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A 2500 man Navy & Marine force is being readied for exactly that purpose if that option is to be taken.

It will either be:

a) An attempted economic strangulation of Iran if it were to succeed to the point of Iran staying, "Ok, ok, we give up, uncle."

or more likely:

b) Trump's very own goal, American,"Dien Bien Phu" legacy.

Iran will not quit. Their existence is threatened, America's isn't.

The best Israel can achieve is to continue buying time with "mowing the grass" every so often as they have done and done and done for decades.
And Iran will launch at all the oil facilities in the GCC.
Also a small island with 2500 troops may be a target rich kill box environment.
Not sure how the Americans plan to do deal with that, not to mention any subsequent Iranian reinforcement, where they may outnumber US troops.
 
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It's both. Make no mistake while its a beach head there are significant forces that consider this a holy war. And that Israel is the Chosen Land.
I agree, but not at the elite levels.
This is what I meant about Netanyahu and his predecessors, they've turned that country into a cult of hate mongering, murderous zombies with endless victimization narrative
to pursue they're political agendas. The same with the cultivation of these ethno-Christian groups and fundamentalist zombies in the U.S.
I don't believe for a moment that anyone at the highest levels of policy in either country believes any of that bullshit.
They are soulless, psychopathic monsters that will murder anyone, including their own for their own pursuits.
They don't believe in anything but their own primal urges.
 

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Many commentators assume any conflict with Iran will resemble Iraq in 1991 or 2003. This assumption is dangerously simplistic.

🇮🇷In 1990, Iraq under Saddam Hussein invaded neighbouring Kuwait. A US-led coalition of 35 countries was formed under the authority of the United Nations. It took four months to assemble ground and air forces in Saudi Arabia. On 17 January 1991, coalition air forces began striking Iraqi targets. The air campaign lasted until 24 February.

🇮🇷Over five weeks, Iraq’s military capabilities were systematically dismantled so that by the time coalition ground forces attacked there was little organised resistance. The ground offensive lasted just four days. Kuwait was liberated quickly. Coalition forces could probably have pushed on to Baghdad and implemented regime change. But this was never a stated objective.

🇮🇷In 2003, George W. Bush concluded that the threat posed by Iraqi weapons of mass destruction justified regime change. A second Gulf conflict followed. Again, air power preceded a rapid ground offensive. Saddam Hussein’s regime collapsed four weeks later.

🇮🇷The problem with Iraq was that regime change did not make life better for ordinary Iraqis. Key infrastructure was badly damaged during the initial campaign and there was no coherent plan for what would follow Saddam’s removal. The chaos and suffering that followed meant the coalition quickly lost the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

🇮🇷A hugely successful blitzkrieg-style decapitation campaign, completed in weeks, demonstrated the effectiveness of US manoeuvre warfare and precision strike capabilities. But the lack of a reconstruction strategy meant that a decisive conventional victory gave way to a long and bloody insurgency that lasted until 2011. Around 200 American and British soldiers were killed in the initial invasion, but total coalition fatalities eventually reached about 4,800.

🇮🇷Fast forward to today. US forces appear to be following a similar opening strategy: the systematic degradation of Iran’s military capabilities through precision strikes against key targets. We are only two weeks into this process - roughly half the time it took to neutralise Iraq in 1991.
🇮🇷But Iran is not Iraq.

🇮🇷Iran is a far more complex adversary. Its landmass is almost four times larger than Iraq’s. Given its long history of confrontation with the United States, Iran has had decades to prepare for the possibility of conflict.

🇮🇷Its military capabilities are widely dispersed across the country, and command structures appear designed to operate even if central leadership is disrupted. Iran has also prepared deterrent “poison pills”. One example is the threat to close the Strait of Hormuz using mines, missiles, and fast attack craft. Even temporary disruption could affect a large share of global oil exports.

🇮🇷The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps numbers around 200,000 personnel. Iran can also mobilise very large manpower reserves through the Basij militia and the regular Iranian Army. It can probably mobilise 1.5+ million personnel. (Source: Prof. Michael Clark, RUSI) Meanwhile, it maintains significant inventories of armour, including 1,500 tanks, 6,000 artillery pieces, and significant stockpiles of drones, and ballistic missiles. (Source: IISS Yearbook: The Military Balance 2024).

