this all goes.
That's really what we should be discusing.


Thesis:
The war on Iran is the single worst american military disaster.

The questions:
Is there an offramp other than nukes or TACO?
Will Israel survive?

(go ahead, I know, you can't do both a thesis and a question in one paper/post)
 

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I use it quite critically.
:)

If I'm not sure its accurate I will say so, like I've said with AI Netanyahu.
:D

You think AI Netanyahu may not be true and the whole "He's dead" thing a lie?
And you've been pointing this out?

You are no different from MAGA, or anyone else, in that way, you have your own model of the world in your predictive mind and you can deal with prediction error but you can't deal with changing your model.
:LOL:

You have decided on your own conclusion here as well. You've built your own version of how informed you are and how diligent you are with sources, as academics mostly are. Though you've also admitted that there is no absolute proof either of us are right or wrong. The biggest piece of new info is the internal dem report, which you want to dismiss entirely as it doesn't fit your own narrative. But you also know that true debate requires actual consideration of opposite views and not just dismissing them, as you do here. Likely there will never be conclusive proof either way, but given the progression of news, my view stands as way more compelling an argument then 'genocide had no effect' on the election. And this place tends towards absolute positions instead of admitting, 'yes, its possible'.
And here we see it again.
You admit either that you've been influenced by here to believe extreme positions regardless of the strength of the evidence or you've decided you have to take these positions, even though you don't believe them.

Then you get mad when I point out that the evidence doesn't actually support the extreme position you are claiming.

You also assign extreme positions I haven't taken to me (and presumably others - I can't imagine I'm special here).

It's fascinating.

Are you arguing there never was any such report?
Of course not.
Why do you leap to these insane conclusions?
Oh right, you just admitted it is either damage from being online too much or a deliberate bad faith move because that's what online people do.

Or do you have another rationale as to why the dems wouldn't publish it if it wasn't so damming towards their chief fundraiser?
Oh, I think protecting Future Forward PAC and the people who ran it is definitely part of the reason some people don't want it published.
But since you asked for other rationales.

There's the one they originally gave, about not wanting to fuck with a winning streak by providing a distraction. (“Here’s our North Star: Does this help us win?” )
There is preventing internal division and finger pointing in general.
There is the general "don't embarrass important people who fucked up".
There is the precedent of the GOP autopsy and Trump winning by ignoring everything that is in it.

Are these good reasons?
No, not in my opinion.
They should release it, because the shitty news cycles of "they are hiding it" are just as bad as any shitty news cycles of people making stupid proclamations about what is actually in it if it is released.

And if you think it doesn't exist, why would the dems not do an autopsy on their election failure?
No one thinks it doesn't exist. (Well, there are billions of people on the planet, I guess someone must think it doesn't exist.)
Who are these people you imagine think it doesn't exist?

Sure, its possible that while Harris totally supported the genocide she might have drawn a line at attacking Iran. I do agree that the history of the dems is that they understood how stupid that was. The war on Iran really reads as Netanyahu finally getting someone stupid enough to back his 40 year dream only to have it kill him on week later and destroy all of Israel and america. So sure, we can say we know that both Harris and Clinton would have backed committing genocide on Palestinians but likely would not have supported war on Iran. I'm sure that makes you feel much better.
So are you admitting you lied about what she said?
Anytime you admit you were lying about things you lied about is good.
Confession is good for the soul.

Boring and picayune.
" picayune" --> Fun!

More interesting is guess where the fuck this all goes.
That's really what we should be discusing.
So is that an admission that you think this whole digression you went on to prove something you now admit doesn't exist is picayune, or is me objecting to you claiming things you can't back up picayune?

Thesis:
The war on Iran is the single worst american military disaster.
I'm not sure you can say that given the decades long history of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

It's fucking terrible, sure, but "single worst American military disaster" is big claim.

The questions:
Is there an offramp other than nukes or TACO?
Will Israel survive?

(go ahead, I know, you can't do both a thesis and a question in one paper/post)
How are nukes an "offramp"?

I don't expect Israel to cease to exist as a political entity anytime soon.
 
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You think AI Netanyahu may not be true and the whole "He's dead" thing a lie?
And you've been pointing this out?
You joined this conversation late. Yes, I've posted repeatedly that its not verified that he's dead but every single video from March 9 shows evidence of AI.
Feel free to read what you missed and check the veracity of your personal claim instead of uninformed hyperbole based on a few posts in 10 day long discussion.


And here we see it again.
You admit either that you've been influenced by here to believe extreme positions regardless of the strength of the evidence or you've decided you have to take these positions, even though you don't believe them.

Then you get mad when I point out that the evidence doesn't actually support the extreme position you are claiming.

You also assign extreme positions I haven't taken to me (and presumably others - I can't imagine I'm special here).

It's fascinating.
What a ridiculous claim. I've not made any such admission. Nor have you proven any of my statements or views to be false. You just did a magic claim that you are very right and therefore, logically, I'm wrong. You referred to no specific claims, provided no evidence I'm wrong and instead declared my positions 'extreme'.

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Of course not.
Why do you leap to these insane conclusions?
Oh right, you just admitted it is either damage from being online too much or a deliberate bad faith move because that's what online people do.
Right, so admit that its likely I'm right but that's its insane to use the conclusions that were reported.
Got it.



Oh, I think protecting Future Forward PAC and the people who ran it is definitely part of the reason some people don't want it published.
But since you asked for other rationales.

