Carney majority all but confirmed: Nunavut's NDP MP Crosses floor to Liberals

boobtoucher said:

Do I count the paved road, electricity and high speed internet that gets piped to my house (I'm rural, I don't have gas and I buy my own water)? If so, yeah, I got that much or more for my house. I also get way better access to services than any Nunivutian. As a Canadian, I want my fellowCanadians to have access to the quality of life that I do, and I do not begrudge them funding it, as I know my forebearers funded my lifestyle.

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you are quite mistaken

that was $ 333,333 per house, not for the paved road, electricity and high speed internet

You say civics includes ethics. Did she do something that benefits her constituents at the cost of her personal standards?

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she accepted a bribe paid for with Canadian tax dollars which is not acceptable for any elected official, each of whom are who are responsible to safe guard the public purse
her personal standards are irrelevant as she has just proven voting in opposition to a liberal legislation, prior to crossing the floor

personal standards are irrelevant/ non existent if they are conveniently flexible on a daily basis

Does her crossing benefits Canadians as a whole?

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absolutely not
the Canadian electorate did not provide Mark Carney with a majority
instead they collectively granted him and the liberals a minority, a check on the liberals very questionable history with absolute power.

Mark Carney campaigned on a promise to be the man who could get a deal done with Trump
The Canadian electorate replied OK we will permit you to fulfill your promise get a deal done , however you are on a short lease, should you fail, we will want another election and you will be free to run on your accomplishments as PM

Mark Carney decided instead he would secure his majority via bribery (with other peoples money) and avoid all real accountability for 4 + years.
He will implement, his globalist agenda and inflate the govt debt well beyond its current unsustainable levels
He is going to burden future generations with crippling govt debt and taxes
and Mark Carney is going to become exceptionally wealthy doing so

His conflicts of interests should have been a huge red flag for the electorate , had they been properly vetted and not hidden during the election
Not an issue for him once he has that majority

the Both of these are subjective questions, but if more people benefit from her decision than are harmed by it, from a utilitarian POV, her decision is ethical.

See, we agree on things sometimes.

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no we don't
you are somehow able to turn a blind eye to corruption
i am not

I have never voted for Justin Trudeau. I do not live in Papineau. If I did, I would be likely to vote for him, because having my MP be PM would be maximally beneficial for me (An unethical take to be sure. Hypocrisy of the Left!?!?!). I can understand why the people of Papineau voted for him, and thus I can't be "horrified". Just like I can understand why the people of Carleton did not vote for PP, because he was not representing them.

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no if you had a loose clue about Civics / ethics you would know any corrupt public official is absolutely unacceptable
Is a murdering. thieving Mafioso an "Honorable Man of Respect" so long as you receive a free turkey at Christmas or a direct kickback ?

You're likely to come back with "Canadians vote for the prime minister, even if they don't". This is an opinion you can have. It is an incorrect opinion, but you can have it.

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Most Canadians vote for a specific political party with a huge emphasis on the leader
This is a fact

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In Canadian federal elections, most voters prioritize political party affiliation and party leadership over the specific qualities of their local riding's candidate. While Canadians technically vote for a local Member of Parliament (MP), local candidate evaluations typically only account for an estimated 4% to 8% of the vote

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As a contrary opinion: Let's say Mrs. Whatserface

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see, you do not even know the name of the turncoat.
it is Lori Idlout

As a contrary opinion: Let's say Mrs. Whatserface stayed with the NDP, and as a member of the NDP was whipped to vote against the interests of her constituents. Is this ethical?

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Her constituents collectively voted to be in opposition to Liberal policies,.
Had they wanted gifts from the liberal party they would have collectively voted for the liberal Candidate in that election ( a candidate who must now be feeling very betrayed)

Is this the right thing to do?

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No
The objective of running for a parliamentary seat is to represent all Canadians and pass legislation for the benefit of all Canadians not to seek out tax payer funded gifts for your riding
take an ethics class

Again, subjective answer, but an MP's job is to make life better for their constituents

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not via bribery
she has shamed her constituents

Her focus isn't on the average low IQ rural Albertan, it is on her constituents.