🇮🇷Iran is also highly experienced in operating in the so-called grey zone. It is adept at information warfare and may seek to shape global opinion through propaganda, disinformation, and false flag attacks. Sleeper networks and proxy groups abroad could pose additional risks.

🇮🇷Nor should we forget Iran’s relationships with Russia and China. While direct military intervention is unlikely, both states may provide intelligence, diplomatic support, or indirect assistance. Moscow in particular will be assessing how the situation might serve its broader strategic interests.

🇮🇷Iran does not yet possess a nuclear weapon and remains conventionally inferior to the United States. Even so, degrading its capabilities from the air could take weeks or months. Initial strikes have reportedly focused on leadership nodes, air defence systems, airfields, and naval assets. When total air superiority has been achieved, the focus can be expected to switch to Iranian ground forces. This is what should lead to a tipping point where the regime is neutralised.

🇮🇷Behind the scenes, Washington will almost certainly hope that internal pressure inside Iran produces political change from within. That outcome would be vastly preferable to committing US ground forces. But given America’s proven ability to conduct decisive manoeuvre warfare, limited and tightly defined troop deployments cannot be ruled out.

🇮🇷The United States will also have learned from Iraq. It knows that maintaining the support of the Iranian population is essential. Minimising civilian casualties and infrastructure damage will therefore be paramount.

🇮🇷The major difference between Iraq in 1991 and 2003 versus Iran today is the role of intelligence and technology. Israel’s intelligence network is widely has provided detailed insights into Iranian command structures and force deployments.

🇮🇷Even more significant is the growing role of advanced intelligence technologies, including satellite surveillance, real-time reconnaissance, and electronic warfare systems. Integrated with AI-enabled analytical tools, these systems are accelerating situational awareness, mission planning, and targeting decisions in ways that were not possible in earlier conflicts. Many of these capabilities have been refined through Western support to Ukraine over the past four years.

🇮🇷None of this means regime change in Iran will be a walk in the park. Iran is larger, more prepared, and more deeply entrenched than Iraq ever was. But modern warfare has changed. Precision strike, intelligence overmatch, and AI-enabled decision-making are creating a new form of “shock and awe” - one defined less by mass and more by speed, information, and economy of effort.
 

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I agree, but not at the elite levels.
This is what I meant about Netanyahu and his predecessors, they've turned that country into a cult of hate mongering, murderous zombies with endless victimization narrative
to pursue they're political agendas. The same with the cultivation of these ethno-Christian groups and fundamentalist zombies in the U.S.
I don't believe for a moment that anyone at the highest levels of policy in either country believes any of that bullshit.
They are soulless, psychopathic monsters that will murder anyone, including their own for their own pursuits.
They don't believe in anything but their own primal urges.
Have you seen Hegseth's Crusade tats? Listened to Graham and Cruz? Ben Gvir and many others?

There is a lot of crazy going on in those heads.
 

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Have you seen Hegseth's Crusade tats? Listened to Graham and Cruz? Ben Gvir and many others?

There is a lot of crazy going on in those heads.

And Tell THAT To The Families Of The Fallen


Jared Kushner Solicits Funds for His Firm While Working as Mideast Envoy
President Trump’s son-in-law is trying to raise $5 billion or more from foreign governments and others for his private equity firm.




Jared Kushner gestures with his left hand while speaking into a microphone on a lectern.

Jared Kushner, the founder of Affinity Partners, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in January.Credit...Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Rob CopelandMaureen Farrell
By Rob Copeland and Maureen Farrell
Rob Copeland and Maureen Farrell are finance reporters in New York.
March 13, 2026, 8:46 p.m. ET
Jared Kushner, one of the U.S. government’s chief negotiators in the Middle East, is trying to raise more money for his private equity firm from governments in the region.
Mr. Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, has spoken with potential investors in recent weeks about raising $5 billion or more for Affinity Partners, his investment firm, according to five people with knowledge of the talks who were not permitted to speak publicly about the discussions.
As part of the fund-raising effort, Affinity’s representatives have already met with Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, which invests the proceeds of the kingdom’s vast oil reserves, two of the people briefed on the discussions said. PIF is led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who has formed close ties with Mr. Kushner and the Trump administration.
PIF, which is already the largest and earliest investor in Affinity, invested $2 billion soon after the first Trump administration ended.



