It Is Treason for Trump and Congress To Fund Israel and Make War on Iranians

silentkisser

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oh boy
you point is
'' Sacrifices must be made ... for Israel. ''
and those sacrifices are permitting Israel to exist

that is not a sacrifice, for any rational sane country
exterminating a sovereign state is not rational or sane


No mention of the US, or even Iran.?
The US will make the sacrifice and permit Israel to exist
Iran will not will make the sacrifice and not permit Israel to exist

What can I say, I am no fan of state sponsored insanity

Now are you are going to continue to evade the fundamental question

Palestine / Iran has painted Israel into a corner with only two options
  1. Be exterminated
  2. Take out those that seek to exterminate you
again what would you do if given only those two options

evading this question speaks volumes
So, exterminating a sovereign state is not rational, but kidnapping (like what the US did to Maduro) or assassinating the head of said state (like Khamenei) is fine in your opinion? Then you say you're not a fan of "state sponsored insanity, but your posts here beg to differ....
 
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Oh boy, Johnny boy has gone off half-cocked as usual. He now thinks he knows more about the Iranian situation than a plethora of middle east and nuclear weapon experts. Maybe the reason Iran wants nukes is to stop countries like Israel and the US from bombing it or interfering with their affairs. And, Joe Kent probably has more inside information that Larue ever would.

Now, all that being said, I agree with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), which was signed back in 1968...But, the reality is that Israel, Pakistan, India and North Korea have all developed nuclear weapons since then (now, India, Israel and Pakistan never agreed, and NK pulled out in the early 2000s). North Korea is interesting, because you see how Trump treats them. They are still the Hermit Kingdom, but nobody would dare bomb or invade. Sure, they get sanctioned, but they don't really care...

So, fellow Terbites, who should we believe? Joe Kent who was a member of the US military and intelligence community, or Johnny boy, who is basically a pull-string rage baiter of "conservative" values....
Don't forget that Iran has never started building nukes, they signed the NPT and then the JCPOA, which was extra special, super hardcore, inspections and treaty designed just for them in exchange for ending sanctions with america that were never ended.

Its america and Israel that keep tearing up and not honouring treaties and deals.
trump started the war just after major concessions by Iran with another negotiating meeting scheduled for a couple of days after the attack.

Jill Stein still seems like one of the few sane political voices in the states.

 

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The US will make the sacrifice and permit Israel to exist
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again what would you do if given only those two options
Ill answer your question. As a sovereign state, Israel can do whatever it wants.

And as a sovereign state, so can the US. Their voters may tire of sacrificing for Israel.
 

JohnLarue

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Ill answer your question. As a sovereign state, Israel can do whatever it wants.

And as a sovereign state, so can the US. Their voters may tire of sacrificing for Israel.
no no
The question was not what Israel can do as a sovereign state. The answer to that question was made obvious long ago

The question was what would you do if you only had the two options ?
  1. Be exterminated
  2. Take out those that seek to exterminate you
again what would you do if given only those two options ?

Why would anyone avoid such a straightforward and direct question?

Are you horrified by your answer of option 2 ?
 
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And as a sovereign state, so can the US. Their voters may tire of sacrificing for Israel.
How convenient for you that there are no real voters in Palestine or Iran
No doubt the peoples of Palestine and Iran tired of the irrational religious hatred of their Islamic leaders long ago , but must be silent in order to continue breathing

now answer the question put to you
what would you do if you only had the two options ?
  1. Be exterminated
  2. Take out those that seek to exterminate you
 

southpaw

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now answer the question put to you
what would you do if you only had the two options ?
  1. Be exterminated
  2. Take out those that seek to exterminate you
Option 2. But Id have to do it myself, not demand others to do it for me.

Israel has every right to defend itself, like any other country. So does Iran. The west has no obligation to defend Israel, or any other country.
 

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In the January 2020 post on X, Kent tagged the president and wrote, "We should not sit and wait for the next attack, wipe Iran's ballistic capability out and get our troops out of Iraq – they are only targets now. No US WIA/KIA is a tribute to the professionalism of our military and intel professionals not Iranian restraint."
 

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Option 2. But Id have to do it myself, not demand others to do it for me.
again you include an absurd constraint to avoid the brutal truth of the matter

neither of these choices is contingent on the choice to have allies or not
there are only two options for Israel option 1 or option 2
you do not get to change the rules of the game to ease your consciences

so again , please answer the simple straight forward question option 1 or option 2 - no constraints
what would you do
  1. Be exterminated or
  2. Take out those that seek to exterminate you


Israel has every right to defend itself, like any other country.
according to you, so long as no one helps them, hoping to ensure their fate to be exterminated,
is that how you want to justify the extermination of the sovereign state of Israel and 10 million of those holy land grabbing Zionists ?