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WTF ???
no need to show your bias
low IQ rural Albertan ??
Why not just called them gun toting, inbred, cousin humping, bajo picking, redneck MAGA, Trump supporters ?
you likely have never met any hardworking rural Albertans
I have and they were defiantly not low IQ

you do not want to compare the IQs of hardworking rural Albertans to the IQs of the fine people of Nunavut or your IQ
Farming in Alberta would break you, physically and mentally

There is a strong argument that her crossing improves life for her constituents. Hence, she is morally obligated to do it[

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There is an absolute argument
"not via bribery and corruption with taxpayer money"
take an ethics course[

Troubadour121 said:

I thought they were talking about another election, is Carney still going to call it after having a majority?

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nope, with a majority, not for many years perhaps in 2029, 2030
he promised that he was the man to get a deal with Trump. With a majority, he wont be held to account for that campaign promise .......ever.. it was the reason he won.

he will have free reign to implement his globalist agenda, ramp up the crippling climate insanity, and outspend the irresponsible moron Justin Trudeau.
he is going to burden many generations of future Canadian with unsustainable debt and ever increasing taxes
You can kiss universal health care good bye for them

And Mark Carney is going to become exceptionally wealthy doing so

Would love to know how much was paid in bribes to these "floor crossers" ...

boobtoucher said:

As a contrary opinion: Let's say Mrs. Whatserface stayed with the NDP, and as a member of the NDP was whipped to vote against the interests of her constituents. Is this ethical? Is this the right thing to do? Again, subjective answer, but an MP's job is to make life better for their constituents. Her focus isn't on the average low IQ rural Albertan, it is on her constituents. There is a strong argument that her crossing improves life for her constituents. Hence, she is morally obligated to do it.

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You can literally fit all of the NDP in a minivan. How can they whip her to do anything? She can vote any way she pleases without floor crossing.

Second, about this whole constituents thing. Let's not forget this is federal politics, not provincial or municipal. You are really their to represent a direction of Canada, not your riding.

What if Carney decided since Ottawa is mostly liberal, I'll give them $10 billion dollars in investments. Windsor is Conservative, they can go fuck themselves. That's the message being given here.

It's a bullshit excuse. It's really bribery with taxpayer money.

DesRicardo said:

You can literally fit all of the NDP in a minivan. How can they whip her to do anything? She can vote any way she pleases without floor crossing.

Second, about this whole constituents thing. Let's not forget this is federal politics, not provincial or municipal. You are really their to represent a direction of Canada, not your riding.

What if Carney decided since Ottawa is mostly liberal, I'll give them $10 billion dollars in investments. Windsor is Conservative, they can go fuck themselves. That's the message being given here.

It's a bullshit excuse. It's really bribery with taxpayer money.

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Agree with most of this sentiment but regardless of whether it’s federal or provincial, the elected representative represents the riding. Municipal councillors have wards but it’s the same. Responsibilities of those representatives at different levels are different but if you live in say Eglinton- Lawrence and have an immigration issue you’d go to the Federal politician. If it’s health or OHIP or education or whatever it’s provincial.

And yes what Carney is doing is totally corrupt bullshit but Canadians don’t really care and think he’s the anti Trump so we’ll get shit government for another 10 years at this rate.

JohnLarue said:

you are quite mistaken

that was $ 333,333 per house, not for the paved road, electricity and high speed internet

she accepted a bribe paid for with Canadian tax dollars which is not acceptable for any elected official, each of whom are who are responsible to safe guard the public purse
her personal standards are irrelevant as she has just proven voting in opposition to a liberal legislation, prior to crossing the floor

personal standards are irrelevant/ non existent if they are conveniently flexible on a daily basis

absolutely not
the Canadian electorate did not provide Mark Carney with a majority
instead they collectively granted him and the liberals a minority, a check on the liberals very questionable history with absolute power.

