Canada's labor market dips sharply in February, unemployment rate up

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State socialism does produce, long-term results around the world
The problem is those results are failures and really ugly failures

socialism is a very appealing ideal for many
equality of everything, , sleep in until 9:00 am, punch out at 3:00 pm , 2 hour lunches, everyone get taken care of by the benevolent corruption free government, no need for elections -- sounds great

and then there is the reality
socialism just does not work and not surprisingly morphs into police states that produces corruption, inefficiencies, destruction of wealth/ prosperity, misery, and poverty
Then there are the 50 to 200 million people that were starved to death, worked to death or outright murdered by their own Socialist/ Communist government in the 20th century

Repeat those failed experiments? -- No thank you
My discussion with Butler got to the essence of his thinking. His basic view was increasing productivity is a threat to quality of life. It's clearly an over-simplistic way of looking at economics and life. I would say economic development and quality of life go hand in hand in Western economies. The Chinese also raised their productivity by leaps and bounds. They were able to provide millions of millions modern lives.

Let's say a society collectively decides they want to trade less economic growth for a higher quality of life. My general belief is that over the long-run the pressures build as the economy stagnates. But let's just go with the initial tenet. The real glaring problem was the earlier chart citing low levels of Canadian investment in industrial machinery and equipment.

Does any Canadian really not see the problem? Do they object to more mechanization? Are they Luddites?
How the hell are you going to get all these commodities out of the ground, move them over the Rockies and loaded on to Asian-bound ships?

Idealism can be a very dangerous thing when it lapses into fantasies. It's having thoughts like Mamdani the Mayor of NYC bouncing around in your head.
 
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How are liberals too dumb to see this? 🤦‍♂️
Carney tells Canada gas is the thing of the past. Trump does one military strike and all that shit goes out the window as we get a real-time experience of how crucial oil is to the world.


Nigel Farage said it best about Carney. "The Chap that gets everything wrong and keeps being promoted. It's remarkable."

 
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Carney tells Canada gas is the thing of the past. Trump does one military strike and all that shit goes out the window as we get a real-time experience of how crucial oil is to the world.


Nigel Farage said it best about Carney. "The Chap that gets everything wrong and keeps being promoted. It's remarkable."

It's a well established reality that we will be relying on fossil fuels for DECADES to come despite the current push to go electric. It's also well established that our current electrical grid does not have the capacity to support a full on switch to electric. It would be kinda like bringing in hundreds of thousands of immigrants with no where to house them. ;) 🤦‍♂️
 

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My discussion with Butler got to the essence of his thinking. His basic view was increasing productivity is a threat to quality of life. It's clearly an over-simplistic way of looking at economics and life. I would say economic development and quality of life go hand in hand in Western economies. The Chinese also raised their productivity by leaps and bounds. They were able to provide millions of millions modern lives.

Let's say a society collectively decides they want to trade less economic growth for a higher quality of life. My general belief is that over the long-run the pressures build as the economy stagnates. But let's just go with the initial tenet. The real glaring problem was the earlier chart citing low levels of Canadian investment in industrial machinery and equipment.

Does any Canadian really not see the problem? Do they object to more mechanization? Are they Luddites?
How the hell are you going to get all these commodities out of the ground, move them over the Rockies and loaded on to Asian-bound ships?

Idealism can be a very dangerous thing when it lapses into fantasies. It's having thoughts like Mamdani the Mayor of NYC bouncing around in your head.
Bullshit. I never said anything remotely like that. I said unchecked capitalism leads to oligarchy. That is the essence of my point.
 

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Bullshit. I never said anything remotely like that. I said unchecked capitalism leads to oligarchy. That is the essence of my point.
I think you generally speak in idealistic code. You don't take your thoughts to their obvious ends.
So what has been Canada's economic problem been the last ten-fifteen years?

Some of us have given are observations.
 
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I think you generally speak in idealistic code. You don't take your thoughts to their obvious ends.
So what has been Canada's economic problem been the last ten-fifteen years?

Some of us have given are observations.
Covid, Carbon policy, Trudeau incompetence as well as bad advisors, lack of infrastructure building, going all in on US trade(a big one as it turns out), and generally reducing our reputation world wide. You can add in a misguided policy on immigration. Especially refugees.

But I also see solutions happening. Increased work on infrastructure, a better PM by far(he also has better advisors), new trade policy, reductions in immigration.