As part of that deal, the Saudis must be given the first chance to invest during any subsequent attempts by Affinity to raise funds, the two people said. Other Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds that invested earlier in Affinity, including those in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, are also expected to be asked for more, the people said.
Want to stay updated on what’s happening in Saudi Arabia? Sign up for Your Places: Global Update, and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox.
Mr. Kushner’s fund-raising is expected to stretch on for the better part of this year.
The efforts show the blurring of the lines between public service and private profit-seeking during Mr. Trump’s second term. Only a few weeks ago, in his role as Mr. Trump’s “peace envoy,” Mr. Kushner met in Geneva with Iran’s foreign minister. The U.S. and Israeli bombing campaign in Iran began shortly after those meetings concluded without a deal on Iran’s nuclear program.
Mr. Kushner, 45, also spearheaded the Trump administration’s successful efforts to extract hostages from Gaza and negotiated between Russia and Ukraine in an attempt to end their war.
In January, Mr. Kushner traveled to Davos, Switzerland, as part of the official U.S. delegation at the World Economic Forum, where he unveiled the Trump administration’s plan for a “New Gaza.”
While at Davos, Kushner also discussed his plans to raise billions in new investments for Affinity in private meetings with international business leaders, two people with knowledge of the conversations said.



As recently as December 2024, Mr. Kushner suggested that he would not seek more money for Affinity during Mr. Trump’s second term. That month, he told the podcaster Patrick O’Shaughnessy that he would “pre-emptively try to avoid any conflicts.”
“We don’t have to raise capital for the next four years,” Mr. Kushner added.
That appears to have changed. In materials provided to potential investors this year and reviewed by The New York Times, Affinity indicated that more than three-quarters of the roughly $5 billion it had raised since its founding had already been spent on investments in companies such as Phoenix Financial, an Israeli insurer, and Revolut, a financial technology start-up.
Affinity’s preliminary internal projections suggest that it has earned an estimated 25 percent rate of return since its 2021 founding, the documents show.
The scion of a prominent real estate family, Mr. Kushner is a relative newcomer to private equity, an industry where giant investors buy part or all of companies and try to improve the businesses before selling them.
When he began Affinity, based in Miami, he leaned heavily on his government contacts. During the first Trump administration, Mr. Kushner served as a senior adviser to his father-in-law, often accompanying him on trips to meet with foreign officials.
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In addition to the roughly $2 billion from Saudi Arabia’s fund, he amassed hundreds of millions of dollars from elsewhere in the region. That raised hackles from government watchdog groups — complaints that Mr. Kushner has frequently publicly dismissed by challenging critics to identify a specific conflict of interest.
This week, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a left-leaning advocacy group, asked in a public letter to the White House that Mr. Kushner be subject to financial disclosure rules similar to other public servants. A White House spokesman did not return a request for comment on the group’s request.
 

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That scenario is possible, but it still doesn’t solve the bigger problem: protecting the Strait from small, asymmetric attacks. Even if conventional military targets are destroyed, it’s extremely difficult to stop individuals or small groups who are willing to carry out suicide-style attacks using small boats, drones, or portable rocket launchers against ships passing through.

It only takes one successful strike to create a major disruption. If a single tanker or cargo vessel were sunk in the Strait, shipping traffic could halt almost immediately because insurers would refuse coverage for vessels transiting the area. In fact, maritime insurers often classify conflict zones as high-risk areas and can suspend coverage or dramatically raise premiums when the threat level increases. Without insurance, most commercial shipping companies simply will not transit those waters.

Trump declaring victory and leaving doesn't mean Iran will stop threatening vessels.
Iran will be stupid to do so, if they stop there is a 100% chance they will be attacked by the USA and Israel again. Maybe a 200% chance 🤣 so if there is to be any security for Iran in the future this is the war. As they destroy the gulf dependant Western economies, they elevate the position of China and Russia in the great power balance, and that is just fine by them.
 
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nottyboi

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And Tell THAT To The Families Of The Fallen


Jared Kushner Solicits Funds for His Firm While Working as Mideast Envoy
President Trump’s son-in-law is trying to raise $5 billion or more from foreign governments and others for his private equity firm.




Jared Kushner gestures with his left hand while speaking into a microphone on a lectern.