Mark Carney campaigned on a promise to be the man who could get a deal done with Trump
The Canadian electorate replied OK we will permit you to fulfill your promise get a deal done , however you are on a short lease, should you fail, we will want another election and you will be free to run on your accomplishments as PM

Mark Carney decided instead he would secure his majority via bribery (with other peoples money) and avoid all real accountability for 4 + years.
He will implement, his globalist agenda and inflate the govt debt well beyond its current unsustainable levels
He is going to burden future generations with crippling govt debt and taxes
and Mark Carney is going to become exceptionally wealthy doing so

His conflicts of interests should have been a huge red flag for the electorate , had they been properly vetted and not hidden during the election
Not an issue for him once he has that majority

the Both of these are subjective questions, but if more people benefit from her decision than are harmed by it, from a utilitarian POV, her decision is ethical.


no we don't
you are somehow able to turn a blind eye to corruption
i am not



no if you had a loose clue about Civics / ethics you would know any corrupt public official is absolutely unacceptable
Is a murdering. thieving Mafioso an "Honorable Man of Respect" so long as you receive a free turkey at Christmas or a direct kickback ?


Most Canadians vote for a specific political party with a huge emphasis on the leader
This is a fact




see, you do not even know the name of the turncoat.
it is Lori Idlout





Her constituents collectively voted to be in opposition to Liberal policies,.
Had they wanted gifts from the liberal party they would have collectively voted for the liberal Candidate in that election ( a candidate who must now be feeling very betrayed)



No
The objective of running for a parliamentary seat is to represent all Canadians and pass legislation for the benefit of all Canadians not to seek out tax payer funded gifts for your riding
take an ethics class

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not via bribery
she has shamed her constituents


WTF ???
no need to show your bias
low IQ rural Albertan ??
Why not just called them gun toting, inbred, cousin humping, bajo picking, redneck MAGA, Trump supporters ?
you likely have never met any hardworking rural Albertans
I have and they were defiantly not low IQ

you do not want to compare the IQs of hardworking rural Albertans to the IQs of the fine people of Nunavut or your IQ
Farming in Alberta would break you, physically and mentally



There is an absolute argument
"not via bribery and corruption with taxpayer money"
take an ethics course[

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Most of this is your usual BS, but 2 things:

1: Mark Carney is already exceptionally wealthy.

2: My 20 summers filling barns with hay bails and the horse-teeth-shaped scars on my arms would beg to differ with your assessment that farming would break me. I also said " Her focus isn't on the average low IQ rural Albertan, it is on her constituents. "

This is the same issue with your reading comprehension that we always get into: There are rural Albertans. They have a range of IQs. 50% of those rural Albertans have an IQ that is below average, you could consider that low. Of that 50%, there is a group of them that have the AVERAGE IQ of the group that is considered "Low IQ". That group is the "the average low IQ rural Albertan". I didn't say all rural Albertans were low IQ. I didn't say the average rural Albertan is low IQ.

boobtoucher said:

Most of this is your usual BS, but 2 things:

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that is a useless and cowardly response

1: Mark Carney is already exceptionally wealthy.

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then he should not have needed to have any conflicts of interest and certainly no reason to hide these conflicts of interest during the election
there is no upper bound for the wealth he can accumulate as PM, while allocating Canadian taxpayer money to his vast portfolio of companies

as a self declared critic of capitalism you have staked out a very inconsistent position
surely you of all people, understand the problem with the top elected position in the country allocating billions of taxpayer funds to companies that he has a personal financial interest in?
or do you just whine and bitch about capitalism when it is convenient for you?

He will implement, his globalist agenda and inflate the govt debt well beyond its current unsustainable levels
He is going to burden future generations with crippling govt debt and taxes
and Mark Carney is going to become exceptionally wealthy doing so

but you, a self declared critic of capitalism, have no problem with that

2:. My 20 summers filling barns with hay bails and the horse-teeth-shaped scars on my arms would beg to differ with your assessment that farming would break me

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i do not believe you
nobody who has worked as you described would ever describe rural folks as low IQ
farming in Alberta would break you physically and mentally

I also said " Her focus isn't on the average low IQ rural Albertan, it is on her constituents. "

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and then you repeat the unjustified but very intentional insult

This is the same issue with your reading comprehension that we always get into: There are rural Albertans. They have a range of IQs. 50% of those rural Albertans have an IQ that is below average, you could consider that low. Of that 50%, there is a group of them that have the AVERAGE IQ of the group that is considered "Low IQ". That group is the "the average low IQ rural Albertan". I didn't say all rural Albertans were low IQ. I didn't say the average rural Albertan is low IQ.

