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Butler1000

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Try $118 (as of this writing)

If it hits 5 bucks at the pump in the USA Trump may end up with Trudeau like poll numbers. If the wat continues and he wants to send troops more likely.

He has apparently mentioned a draft in private. I think he would be looking at impeachment then.
 

niniveh

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Then explain why reportage is thin and has been all week.

Easily Borrowed Lies From Bibi: "The Palestinians Bombed Their Own Hospitals/Schools .."


U.S. Tomahawk Hit Naval Base Beside Iranian School, Video Shows
The evidence contradicts President Trump’s claim that Iran was responsible for a strike at the school that killed 175 people, most of them children.



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By Malachy Browne and John Ismay
Malachy Browne is an expert in verifying online imagery and John Ismay is a former Navy bomb disposal officer.
March 8, 2026, 9:39 p.m. ET

A newly released video adds to the evidence that an American missile likely hit an Iranian elementary school where 175 people, many of them children, were reported killed.
The video, uploaded on Sunday by Iran’s semiofficial Mehr News Agency and verified by The New York Times, shows a Tomahawk cruise missile striking a naval base beside the school in the town of Minab on Feb. 28. The U.S. military is the only force involved in the conflict that uses Tomahawk missiles.
A body of evidence assembled by The Times — including satellite imagery, social media posts and other verified videos — indicates that the Shajarah Tayyebeh elementary school building was severely damaged by a precision strike that occurred at the same time as attacks on the naval base. The base is operated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.



Asked by a reporter from The Times on Saturday if the United States had bombed the school, President Trump said: “No. In my opinion and based on what I’ve seen, that was done by Iran.” He said, “They’re very inaccurate, as you know, with their munitions.”
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who was standing beside Mr. Trump, said the Pentagon was investigating, “but the only side that targets civilians is Iran.”
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President Trump said he believed that Iran was responsible for a strike on an elementary school that reportedly killed 175 people.
The video of the strike, which was first reported by the research collective Bellingcat, was independently verified by The Times. We compared features visible in the footage to new satellite imagery captured days after the strikes in Minab.
The video was filmed from a construction site opposite the base and shows a worn, dirt path across a grassy area and piles of debris also evident in recent satellite imagery, bolstering its credibility. The video also comports with other verified videos taken in the immediate aftermath of the strikes.
A Times analysis of the video shows the missile striking a building described as a medical clinic in the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps base. Plumes of smoke and debris shoot out of the building after it is hit as the distant screams of onlookers are heard.
As the camera pans to the right, large plumes of dust and smoke are already billowing from the area around the elementary school, suggesting that it had been struck shortly before the strike on the naval base. This is supported by a timeline of the strikes assembled by The Times that shows the school was hit around the time as the base.



Several other buildings inside the naval base were also hit by precision strikes in the attack, an analysis of satellite imagery showed. Determining precisely what happened has been impeded by the lack of visible weapons fragments and the inability of outside reporters to reach the scene.
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The Times has identified the weapon seen in the new video as a Tomahawk cruise missile, a weapon that neither the Israeli military nor the Iranian military has. Dozens of Tomahawks have been launched by U.S. Navy warships into Iran since Feb. 28, when the U.S.-Israeli attack on Iran began.

U.S. Central Command said a video it released of several Tomahawks being launched from Navy ships was filmed on Feb. 28, the day the Iranian base and school were hit.
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The Defense Department describes Tomahawks as “long-range, highly accurate” guided missiles that can fly about 1,000 miles. They are programmed with a specific flight plan before launch, and the missiles steer themselves to their targets.

Each Tomahawk is about 20 feet long and has a wingspan of eight and a half feet, according to the Navy. The most commonly used Tomahawks have warheads that contain the explosive power of about 300 pounds of TNT.



Trevor Ball, a former U.S. Army explosive ordnance disposal technician, also identified the missile in the video as a Tomahawk, as did another weapons expert, Chris Cobb-Smith, director of Chiron Resources, a security and logistics agency.
Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a news conference on Wednesday that U.S. forces were carrying out strikes in southern Iran at the time the naval base and school were hit. A map he presented showed that an area including Minab, which is near the Strait of Hormuz, had been targeted by strikes in the first 100 hours of the operation, although it did not explicitly identify the town.
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“Along the southern axis, the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln strike group has continued to provide pressure from the sea along the southeastern side of the coast and has been attriting naval capability all along the strait,” the general said.
It is not the only time that General Caine has acknowledged the role Tomahawk missiles played in the early hours of the war.



“The first shooters at sea were Tomahawks unleashed by the United States Navy,” he said in a briefing to reporters at the Pentagon on March 2, as the Navy “began to conduct strikes across the southern flank in Iran.”
In June, a Navy submarine launched more than two dozen Tomahawks at a nuclear facility in Isfahan, Iran, as part of the 12-Day war.
 
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Frankfooter

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So you believe CNN and MSNOW would hide information to protect the Trump Administration and Israel???