"hey Israel had the right to defend itself , but too bad they did not get the job done

odd how you don't place the same constraint on the war mongering Palestinians?
You have no issue with Iran funding, helping Hamas,
Are you scared if your "go it alone" constraint were in place for the Palestinians then there would a real danger of peace breaking out?
Cant have that now can you/


So does Iran.
here is the thing, seeking nuclear weapons and terrorist funding are not defending Iran. Those are offensive capabilities

there is no justification for irrational religious nutjobs to acquire nuclear weapons


The west has no obligation to defend Israel, or any other country.
in the fight against terrorism sure we do
it is a long standing policy commitment

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Canada's long-standing official position is that the Islamic Republic of Iran must not be permitted to acquire or create nuclear weapons
. Canada views Iran's nuclear program as a major security threat and a source of instability in the Middle East, consistently calling on the regime to cease its nuclear activities and comply with international obligations
given the Iranian leadership views the west with similar vial , irrational religious hatred , it is in the our best interest to support our ally Israel and prevent the nutjobs from acquiring nuclear weapons
 
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Things change.
Do you really think Tehran's propaganda campaign is going to cause Canada to abandon Israel and give the green light to Iran to acquire nuclear weapons?
Not a chance
we currently have very stupid leadership, but they are not going to commit political suicide

given the Iranian leadership views the west with similar vial , irrational religious hatred , it is in the our best interest to support our ally Israel and prevent the nutjobs from acquiring nuclear weapons
 

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Do you really think Tehran's propaganda campaign is going to cause Canada to abandon Israel and give the green light to Iran to acquire nuclear weapons?
Not a chance
we currently have very stupid leadership, but they are not going to commit political suicide

given the Iranian leadership views the west with similar vial , irrational religious hatred , it is in the our best interest to support our ally Israel and prevent the nutjobs from acquiring nuclear weapons
Israel is a terrorist state.
They are committing genocide.

 
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Where Will the War Take Us?

Paul Craig Roberts
March 19, 2026

I am disappointed that Trump destroyed the MAGA movement by turning it into the MIGA movement and taking America to another war in the Middle East in behalf of the Zionist agenda of Greater Israel.

Using the disguise of a “war on terror,” the United States has spent the first quarter of the 21st Century using American blood and American money to destroy countries that were barriers to Greater Israel, a territory that encompasses the Muslim Middle East from the Nile to Pakistan. Iraq, Libya and Syria are no longer functioning Arab states.

Trump and Netanyahu believed that Iran would fall as easily as the others, but that has proved not to be the case. Indeed, it appears that Iran is winning. Iran is winning because Iran was better prepared. Expecting a quick and easy victory, Trump and Netanyahu went to war without sufficient missiles to continue in the combat. One consequence is the destruction of American radar and military bases in the Persian Gulf. Another is the inability of Israel to intercept incoming Iranian missiles, an inability that will intensify as Iran works its way through its older stock of missiles and begins using it’s modern hypersonic ballistic missiles. It is possible that Israel could end up looking like Gaza.

According to news reports one of the Persian Gulf oil city-states that hosts US military bases has requested that the United States depart as US presence no longer provides protection. Possibly the other hosts of American bases will make the same request, in which case the result of Trump’s war for Israel will be the removal of Washington’s presence in the Middle East and a defeat of Washington’s long-term agenda of controlling oil flows from the Persian Gulf.

Trump and Netanyahu seem to have put themselves into a difficult situation. Both face elections this year, elections unlikely to go well if Trump and Netanyahu are losing their war. The US Navy has had to move out of range of Iranian ship-sinking missiles, and Trump has had to call on other countries–China, Japan, South Korea, France, UK–to send warships to aid the US in taking control from Iran of the Strait of Hormuz. This request is a clear statement by the President of the United States of limited American military capability. Trump has had no takers. Trump’s advisors are talking about landing troops on Kharg Island, surely a suicide mission.

In other words, Trump doesn’t know what to do.

Netanyahu does know what to do–nuke Iran, in order to save Israel.

Aware of this possibility Iran might hold back from victory and go for a settlement in which Washington and Israel agree to normalize relations with the Iranian nation. Such a settlement would not last, because it is incompatible with the Zionist agenda of Greater Israel. Therefore, during the time for which such a settlement might last, Iran would have to develop and deploy nuclear weapons, knowing that otherwise Iran will be struck by Israeli nukes.

So, the outcome of Trump and Israel’s war could easily be nuclear proliferation and a reduction of Israeli and American power in the Middle East. This could be a good thing as both Israelis and Americans would understand that the agenda of Greater Israel has consequences too severe to justify the agenda.

If the Iranian government holds firm and learns from the experience, there could be a silver lining in Trump and Israel’s war. The Zionist agenda would be exposed as too costly and would have to be abandoned both by Israel and Washington.

The weak-willed governments in Moscow and Beijing would see that it is possible, after all, to stand up to Israeli-dominated Washington, and possibly might start standing up to Washington themselves instead of selling out their allies. If so, this would produce the multi-polar world that Russian President Putin talks so much about but negates the possibly of with his craven behavior. Perhaps XI would understand that it is better to have a determined military, such as the one he just purged, than a moderate one that encourages, as Putin does, ever more serious provocations by refusing to acknowledge them as acts of war.

The future of the world depends on whether leaders can reenter the world of reality or stay lost in a more comforting unreality in which they presently operate.

 
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