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???
if you are now claiming this is an ambiguous statement

the average low IQ rural Albertan

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then it is an ambiguous and intentionally insulting statement that you made,

you injected "Low IQ rural Albertans'' into the mix and did so intentionally
there was zero need to state either "low IQ" or "rural" as "Albertans'' would have sufficed
but you could not resist sliding that inaccurate insult tucked in there

clearly my reading comprehension is not to blame and you need to work to greatly improve your communication skills

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There is no evidence to support the claim that rural Albertans have a low IQ. IQ is not determined by geography, and intelligence is distributed equally across rural and urban populations.
Alberta, as a whole, performs at or above national and international averages in literacy and numeracy, according to the Government of Alberta.

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it is very odd how you steered clear of the real issue
the liberals use/ abuse of taxpayer money to bribe their way to a majority that the Canadian electorate had denied them

odd how your anti-capitalism ideology allows for corruption and the circumvention of of democracy at your convivence

go take an ethics course

1: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-financial-assets-1.7583443

Carney is not in control of his assets. They are in a blind trust. Following rules put in place by Harper.

2: Your position seems to be that ALL rural Albertans are high IQ. I was talking specifically about the people who live in rural Alberta who are ALSO low IQ. In context, an NDP MP from Nunavut would be ideologically pretty far away from prioritizing the needs of the specific people in rural alberta who are low IQ.

Since you're hung up on the geography of the insult I was trying to make, I will clear it up for you:

I am not saying that all rural albertans are low IQ. I AM saying that rural Albertans tend to vote conservative, and I am saying that studies have linked conservatism to greater metacognitive inefficiency. i.e.

In other words, when confronted with news that goes against their political views, conservatives’ confidence in their judgments does not align well with their actual accuracy. This mismatch, or “metacognitive inefficiency,” suggests that conservatives are less aware of when they are wrong when the information contradicts their ideological commitments.

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You are a sterling example of this condition.

Also: Facts not feelings:

Fresh new tariffs from our new friends at the CCP.

boobtoucher said:

1: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-financial-assets-1.7583443

Carney is not in control of his assets. They are in a blind trust. Following rules put in place by Harper.

2: Your position seems to be that ALL rural Albertans are high IQ. I was talking specifically about the people who live in rural Alberta who are ALSO low IQ. In context, an NDP MP from Nunavut would be ideologically pretty far away from prioritizing the needs of the specific people in rural alberta who are low IQ.

Since you're hung up on the geography of the insult I was trying to make, I will clear it up for you:

I am not saying that all rural albertans are low IQ. I AM saying that rural Albertans tend to vote conservative, and I am saying that studies have linked conservatism to greater metacognitive inefficiency. i.e.



You are a sterling example of this condition.

Also: Facts not feelings:

Conservatives exhibit greater metacognitive inefficiency, study finds

A recent study found that while both liberals and conservatives generally recognize their ability to detect misinformation, conservatives exhibit significantly lower awareness and accuracy when judging political information that contradicts their beliefs.

www.psypost.org

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The toucher part of your handle is redundant.

boobtoucher said:

Carney is not in control of his assets. They are in a blind trust.

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Only thing blind is you.

SaulGoodman777 said:

Just like a sad little totally avoided the questions.

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Salty, I'm conducting a wellness check! I noticed Intrisic has vanished, just making sure you're still well and kicking?

around the world have been calling me nonstop to check up on you!!!

SurlyBear said:

Agree with most of this sentiment but regardless of whether it’s federal or provincial, the elected representative represents the riding. Municipal councillors have wards but it’s the same. Responsibilities of those representatives at different levels are different but if you live in say Eglinton- Lawrence and have an immigration issue you’d go to the Federal politician. If it’s health or OHIP or education or whatever it’s provincial.

