War with Iran

mellowjello said:

My concern is that as justified as Iran is to hit these neighbouring oil states for their part in supporting the aggression, it plays right into Israeli hands
by creating all these failed states to be exploited by them. Is there a fine line in there somewhere?

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Iran has a strategy and it likely won't do that.
They've only hit american bases and oil infrastructure in UAE so far.
They have said now that ships can pass through if either the oil is paid in yuans or that country ejects their american bases.

Israel hit Oman and Saudi oil as black flags but the intel warned those countries first.
Now american support is a liability, as is backing israel.

Impressive targeting

squeezer said:

They are doing what is easiest to do for them. The reality is, militarily, they are getting pummeled.

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You keep posting statements like that with nothing to back it up.
Yes, Iran is being hit, hospitals and residential areas mostly to try to make the people revolt.
But Iranian missiles haven't slowed down one bit, trump doesn't have air dominance and his navy had to retreat.

HungSowel said:

As a conservative I can only process numbers upto 50k, numbers greater than 50k get rounded down to 50k. So what Jared is doing is no worse than hunter biden with his 50k a month hustle.

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You reinforce the perception that cons are stupid with such comments.

mellowjello said:

My concern is that as justified as Iran is to hit these neighbouring oil states for their part in supporting the aggression, it plays right into Israeli hands
by creating all these failed states to be exploited by them. Is there a fine line in there somewhere?

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Yes they are hitting only US assets and US personnel. Seems reasonable to me.

squeezer said:

The reality is, militarily, they are getting pummeled.

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There was never a scenario where they wouldn't get pummelled, even by Iranian assessments.
They know they are in an asymmetric war, where they will be massively disadvantaged and cannot actually militarily win.
Their strategy is clear - a) Survive b) Make it too costly for the US and Israel to continue the war and c) Turn the GCC against US and Israel.
And of course, use information warfare to make the US and Israel unpopular.
Which if I am honest, is not very difficult to do. lmfao.

nottyboi said:

You reinforce the perception that cons are stupid with such comments.

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I think he is being sarcastic.

Shaquille Oatmeal said:

There was never a scenario where they wouldn't get pummelled, even by Iranian assessments.
They know they are in an asymmetric war, where they will be massively disadvantaged and cannot actually militarily win.
Their strategy is clear - a) Survive b) Make it too costly for the US and Israel to continue the war and c) Turn the GCC against US and Israel.
And of course, use information warfare to make the US and Israel unpopular.
Which if I am honest, is not very difficult to do. lmfao.

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U.S./Israel will be so fucked if they don't win this war.
If Iran survives this, I can see China coming in for a rapid, massive reconstruction and military build up with China gaining a foothold in Iran.
Just like the U.S. did in Europe after WWII.

mellowjello said:

U.S./Israel will be so fucked if they don't win this war.
If Iran survives this, I can see China coming in for a rapid, massive reconstruction and military build up with China gaining a foothold in Iran.
Just like the U.S. did in Europe after WWII.

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China and Russia will inevitably be involved in this war the longer it goes on.
There is lots of money to be made in conflicts such as this.
Also, I don't think "winning" this war is possible.
It will boil down to narratives and information warfare.

President Donald Trump said Saturday that "many Countries, especially those who are affected by Iran’s attempted closure of the Hormuz Strait, will be sending War Ships, in conjunction with the United States of America, to keep the Strait open and safe."

"We have already destroyed 100% of Iran’s Military capability, but it’s easy for them to send a drone or two, drop a mine, or deliver a close range missile somewhere along, or in, this Waterway, no matter how badly defeated they are," Trump wrote on Truth Social.

"Hopefully China, France, Japan, South Korea, the UK, and others, that are affected by this artificial constraint, will send Ships to the area so that the Hormuz Strait will no longer be a threat by a Nation that has been totally decapitated," he added.

"In the meantime, the United States will be bombing the hell out of the shoreline, and continually shooting Iranian Boats and Ships out of the water," Trump also said. "One way or the other, we will soon get the Hormuz Strait OPEN, SAFE, and FREE!"

Well, what are Nazis without a reference to eugenics, to dehumanize the enemy as they prepare for genocide?
Nazis do what Nazis do.

Shaquille Oatmeal said:

There was never a scenario where they wouldn't get pummelled, even by Iranian assessments.
They know they are in an asymmetric war, where they will be massively disadvantaged and cannot actually militarily win.
Their strategy is clear - a) Survive b) Make it too costly for the US and Israel to continue the war and c) Turn the GCC against US and Israel.
And of course, use information warfare to make the US and Israel unpopular.
Which if I am honest, is not very difficult to do. lmfao.

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Exactly, Iran has a strategy and they are sticking to it. They hit radars, then american bases, then Israeli bases, then airports and today they went after Israeli leaders.
Speaking of which, where is Netanyahu? They posted an AI video to cover for him not being seen in public for 5 days now.

trump knows he is in trouble, he declares that he's destroyed 100% of Iran's military while at the same time is begging for another country to come in and save him.