There's the one they originally gave, about not wanting to fuck with a winning streak by providing a distraction. (“Here’s our North Star: Does this help us win?” )
There is preventing internal division and finger pointing in general.
There is the general "don't embarrass important people who fucked up".
There is the precedent of the GOP autopsy and Trump winning by ignoring everything that is in it.

Are these good reasons?
No, not in my opinion.
They should release it, because the shitty news cycles of "they are hiding it" are just as bad as any shitty news cycles of people making stupid proclamations about what is actually in it if it is released.
Other than your 'winning streak' comment I agree.

No one thinks it doesn't exist. (Well, there are billions of people on the planet, I guess someone must think it doesn't exist.)
Who are these people you imagine think it doesn't exist?
I was just asking you if you thought it didn't exist. Glad to hear you are not 'these people'.

So are you admitting you lied about what she said?
Anytime you admit you were lying about things you lied about is good.
Confession is good for the soul.
That's a dishonest tactic and you know it. Are you really claiming I knew there is not that specific quote or do you think I could have just been wrong?


" picayune"
Weehoo.
There was a recent study correlating the use of business jargon to poor work, I want a similar study for academics.



So is that an admission that you think this whole digression you went on to prove something you now admit doesn't exist is picayune, or is me objecting to you claiming things you can't back up picayune?
Is this an attempt to keep the topic on your views of my personal failures over the actual subject of this thread?


I'm not sure you can say that given the decades long history of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

It's fucking terrible, sure, but "single worst American military disaster" is big claim.
It is only three weeks in but america is being booted out of the middle east, Israel is in big trouble, Iran has complete control of Hormuz and has stated they won't stop until they feel Israel can never do this again. Oh, and the global economy is going to be hit very hard.

Iraq they can at least pretend they won by invading, same with Afghanistan even if it just put the Taliban back in power.
This time there is nothing they can declare they won.


How are nukes an "offramp"?
Only if Putin's threat to respond with nukes is bluster or if Iran's ability to build a nuke quickly 'two weeks away' is not true.
Its a major evil and major gamble that is already being discussed.


I don't expect Israel to cease to exist as a political entity anytime soon.
Same way Germany didn't cease to exist after WWII?
 

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You joined this conversation late. Yes, I've posted repeatedly that its not verified that he's dead but every single video from March 9 shows evidence of AI.
Feel free to read what you missed and check the veracity of your personal claim instead of uninformed hyperbole based on a few posts in 10 day long discussion.
Did a quick check of the War with Iran thread.
You mention it is a rumor on the 10th, take the first video at face value, and by Sunday/Monday have accepted the videos are AI and he is dead or critically injured.
No doubts, no real hesitation.

But I did find this
Netanyahu appears to still be dead, no wonder trump has no idea what to do now.

so that answers the "is the story supposed to be they will then announce a natural death" thing.

What a ridiculous claim. I've not made any such admission.
You should try reading your own post.

Nor have you proven any of my statements or views to be false. You just did a magic claim that you are very right and therefore, logically, I'm wrong. You referred to no specific claims, provided no evidence I'm wrong and instead declared my positions 'extreme'.
You keep thinking I am trying to disprove your claims when all I am doing is pointing out your evidence isn't what you claim it is.
(Sometimes that involves disproving a claim, since you make a claim about the evidence.)

Right, so admit that its likely I'm right but that's its insane to use the conclusions that were reported. Got it.
It is not likely you are right that I believed there was no such report.
That's idiotic.

What do we know about the DNC autopsy report from the article in Axios?
We know that the IMEU (through spokesman Hamid Bendaas) told the Axios people that during the meeting “the DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election.”

For you, this means "the DNC admitted that Harris lost because of Gaza".

Other than your 'winning streak' comment I agree.
Cool. So we agree there are numerous reasons they might be hiding other than it was " damming towards their chief fundraiser" (the Future Forward PAC).

That's a dishonest tactic and you know it. Are you really claiming I knew there is not that specific quote or do you think I could have just been wrong?
You could have just been wrong.
But if you were, you wouldn't have tried to back it up with a clip that didn't say it, and then a Hillary Clinton clip that didn't say it, and pretend that proved you were right.

You would have gone, "Oh, I misremembered."

Weehoo.
There was a recent study correlating the use of business jargon to poor work, I want a similar study for academics.
Are you under the impression "picayune" is academic jargon?

Is this an attempt to keep the topic on your views of my personal failures over the actual subject of this thread?
No.
It's me finding you amusing.

It is only three weeks in but america is being booted out of the middle east, Israel is in big trouble, Iran has complete control of Hormuz and has stated they won't stop until they feel Israel can never do this again. Oh, and the global economy is going to be hit very hard.

Iraq they can at least pretend they won by invading, same with Afghanistan even if it just put the Taliban back in power.
This time there is nothing they can declare they won.
It's also three weeks and not remotely done.

Only if Putin's threat to respond with nukes is bluster or if Iran's ability to build a nuke quickly 'two weeks away' is not true.
Its a major evil and major gamble that is already being discussed.
That doesn't answer the question.
You asked, " Is there an offramp other than nukes or TACO? "

TACO is Trump backing down/retreating, otherwise de-escalating.
How are nukes a fucking off ramp?

Same way Germany didn't cease to exist after WWII?
Maybe France is a better WWII example. You can credibly argue Germany did cease to exist for a few decades with East and West Germany replacing it.

But basically yes - countries like France and China and Germany can still exist even if they undergo massive changes in their structure and regime.
 
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