Thats just it, they're all fanatics. The Zionists and the Islamists alike. And the Christian fanatics want them at war to kickstart Armageddon.
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I don't subscribe to the "we're right" way of thinking. Israel has fucked up plenty over the years and IMO shouldn't be absolved for it's role in this mess - I'm a rare Jew that actually opposes their occupation of the West Bank - I wanted all settlements dismantled as I believed in the 2 state solution. That dream has never felt more dead.
Unlike Mike, I did educate myself, and am happy to exchange educational history with you or anyone else on this board. In a sense, I should thank you - you got me to go back to a few books that had been collecting dust in my library for years...always good to get refreshed this morning while I drank my coffee.
I also learned that maybe Temple Adath Israel at Bathurst and Wilson better buckle up and prepare because with the word "Israel" in their title I guess they're a fair bombing target, according to the twisted logic I see here.
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I support rules based governance.
Charge people for acts of violence and charge people who are sending money to genocide in Israel, promoting genocide has a 5 year sentence in Canada.
whether Israel “fucked up” and is another discussion altogether. When Jewish people are trolled on a thread about a shooting at a synagogue then we’re in the right to fight back against the idea that we’re genocidal Zionists. When it’s the other side pursuing genocidal ideas whether October 7 or the Iranian regime threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. There IS a right and wrong here, sorry.
how Israel conducted themselves can be discussed and the IsraelI people themselves criticize the government lord and settlements are a whole idea altogether. Happy to provide education onsome on those points too
Yes He did punish them. He didn't promise them any land, or any virgins. He took away their reason to fight.
As an atheist, I disagree.
My morality, which is not due to being a member of an ethnic/religious group, is all about being kind to others. Of course I hope they will reciprocate, but don't necessarily expect them to.
I feel guilt if I have inadvertently harmed another person by any deed or action within my conscious control.
I give freely to many charities, especially in regards to caring for the homeless, food banks, disease cure foundations, hospitals, indigenous charities, and even, pre-Oct. 7, 2023, I sent a large donation to Gaza when I had no idea that I might have only provided funds for weapons, tunnels, and enriching the leaders of Hamas.
Atheism does not imply a lack of basic human morality. You don't have to fear a deity, or not "going to heaven", in order to live a moral life.
All you need is a basic personal philosophy of "right and wrong", and a desire to do what you feel as being "moral and right" on a day-to-day basis.
When presented with evidence Israel funds terrorism and supports genocide most supporters and media brain washed people get defensive and emotional.
Just ask them why these quotes exist anytime they want to talk about who the real "terrorists" are they will side track the conversation into a different topic.
As an atheist, I appreciate the humane response. Your qualities have always been evident in the way you respond on this board.
"Believe" being the operative word.
It's faith. Just because one is entitled to it, doesn't make it the truth.
And in that effort to establish a safe Jewish state, the Zionists have succeeded in establishing one of the most unsafe countries for Jews, while also committing genocide, which makes Israel even more unsafe today by plunging the entire region into war.
Also, could you also explain why white Jews are racist towards non-white Jews if Israel is supposed to be for all Jews?
Don't deny this because I have been personally told by many Ashkenazi Israelis Jews living in Israel, that "Ethiopian Jews" or other Sephardic Jews are not "real Jews".
Ehud Barak himself was on tape saying that to Epstein.
Do you deny the reality of these?
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To be honest, given the extreme complexity of higher order living organisms, I can almost believe in "intelligent design".
But when it comes to a currently exiting deity, I am far more likely to believe in a malevolent deity than a benevolent one.
How else can you account for the tragic man-made and natural events that kill, or even just severely injure, innocent humans and animals, not to mention religious wars, and diseases such as childhood leukemia and Covid, etc., etc., etc.
Nonetheless, in the absence of evidence, it all boils down to "shit happens", and often to "good people", including innocent children, as well as "bad people.
My ex-sister-in-law, who is an extremely devout evangelical Christian, is convinced that "The Rapture" is nigh, and absolutely believes that Satan fooled Muhammad into believing that Satan is God = Allah.
She also firmly believes that Covid vaccinations will prevent young women from becoming pregnant.
Of course, as I am a pure atheist, I do not believe in Satan, or God, in any form, but there is zero point in debating that with her.
I do sort of believe that "what goes around comes around", which is kind of karma...
But I absolutely do not believe in an after-life. I do believe that when you die it's like turning off a computer, or the ending of The Sopranos. Everything goes to black.
And I am not afraid of that at all.
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Every time some zionist argues its antisemitic to be against zionism and its genocide you are trying to convince people that all Jewish people are genocidal racists.whether Israel “fucked up” and is another discussion altogether. When Jewish people are trolled on a thread about a shooting at a synagogue then we’re in the right to fight back against the idea that we’re genocidal Zionists. When it’s the other side pursuing genocidal ideas whether October 7 or the Iranian regime threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. There IS a right and wrong here, sorry.
how Israel conducted themselves can be discussed and the IsraelI people themselves criticize the government lord and settlements are a whole idea altogether. Happy to provide education onsome on those points too
Then you get the attacks.
But yeah, zionism fucked up and its time for it to join the Nazis in the corner.