For those not tracking the actual targeting and strategy



DAY 15. THE US JUST BOMBED IRAN'S OIL LIFELINE. AND IRAN'S RESPONSE CHANGES EVERYTHING.
The targets have changed AGAIN. And this time, both sides just crossed lines that can't be uncrossed. Look at the escalation ladder. Then realize we just jumped 5 rungs in 48 hours.
Week 1 Targets: Day 1-3 — Israeli military bases
Day 4-6 — Israeli air defenses + ports
Day 7-8 — Gulf oil infrastructure + shipping lanes Week 2 Targets:
Day 9 — Strait of Hormuz CLOSED. 1,000+ ships stranded.
Day 10 — Civilian vessels attacked off Iraq coast with unmanned surface drones
Day 11 — Israeli cities hit directly. Casualties climbing.
Day 12 — Ballistic missiles strike northern Israel. 50+ injured.
Day 13 — Ballistic missile fired at NATO's Incirlik Air Base in TURKEY
Day 14-15 — THIS IS WHERE IT BREAKS:
Day 14 — US bombs KHARG ISLAND. 90% of Iran's oil exports. Trump warns oil facilities are NEXT.

Day 14 — Iran strikes 5 US refueling planes at Prince Sultan Air Base in SAUDI ARABIA
Day 14 — Satellite images confirm Iranian missile WIPED OUT half of US Al Dhafa barracks in UAE
Day 15 — IRGC declares all US military sites in UAE ports and docks are "LEGITIMATE TARGETS"
Day 15 — Iran demands Hormuz passage be paid in CHINESE YUAN — not dollars
Day 15 — Iran fires missiles at Israel AGAIN. IDF confirms detection of launches.
Day 15 — Israeli Defense Minister: "War entering DECISIVE PHASE that will continue as long as necessary"
Day 15 — Iran claims USS Abraham Lincoln has been "DISABLED" and left the region
Day 15 is the one that changes everything. Here's why:
The US just proved it can hit Kharg Island — Iran's $80 BILLION per year oil terminal — whenever it wants. Trump's message: stop or we destroy your economy. Iran's response? They didn't flinch. They hit US bases in Saudi Arabia AND the UAE. Then declared ALL US military sites across the Gulf are now fair game. Then demanded the world pay them in YUAN to use Hormuz. Read that again. Iran just told the US dollar to go to hell. Here's what ELSE happened in the last 24 hours: Kharg Island struck — military targets destroyed, oil facilities deliberately spared as a WARNING Iran pre-emptied Kharg oil tanks BEFORE the strike — loadings jumped 1.5x. They saw it coming.
Two tankers loading at Kharg RIGHT NOW — Iran's oil exports continue despite the bombing Iran threatens "upgraded weapons with GREATER destructive power and precision" France and Italy opened emergency talks with Iran to secure Hormuz passage — NATO allies breaking ranks 40 buildings damaged in Bandar Abbas from US airstrikes 6 civilians killed in drone strike on Ilam province in western Iran Airstrikes targeted Shiraz Electronic Industries — Iran's military tech manufacturing HUB Iran's internet blackout: 316+ hours. 90 MILLION people cut off from the world.2,000+ killed across 10 nations. And counting.

The pattern from Day 1-8 was: surge → pause → reload. The pattern from Day 9-13 was: ESCALATE → EXPAND → HIT NEW COUNTRIES. The pattern from Day 14-15 is: BOTH SIDES BOMBING EACH OTHER'S ECONOMIC LIFELINES. This is no longer a military war. This is an ECONOMIC WAR. Iran isn't running out. Iran isn't slowing down. And now the US is hitting oil infrastructure. The worst day hasn't come yet.

As i mentioned before, they'll likely land troops on the island they just bombed as kind of a macho thing, as they are now moving marines closer to the straights. And the troops will be sitting ducks. If you see a general resign that will tell you they know it's a bad idea to cosplay.
Hegseth's contempt for rules of engagement means he's jonesing to be the USA's best war criminal.
He made his bones as a podcaster defending navy seal Eddie Gallagher who was brought up on war crime charges by his own men for target shooting civilians. And Trump pardoned Gallagher based mainly on Hegseth's defence.
He wants to turn the US Army into the Russian Army.

BIIM said:

Anything can and will happen, nobody really know

People tend to forget that Hitler, didn't like all white Europeans. He didn't like Polish, Ukrainians, Italians, Greek, Russians, Portuguese.
Hitler was about German, Dutch, Austrian, the Scandinavians basically.

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trump is a white supremacist who hates anyone with bad 'genetics' as he said.
Netanyahu is a Jewish supremacist who thinks everyone else is Goyim.

Good list of what we know Iran has hit so far.
While all we know about trump hitting are hospitals and civilians.

kherg007 said:

As i mentioned before, they'll likely land troops on the island they just bombed as kind of a macho thing, as they are now moving marines closer to the straights. And the troops will be sitting ducks. If you see a general resign that will tell you they know it's a bad idea to cosplay.
Hegseth's contempt for rules of engagement means he's jonesing to be the USA's best war criminal.
He made his bones as a podcaster defending navy seal Eddie Gallagher who was brought up on war crime charges by his own men for target shooting civilians. And Trump pardoned Gallagher based mainly on Hegseth's defence.
He wants to turn the US Army into the Russian Army.

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This is what's coming.

Frankfooter said:

trump knows he is in trouble, he declares that he's destroyed 100% of Iran's military while at the same time is begging for another country to come in and save him.

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Earlier when Trump used to tweet outrageous things it used to cause fear.
Now people have learned.
It is hot air.
When he says he obliterated something, it was most likely a few builidngs.
Just like he obliterated nukes last year. lmao.

Frankfooter said:

trump is a white supremacist who hates anyone with bad 'genetics' as he said.

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Who is going to tell Trump he has horrible genetics? lmfao.

BIIM said:

People tend to forget that Hitler, didn't like all white Europeans. He didn't like..... Italians

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Hitler and Mussolini were strong allies

Phil C. McNasty said:

Hitler and Mussolini were strong allies

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Like trump and Netanyahu?

Iran's response to Kharg Island.