War with Iran

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Friends, Ms. Maddow wanted to speak to you....she feels you're on the verge of coming to the good side.

*NOTE* I will not unlock the door to the bus, but that's just me.

Trump is continuously getting suckered and honey trapped by Netanyahu and puppeted by Putin .
America public sentiments and MAGA sentiment are rapidly turning against Israel now more than ever, due to the Gaza slaughter and then the Iranian war.
Ultimately which is worse for Israel, a nuclear armed Iran or the kneecapping of America support?
 
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Trump is continuously getting suckered and honey trapped by Netanyahu and puppeted by Putin .
America public sentiments and MAGA sentiment are rapidly turning against Israel now more than ever, due to the Gaza slaughter and then the Iranian war.
Ultimately which is worse for Israel, a nuclear armed Iran or the kneecapping of America support?
They only thing I would differ with is that U.S. is getting suckered by Netanyahu.
The success and expansion of Israel is vital to U.S.'s long term interest in the Middle East and ultimately, globally. They are partners.
I think this is also Israel's role at the moment, to take as much heat off U.S. and make it all about them
for the sake of the general public.
 
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Man are you drinking Kool-Aid.

5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain destroyed. Other bases also partially or completely destroyed. Straight of Hormuz closed. The two Aircraft carrier had to back off further out of fear they would be hit. Total news blackout by US media. Threats of jail in Israel if they show bomb sites on social media. Gas plants are being shut down, Iraq oil field shut down(these will take take to cold start, up to months depending on damage). Gulf States are pissed that Israel is getting more protection than them.

UAE is in serious damage control, paying influencer to tell lies. Meanwhile they are getting hit. More importantly the Straight closure means no food getting through. Real estate pricing is crashing and there is war time food gouging happening. Their reputation as the safe Western Arab state is now in tatters. And their Slave labour force are going home. And won't come back

The Ayattolah it appears to have allowed himself to be killed to become a Martyr. He didn't try to protect himself. He was 86, in failing health, and will now inspire a generation of Terrorists to go after the USA. If this carpet bombing continues you will see a new migrant crisis possibly. If Iran hits the desalination plants the region is fucked.

Iran continues to launch. This is far from over.
no US bases are destroyed, Iran is struggling to mount any retaliation at this point. Traffic in the Straight is resuming, US underwriting the insurance and offering naval escorts.

I don’t know what news sources you are reading but they are destroying your critical thinking.

The US has single digit casualties, which makes this safer than a holiday weekend in Chicago.
 

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no US bases are destroyed, Iran is struggling to mount any retaliation at this point. Traffic in the Straight is resuming, US underwriting the insurance and offering naval escorts.

I don’t know what news sources you are reading but they are destroying your critical thinking.

The US has single digit casualties, which makes this safer than a holiday weekend in Chicago.
The US cannot stay in the Persian Gulf indefinitely to keep the Straight of Hormuz open. Iran will strive to keep it closed or at least unstable backed by Putin which will help Russian oil futures .
On the other hand, China desperately needs the oil to keep flowing through the Persian Gulf which might strain their coalition with Iran and Russia. There are multiple dimensions to this chess game.
 

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They only thing I would differ with is that U.S. is getting suckered by Netanyahu.
The success and expansion of Israel is vital to U.S.'s long term interest in the Middle East and ultimately, globally. They are partners.
I think this is also Israel's role at the moment, to take as much heat off U.S. and make it all about them
for the sake of the general public.
Israel and America cannot effect stable regime change to their liking from aerial bombardment alone.
Ground troops would have to occupy Tehran for the foreseeable future which is highly unlikely to happen.
 
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