Jared Kushner, the founder of Affinity Partners, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in January.Credit...Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Rob CopelandMaureen Farrell
By Rob Copeland and Maureen Farrell
Rob Copeland and Maureen Farrell are finance reporters in New York.
March 13, 2026, 8:46 p.m. ET
Jared Kushner, one of the U.S. government’s chief negotiators in the Middle East, is trying to raise more money for his private equity firm from governments in the region.
Mr. Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, has spoken with potential investors in recent weeks about raising $5 billion or more for Affinity Partners, his investment firm, according to five people with knowledge of the talks who were not permitted to speak publicly about the discussions.
As part of the fund-raising effort, Affinity’s representatives have already met with Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, which invests the proceeds of the kingdom’s vast oil reserves, two of the people briefed on the discussions said. PIF is led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who has formed close ties with Mr. Kushner and the Trump administration.
PIF, which is already the largest and earliest investor in Affinity, invested $2 billion soon after the first Trump administration ended.



As part of that deal, the Saudis must be given the first chance to invest during any subsequent attempts by Affinity to raise funds, the two people said. Other Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds that invested earlier in Affinity, including those in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, are also expected to be asked for more, the people said.
Want to stay updated on what’s happening in Saudi Arabia? Sign up for Your Places: Global Update, and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox.
Mr. Kushner’s fund-raising is expected to stretch on for the better part of this year.
The efforts show the blurring of the lines between public service and private profit-seeking during Mr. Trump’s second term. Only a few weeks ago, in his role as Mr. Trump’s “peace envoy,” Mr. Kushner met in Geneva with Iran’s foreign minister. The U.S. and Israeli bombing campaign in Iran began shortly after those meetings concluded without a deal on Iran’s nuclear program.
Mr. Kushner, 45, also spearheaded the Trump administration’s successful efforts to extract hostages from Gaza and negotiated between Russia and Ukraine in an attempt to end their war.
In January, Mr. Kushner traveled to Davos, Switzerland, as part of the official U.S. delegation at the World Economic Forum, where he unveiled the Trump administration’s plan for a “New Gaza.”
While at Davos, Kushner also discussed his plans to raise billions in new investments for Affinity in private meetings with international business leaders, two people with knowledge of the conversations said.



As recently as December 2024, Mr. Kushner suggested that he would not seek more money for Affinity during Mr. Trump’s second term. That month, he told the podcaster Patrick O’Shaughnessy that he would “pre-emptively try to avoid any conflicts.”
“We don’t have to raise capital for the next four years,” Mr. Kushner added.
That appears to have changed. In materials provided to potential investors this year and reviewed by The New York Times, Affinity indicated that more than three-quarters of the roughly $5 billion it had raised since its founding had already been spent on investments in companies such as Phoenix Financial, an Israeli insurer, and Revolut, a financial technology start-up.
Affinity’s preliminary internal projections suggest that it has earned an estimated 25 percent rate of return since its 2021 founding, the documents show.
The scion of a prominent real estate family, Mr. Kushner is a relative newcomer to private equity, an industry where giant investors buy part or all of companies and try to improve the businesses before selling them.
When he began Affinity, based in Miami, he leaned heavily on his government contacts. During the first Trump administration, Mr. Kushner served as a senior adviser to his father-in-law, often accompanying him on trips to meet with foreign officials.
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In addition to the roughly $2 billion from Saudi Arabia’s fund, he amassed hundreds of millions of dollars from elsewhere in the region. That raised hackles from government watchdog groups — complaints that Mr. Kushner has frequently publicly dismissed by challenging critics to identify a specific conflict of interest.
This week, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a left-leaning advocacy group, asked in a public letter to the White House that Mr. Kushner be subject to financial disclosure rules similar to other public servants. A White House spokesman did not return a request for comment on the group’s request.
Hopefully someday the Saudis will send the bonesaw dude to collect, .
 

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And Tell THAT To The Families Of The Fallen


Jared Kushner Solicits Funds for His Firm While Working as Mideast Envoy
President Trump’s son-in-law is trying to raise $5 billion or more from foreign governments and others for his private equity firm.




Jared Kushner gestures with his left hand while speaking into a microphone on a lectern.