How?
A lot of them are Caucasians from Europe. Yes, they follow a religion that originated in the middle east, but that's about it.
If Caucasians from Europe had a right to move to Israel, then don't you think Palestinians who have lived there forever have a bigger claim?
By the way, could you explain how a non-Jew like me, could convert to Judaism tomorrow, with no previous connections to that land, and still make Aliyah, but a Palestinian Arab Muslim, who was ethnically cleansed or displaced from there, cannot?
I've seen this a few times.
Speak ill of Israel and they follow a predetermined script - a) A lengthy kooky unscientific rant about how Jews belong there yada yada b) Accuse the person challenging of anti-semitism, hate, bias etc and c) Run away. lmfao.
Blah, blah, blah.
And that is evidence for "Point B" in my post. lmfao.
Do you know history? The Jews are not just a religion but an ethnic group that was driven out of Israel hundreds of years before Islam was ever even created so that’s point one. We’re the natives not the Arabs. You should maybe do a land acknowledgment for us.
They’re Caucasian only because they were forced from said lands and moved to colder lands where genealogical changes happen. Also the majority of Jews in Israel are in fact Sephardic Jews who came back to Israel after they were forced out of Arab states, apartheid if you will.
whoever said Jews were not capable of being racist? also, they’re human and the ashkenazi Jews also discriminated against against Sephardi Jews whom some saw as less educated and backward. But guess what? after time things changed and they are now much better integrated, and the same will happen with the Ethiopians, whom without Israel would be in dire straits in that country. And no country would help them like Israel did and would again. You think Canada would? Again if you wanted to be fair compare Israel to any other country in the Middle East where there is no democracy and extreme levels of forced slavery and racism targeted towards non Arabs. Also they were so very happy to use Palestinian as canon fodder. Israel would have been happy to have them leave Gaza into Sinai where they’d probably be happier and also not dead.
Also you can’t convert to Judaism in a day buddy it usually takes a long time but I don’t think you’re interested in joining us Zionists. Saying Zionist or Apartheid or calling us Nazis may convince other weak minded people to believe it to be true. But the real facists are in Iran and they are the real genocial monsters along with their axis of hate.
my feeling is none of this rebuttal matters anyway. You and your ilk are determined with others to label Israel as the demon. So did the Nazis label Jews the same way. So did the Soviets, Greeks and the Romans and everyone else. And where they failed you all will fail too.
Jewish people belong to many different ethnicities, cultures and nationalities.
A minority of Jews are. The majority aren't.
They come from other countries and continents as settlers and/or immigrants to the state of Israel.
White people are not native to the middle east.
No they are caucasian because they are native to Europe, and when Jews from the middle east move there 1000s of years ago, they mixed and married, just like every other population in the world.
Well, Ehud Barak said, "Previously we had to accept people from Africa etc., But now we have enough people we can admit the right kind of Jew. We can admit 1M Jews from Russia, so they will be tall, white, slim....".
A former PM saying that doesn't seem like "better integrated".
Well, it doesn't matter how long it takes, my genetics isn't going to change.
I don't have any connections to that land anyway.
But according to Israeli law, I can make Aliyah when I do convert.
But Palestinian Arabs who were ethnically cleansed cannot.
No we don't have to label Israel as a demon.
We can just call a spade a spade and just say that Israel has committed genocide.
Oh and, here we go another example for "Point B". lmfao.
Actually, I think just like in occurred in the past, I think Israel will not be a viable state in the long run.
I don't see Israel lasting for more than a couple of 100 years and that is quite a short lifespan for a state.
This is because Israel is a structurally weak nation.
Doesn't have a constitution, bill of rights, legal egalitarianism, proper separation of powers etc.,
Additionally, the countries identity is based primarily on an assumption of existential threats to a community.
Which means the existential threat needs to exist at all times and the moment it ceases to exist, the country has no reason to exist either.
So I either think Israel will get destroyed through endless wars over a long period of time, or perhaps establish peace, which will gradually undermine its own viability and justification to exist as a Jewish state.
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Your handling of facts is about as good as Shaquille O’Neal’s free throw game. Type in “are Jews an ethnicity” on google and see what comes up? Us Jews, including white ones all have genes from the Levant (that’s where Israel is, btw) and the Arabs guess what? Came from Arabia And they tried to spread their religion by imposing their will on others through economic, political and military domination. That isn’t very nice or peaceful sounding is it???
I’m not interested in debating you further because it’s a waste of time. Btw, i never claimed anything about being anti semitic. I just said where all the others who thought we’d disappear were wrong so will you be. Again hating one and pointing out the faults of one small country more than any other isn’t an interesting idea and you’re not making points that will convince me. We’re talking over each other. And anyways, I suspect that two hundred years from now we’ll be dead and Israel will still be there.
I’m not interested in debating you further because it’s a waste of time. Btw, i never claimed anything about being anti semitic. I just said where all the others who thought we’d disappear were wrong so will you be. Again hating one and pointing out the faults of one small country more than any other isn’t an interesting idea and you’re not making points that will convince me. We’re talking over each other. And anyways, I suspect that two hundred years from now we’ll be dead and Israel will still be there.
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