And yes what Carney is doing is totally corrupt bullshit but Canadians don’t really care and think he’s the anti Trump so we’ll get shit government for another 10 years at this rate.

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I understand that, but if to serve your constituents she has to sell out and move to another party, why even have an election?

Similar example to what you explained, Anthony Housefather is in a very Jewish riding (He's Jewish himself). His constituents had issues with Trudeau on how he handled antisemitism. It doesn't mean he jumps ship to the conservatives. He pushed for action as what he was elected. Keeps the federal branding, as it was voted for, but can still look out for people in his riding when needed.

Butler1000 said:

He is going to only get one more kick at the can. And Carney in less than 5 weeks will be in the driver's seat likely as to when that happens.

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You know it’s also interesting that most people on the other board who hate Zionists also seem to love Carney, who also is about to get a majority without an election, that’s interesting. And Trump is the Fascist dictator??

It also seems like us Zionists must have not read the protocols of elders of Zion too well otherwise this never would have happened!

and btw, your point on Housefather is taken but unfortunately the Lieberals have been taken over by a red/green alliance and are headed by shallow opportunists. It’s honestly getting to be about time to leave this shitshow of a country.

SurlyBear said:

You know it’s also interesting that most people on the other board who hate Zionists also seem to love Carney, who also is about to get a majority without an election, that’s interesting. And Trump is the Fascist dictator??

It also seems like us Zionists must have not read the protocols of elders of Zion too well otherwise this never would have happened!

and btw, your point on Housefather is taken but unfortunately the Lieberals have been taken over by a red/green alliance and are headed by shallow opportunists. It’s honestly getting to be about time to leave this shitshow of a country.

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Hey, is Netanyahu dead?
He hasn't been seen if 5 days and Israel had to try to post an AI video.

Butler1000 said:

Me? Nah, I'm a lover, not a Fighter. But in any average bar yapping the way you do, trying to brag about how rich you are? Ya, you'd FAFO....

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Riiiiggght Jeeves, sure thing. I've fucked around countless times yet I've never 'found out'. Maybe I need to try a different bar. Can you recommend an establishment that can provide the enlightenment you are referring to?

SaulGoodman777 said:

Riiiiggght Jeeves, sure thing. I've fucked around countless times yet I've never 'found out'. Maybe I need to try a different bar. Can you recommend an establishment that can provide the enlightenment you are referring to?

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You've obviously been too scared to leave Kelsey's.......

boobtoucher said:

Will this be the end of Pollievre? Turned a lock win into a majority for the libs. Ate an apple when he should have been talking policy.

Maybe Con strategists will realize that the culture war stuff is good for clicks but bad for elections. That said: Trumps fascism may taint the conservative brand globally.

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Seems like Canada has to stop worrying about party labels and find a way to get itself out of its ten year plus stagnation and productivity stall.

If you don't frame the problem properly, you can't solve it.

Butler1000 said:

You've obviously been too scared to leave Kelsey's.......

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And obviously you're just making idle chatter since you couldn't provide any suggestions. Poser....

OpXXX said:

They are 0-4 by they're own doing. PP lost his own seat. Had to go to AB for a re-do. Also said he'd change ridings again. It's hilarious to point that out. Do I like all Lib policies, no. Do I like the constant whining and dog whistles from the Cons - no. But some people don't really care who is in power, success and failure are on us and us alone. Doing fine, anything else would be pure greed.

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Canada media pointed out that PP's riding was flooded with government employees due to the obvious expansion of Ottawa's payroll under Trudeau.
Some tried to make it about the truck strike disturbing the community or something to that effect.

We have the same phenomenon in the suburbs of Washington D.C. Government employees will loyally vote for the party that expands the government departments. It's right there in front of us whether we like it or not. Everyone should be concerned about it.........conservatives and true liberals. Hardcore progressives would probably like to see a major rise in government employment and reach.

Incidentally, I bet you those Ottawa area ridings are doing very well economically (on the rest of the country's dime). The Virginia suburbs outside D.C. are fantastic.