Some of this can happen quickly, other things can take a decade(s). As long as I see progress and most of all a lack of drama or looking for stupid validation like the previous PM I will sit back and let it play out
 
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Trudeau incompetence as well as bad advisors
Any examples on what bad advisors you're referring to?:rolleyes:

As long as I see progress and most of all a lack of drama or looking for stupid validation like the previous PM I will sit back and let it play out
So as long as he's not dressing up in blackface and doing karaoke in hotel lobbies during a state funeral you're good? Got it. 🤦‍♂️
 
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Covid, Carbon policy, Trudeau incompetence as well as bad advisors, lack of infrastructure building, going all in on US trade(a big one as it turns out), and generally reducing our reputation world wide. You can add in a misguided policy on immigration. Especially refugees.

But I also see solutions happening. Increased work on infrastructure, a better PM by far(he also has better advisors), new trade policy, reductions in immigration.

Some of this can happen quickly, other things can take a decade(s). As long as I see progress and most of all a lack of drama or looking for stupid validation like the previous PM I will sit back and let it play out
Silentkisser pulls the same deflection. If you blame COVID and Trump, you're not being honest about longer-term economic problems beset by Canada. You try to change the discussion from what has Canada done to itself to Canada has been a victim of events. I don't even think immigration policy has a direct impact on slow growth, but it certainly magnifies the problem of a pie that's not growing at a healthy rate.

You probably realize I am in the camp (with others here) that Poilievre and the Conservatives should have been given a chance to lead and manage Canada. I'm fairly certain they would have vigilantly fought the U.S. on trade. The Great Carney fighting for Canada has been a silly bit of rhetoric, but Canadians bought it.

Installing Carney is somewhat of a reactionary measure. The Liberals were not the only way forward particularly when you look at the failures of the recent past.
 

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Any examples on what bad advisors you're referring to?:rolleyes:


So as long as he's not dressing up in blackface and doing karaoke in hotel lobbies during a state funeral you're good? Got it. 🤦‍♂️
I know you are heading towards Butts. And it appears he is keeping him around for election advice but not so much policy. Unfortunately you don't just get rid of a guy like him. He reminds me of James Carvelle. And Carney is not a wishy washy idiot. He is his own man, agree or disagree with him.

Carney is as banker as banker can get. I highly doubt he will be involved in anything like the stupidity the nation had to endure from Trudeau's embarrassing behavior.

As I keep saying. By fall we will see if he has what it takes.
 
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I know you are heading towards Butts. And it appears he is keeping him around for election advice but not so much policy. Unfortunately you don't just get rid of a guy like him. He reminds me of James Carvelle. And Carney is not a wishy washy idiot. He is his own man, agree or disagree with him.

Carney is as banker as banker can get. I highly doubt he will be involved in anything like the stupidity the nation had to endure from Trudeau's embarrassing behavior.

As I keep saying. By fall we will see if he has what it takes.
No, I was referring to Carney as he was the unofficial puppet master for JT's last 5 years in office leading to only 2 possibilities, 1. He intentionally misguided JT so he could later swoop in and play hero(good luck with that) Or 2. He's a fucking idiot and was doing his best despite failing miserably. I wonder which one it is? :unsure:
 

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Canada needs to hold on. Let Carney do his work worldwide as it will pay.

For the long term, Canada is probably the country with the most natural resources in the world. From water, to oil, to wood, to hydro electricity, to potassium, to rare earth, and many other earth elements. These resources will be in extreme high value for many countries.

We are good.
How so? Do you mean forging trade relationships with countries that don't play fair by using subsidies, regulations and barriers to entry? Read most of Europe and Asia. If you think we have it so bad with the U.S. wait until you see what happens with a France, UK or Japan.
 
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Silentkisser pulls the same deflection. If you blame COVID and Trump, you're not being honest about longer-term economic problems beset by Canada. You try to change the discussion from what has Canada done to itself to Canada has been a victim of events. I don't even think immigration policy has a direct impact on slow growth, but it certainly magnifies the problem of a pie that's not growing at a healthy rate.

You probably realize I am in the camp (with others here) that Poilievre should have been given a chance to manage Canada.
I'm fairly certain he would have vigilantly fought the U.S. on trade. The Great Carney fighting for Canada has been a silly bit of rhetoric, but Canadians bought it.

Installing Carney is somewhat of a reactionary measure. The Liberals were not the only way forward particularly when you look at the failures of the recent past.
Holy fuck do you even read? I also laid a shit ton of blame at Trudeau's feet. You are cherry picking out of my post. Bad form. I specifically saud carbon policy, immigration policy, trade policy, infrastructure policy. That is about as clear as it gets laying blame at the government 's feet.