Jared Kushner, the founder of Affinity Partners, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in January.Credit...Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Rob CopelandMaureen Farrell
By Rob Copeland and Maureen Farrell
Rob Copeland and Maureen Farrell are finance reporters in New York.
March 13, 2026, 8:46 p.m. ET
Jared Kushner, one of the U.S. government’s chief negotiators in the Middle East, is trying to raise more money for his private equity firm from governments in the region.
Mr. Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, has spoken with potential investors in recent weeks about raising $5 billion or more for Affinity Partners, his investment firm, according to five people with knowledge of the talks who were not permitted to speak publicly about the discussions.
As part of the fund-raising effort, Affinity’s representatives have already met with Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, which invests the proceeds of the kingdom’s vast oil reserves, two of the people briefed on the discussions said. PIF is led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who has formed close ties with Mr. Kushner and the Trump administration.
PIF, which is already the largest and earliest investor in Affinity, invested $2 billion soon after the first Trump administration ended.



As part of that deal, the Saudis must be given the first chance to invest during any subsequent attempts by Affinity to raise funds, the two people said. Other Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds that invested earlier in Affinity, including those in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, are also expected to be asked for more, the people said.
Want to stay updated on what’s happening in Saudi Arabia? Sign up for Your Places: Global Update, and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox.
Mr. Kushner’s fund-raising is expected to stretch on for the better part of this year.
The efforts show the blurring of the lines between public service and private profit-seeking during Mr. Trump’s second term. Only a few weeks ago, in his role as Mr. Trump’s “peace envoy,” Mr. Kushner met in Geneva with Iran’s foreign minister. The U.S. and Israeli bombing campaign in Iran began shortly after those meetings concluded without a deal on Iran’s nuclear program.
Mr. Kushner, 45, also spearheaded the Trump administration’s successful efforts to extract hostages from Gaza and negotiated between Russia and Ukraine in an attempt to end their war.
In January, Mr. Kushner traveled to Davos, Switzerland, as part of the official U.S. delegation at the World Economic Forum, where he unveiled the Trump administration’s plan for a “New Gaza.”
While at Davos, Kushner also discussed his plans to raise billions in new investments for Affinity in private meetings with international business leaders, two people with knowledge of the conversations said.



As recently as December 2024, Mr. Kushner suggested that he would not seek more money for Affinity during Mr. Trump’s second term. That month, he told the podcaster Patrick O’Shaughnessy that he would “pre-emptively try to avoid any conflicts.”
“We don’t have to raise capital for the next four years,” Mr. Kushner added.
That appears to have changed. In materials provided to potential investors this year and reviewed by The New York Times, Affinity indicated that more than three-quarters of the roughly $5 billion it had raised since its founding had already been spent on investments in companies such as Phoenix Financial, an Israeli insurer, and Revolut, a financial technology start-up.
Affinity’s preliminary internal projections suggest that it has earned an estimated 25 percent rate of return since its 2021 founding, the documents show.
The scion of a prominent real estate family, Mr. Kushner is a relative newcomer to private equity, an industry where giant investors buy part or all of companies and try to improve the businesses before selling them.
When he began Affinity, based in Miami, he leaned heavily on his government contacts. During the first Trump administration, Mr. Kushner served as a senior adviser to his father-in-law, often accompanying him on trips to meet with foreign officials.
Advertisement


In addition to the roughly $2 billion from Saudi Arabia’s fund, he amassed hundreds of millions of dollars from elsewhere in the region. That raised hackles from government watchdog groups — complaints that Mr. Kushner has frequently publicly dismissed by challenging critics to identify a specific conflict of interest.
This week, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a left-leaning advocacy group, asked in a public letter to the White House that Mr. Kushner be subject to financial disclosure rules similar to other public servants. A White House spokesman did not return a request for comment on the group’s request.
‘Let’s not forget the other grifter, Steve Witkoff and his grubby offspring

 

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The U.S. was caught off guard. Zelensky had already pitched the idea of how Ukraine solved the drone problem, and Trump actually liked the concept, but his team didn’t follow through on it. There is always a solution to counter any technology if it’s properly planned and implemented, especially considering the U.S. has the largest military budget in the world.

Iran can make a drone for about what Israel pays to social media influencers per post.
They've had years working with Russia on drones used in Ukraine and are way ahead of battlefield tech now.

trump is so stupid he didn't even fill the national reserves and didn't plan for the Hormuz being closed because he thought he could do a Venezuela.
 
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That scenario is possible, but it still doesn’t solve the bigger problem: protecting the Strait from small, asymmetric attacks. Even if conventional military targets are destroyed, it’s extremely difficult to stop individuals or small groups who are willing to carry out suicide-style attacks using small boats, drones, or portable rocket launchers against ships passing through.