And covid was a factor in debt and the economy. To say otherwise is about as dumb a statement as it gets. And to say Trump's fucking around is a non issue is also just plain stupid. You aren't stupid. So stop acting like it.

I VOTED FOR THE CONSERVATIVES. And said so at the time. He had a real chance. And failed to inspire the electorate to think he was good enough. Cripes he didn't even win his own riding he held fir 20 years. Thats a rebuke of his policies, and his person.

I never blame voters for election losses. It is always the leader and the party's fault. No politician DESERVES to win, they have to earn it, every time.

He failed. I get it. Des and Saul thought it was a sure thing, Trudeau at 19%. The nation itching to clobber him. And he walked. And Carney came in. It proves people didn't want to vote FOR PP, just against Trudeau. The polling at the time showed Carney had a ten point lead on preferred leader. That counts.

That's politics. Get over it. I did. Looked with an objective eye, and see the path.
 

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Holy fuck do you even read? I also laid a shit ton of blame at Trudeau's feet. You are cherry picking out of my post. Bad form. I specifically saud carbon policy, immigration policy, trade policy, infrastructure policy. That is about as clear as it gets laying blame at the government 's feet.

And covid was a factor in debt and the economy. To say otherwise is about as dumb a statement as it gets. And to say Trump's fucking around is a non issue is also just plain stupid. You aren't stupid. So stop acting like it.

I VOTED FOR THE CONSERVATIVES. And said so at the time. He had a real chance. And failed to inspire the electorate to think he was good enough. Cripes he didn't even win his own riding he held fir 20 years. Thats a rebuke of his policies, and his person.

I never blame voters for election losses. It is always the leader and the party's fault. No politician DESERVES to win, they have to earn it, every time.

He failed. I get it. Des and Saul thought it was a sure thing, Trudeau at 19%. The nation itching to clobber him. And he walked. And Carney came in. It proves people didn't want to vote FOR PP, just against Trudeau. The polling at the time showed Carney had a ten point lead on preferred leader. That counts.

That's politics. Get over it. I did. Looked with an objective eye, and see the path.
Don't forget fiscal policy and tax policy. Under JT it was disastrous. Was a main driver of wealth out of this country. Trudeau was, by far, the worst PM of my lifetime.
 
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No, I was referring to Carney as he was the unofficial puppet master for JT's last 5 years in office leading to only 2 possibilities, 1. He intentionally misguided JT so he could later swoop in and play hero(good luck with that) Or 2. He's a fucking idiot and was doing his best despite failing miserably. I wonder which one it is? :unsure:
Or....neither. He was busy With Brookfield as CEO, and waited until Trudeau ran out of time to enter things. Gave advice when asked(all the CEO's of banks and major investment houses get calls, its common), especially as a former Bank of Canada head.

I'm sure he was watching and even working behind the scenes to step in. Again, its how it works. You think PP wasn't ready to swoop in when he did? You have to have a machine in place to take the leadership.
 
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Or....neither. He was busy With Brookfield as CEO, and waited until Trudeau ran out of time to enter things. Gave advice when asked(all the CEO's of banks and major investment houses get calls, its common), especially as a former Bank of Canada head.

I'm sure he was watching and even working behind the scenes to step in. Again, its how it works. You think PP wasn't ready to swoop in when he did? You have to have a machine in place to take the leadership.
Sigh. Based on your inability to see clearly, I sure hope you don't drive.🤦‍♂️:ROFLMAO:
 

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Don't forget fiscal policy and tax policy. Under JT it was disastrous. Was a main driver of wealth out of this country. Trudeau was, by far, the worst PM of my lifetime.
Fiscal policy absolutely. And his choice for finance as well. Taxes obviously carbon taxes are a mistake. But I don't find myself overly burdened. I would prefer to see better spending habits.
 

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What's the alternative? He's getting his majority. I looked forward to the Libs getting booted out in the last election. All the polls indicated it. Then Trump happened and you know the rest.
you seemed to be under the impression Mark Carney was going to fix Justin Trudeaus mess


I relunctantly agree. He's undoing Trudeaus damage. Carbon tax, Electric vehicle mandates, immigration levels. They should never have been done in the first place, but what's done is done. All he can do now is repair it.
He is not going to repair it
 
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