It only takes one successful strike to create a major disruption. If a single tanker or cargo vessel were sunk in the Strait, shipping traffic could halt almost immediately because insurers would refuse coverage for vessels transiting the area. In fact, maritime insurers often classify conflict zones as high-risk areas and can suspend coverage or dramatically raise premiums when the threat level increases. Without insurance, most commercial shipping companies simply will not transit those waters.

Trump declaring victory and leaving doesn't mean Iran will stop threatening vessels.
Iran has already laid mines. Iranian ships are shipping more oil than before and countries are making deals with Iran directly instead of america.
Turkey agreed to let Iran hit the american base there in exchange for shipping.

 

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And ultimately, thanks to Vlad.

It was Vlad that invested in Trump decades ago as a longshot. Now that longshot has paid off, in spades.

Except that Biden slow walked the military aid to Ukraine and put stupid limits on it. Ukraine said "Fine, we'll figure something out"

So Ukraine changed the entire face of the battlefield and world security by making drones and their own UAV's and missiles etc. In the process, rendering much of the US military and associated industry very vulnerable.

All these follow on consequences of failing to do the right thing and arm and defend Ukraine in a timely manner is a significant factor. And that Trumputin has cut off aid to Ukraine while doing nothing except easing sanctions on Russia AT THE SAME TIME Russia was providing targeting data for US bases to Iran !
Russia and China are winning bigly so far.
All this is the consequence of trump failing to do the right thing and succumbing to Israeli desires for america to attack Iran for them.
Iran learned from the Ukraine war as well but it appears Israel and america didn't.

Now trump is panicking, sending troops in is Vietnam level stupidity but so is attacking Kharg Island.
If Iran says feels this was an attack on their oil infrastructure they will expand and it will be $200 oil.

 

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Iran has already laid mines. Iranian ships are shipping more oil than before and countries are making deals with Iran directly instead of america.
Turkey agreed to let Iran hit the american base there in exchange for shipping.
I have my doubts about this being true because Iranian, Russian, and Chinese ships can pass. Mines do not discriminate and can't read the names of ships. They can attack ships in other ways, but actual mines I have my doubts.
 

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A 2500 man Navy & Marine force is being readied for exactly that purpose if that option is to be taken.

It will either be:

a) An attempted economic strangulation of Iran if it were to succeed to the point of Iran saying, "Ok, ok, we give up, uncle."

or more likely:

b) Trump's very own goal, American,"Dien Bien Phu" legacy.

Iran will not quit. Their existence is threatened, America's isn't.

The best Israel can achieve is to continue buying time with "mowing the grass" every so often as they have done and done and done for decades.
The latest is that trump is sending 5000 and deserting Asia to leave Taiwan totally unguarded.
The USS Ford is having mutiny issues, the Abraham may have been hit, a third aircraft carrier is on its way.
7 refuelling jets were reportedly hit yesterday.

This timelapse of the 50 waves of Iranian rockets is impressive.
Israel is really pretty tiny when you take out targeting the desert or Palestine.


 

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I have my doubts about this being true because Iranian, Russian, and Chinese ships can pass. Mines do not discriminate and can't read the names of ships. They can attack ships in other ways, but actual mines I have my doubts.
You are assuming that Iran wouldn't leave a path through that they can direct ships to use?
Likely close to their own coast?

Iran appears to be strategically way ahead of both america and Israel, both of whom it looks like thought it would be a cakewalk.
trump hit Kharg, get ready for $200 oil

 

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You are assuming that Iran wouldn't leave a path through that they can direct ships to use?
Likely close to their own coast?

Iran appears to be strategically way ahead of both america and Israel, both of whom it looks like thought it would be a cakewalk.
trump hit Kharg, get ready for $200 oil

My concern is that as justified as Iran is to hit these neighbouring oil states for their part in supporting the aggression, it plays right into Israeli hands
by creating all these failed states to be exploited by them. Is there a fine line in there somewhere?
 

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You are assuming that Iran wouldn't leave a path through that they can direct ships to use?
Likely close to their own coast?

Iran appears to be strategically way ahead of both america and Israel, both of whom it looks like thought it would be a cakewalk.
trump hit Kharg, get ready for $200 oil

They are doing what is easiest to do for them. The reality is, militarily, they are getting pummeled.
 
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