Iran cannot compete militarily against the US and Israel, but if you want to believe differently, go ahead, be delusional

What can hurt Trump are gas prices and the economic fallout if Iran lasts for a couple of months.
You haven't been paying attention.


Where are you getting this information that Iran can't defend themselves?
I post my sources, post yours.
Do you think this happened or not?
Post your sources.

 
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CNN via Warner Bros. Now, you need to mea culpable here. There is no tangent argument. CNN has been a military cheerleader since Gulf 1. When they were allowed access on the battlefield. They have always hired Ex Cia and ex Generals to be pundits and to basically tell lies.

MSNBC was until recently btw owned by General Electric, another military contractor. Comcast owns them now and has limited contracts. But they still have to be careful of the FCC right?

The days of a crusading main stream media are over.
I'm not sure what you are saying. AT&T owned CNN for a New York minute from 2018 to 2022. I have watched CNN some the last week they have not been supporting Trump's decision to attack Iran. There have been contributors like conservative Scott Jennings, but he is a lone voice for the most part. Not all the ex-CIA and ex-Generals agree with Trump's action.

GE hasn't controlled MSNBC since 2011. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with MSNBC. MSNBC has been a uniformly Trump critic for ten years. It doesn't really matter what the Trump policy is, they oppose it. I can't even think of a MSNBC contributor brought into offer an alternative perspective.

I don't think the giant conspiracy (or lying for the Administration) applies to the current situation. There's plenty of voices and that's what's important. It's not at all important to seek commentary that matches one perspective.
 
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I'm not sure what you are saying. AT&T owned CNN for a New York minute from 2018 to 2022. I have watched CNN some the last week they have not been supporting Trump's decision to attack Iran. There have been contributors like conservative Scott Jennings, but he is a lone voice for the most part. Not all the ex-CIA and ex-Generals agree with Trump's action.

GE hasn't controlled MSNBC since 2011. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with MSNBC. MSNBC has been a uniformly Trump critic for ten years. It doesn't really matter what the Trump policy is, they oppose it. I can't even think of a MSNBC contributor brought into offer an alternative perspective.

I don't think the giant conspiracy (or lying for the Administration) applies to the current situation. There's plenty of voices and that's what's important. It's not at all important to seek commentary that matches one perspective.
We aren't talking about Trump. We are talking about war. And the USA has for decades supported all military action. Across all Presidents. That is the point.

They do it because of increased ratings, because it gives them access to politicians, because advertisers prefer it that way, including Boeing and the like. Because Wall St prefers Military contractors to be strong for portfolios.

It's not about a conspiracy. The Deep State is consensus behavior. They only allow there own in. Only those of similar opinions are at the levers of power.

Yes Warner was spun off. The majority Share holders are Blackrock, Vanguard and Statestreet. Who are also major owners in defense.....right? And Wall St......right?

They don't even have to say it. The smart on air personalities just know what to do.
 

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Air campaign has gone very well, decapitation has been swift, China anti-air completely defeated, Iranian navy at the bottom of the sea. Iranians all over the world are celebrating and doing the Trump dance. All gulf states are partnering with US and Israel (how crazy is that). Europe responce has been weak, giving Russia hope that their incompetence will continue. No one should shed a tear for the fascist theocracy in Iran
 

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Air campaign has gone very well, decapitation has been swift, China anti-air completely defeated, Iranian navy at the bottom of the sea. Iranians all over the world are celebrating and doing the Trump dance. All gulf states are partnering with US and Israel (how crazy is that). Europe responce has been weak, giving Russia hope that their incompetence will continue. No one should shed a tear for the fascist theocracy in Iran
Time to unfurl the "Mission Accomplished" banner on an aircraft carrier?
 

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Air campaign has gone very well, decapitation has been swift, China anti-air completely defeated, Iranian navy at the bottom of the sea. Iranians all over the world are celebrating and doing the Trump dance. All gulf states are partnering with US and Israel (how crazy is that). Europe responce has been weak, giving Russia hope that their incompetence will continue. No one should shed a tear for the fascist theocracy in Iran
Man are you drinking Kool-Aid.

5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain destroyed. Other bases also partially or completely destroyed. Straight of Hormuz closed. The two Aircraft carrier had to back off further out of fear they would be hit. Total news blackout by US media. Threats of jail in Israel if they show bomb sites on social media. Gas plants are being shut down, Iraq oil field shut down(these will take take to cold start, up to months depending on damage). Gulf States are pissed that Israel is getting more protection than them.

UAE is in serious damage control, paying influencer to tell lies. Meanwhile they are getting hit. More importantly the Straight closure means no food getting through. Real estate pricing is crashing and there is war time food gouging happening. Their reputation as the safe Western Arab state is now in tatters. And their Slave labour force are going home. And won't come back

The Ayattolah it appears to have allowed himself to be killed to become a Martyr. He didn't try to protect himself. He was 86, in failing health, and will now inspire a generation of Terrorists to go after the USA. If this carpet bombing continues you will see a new migrant crisis possibly. If Iran hits the desalination plants the region is fucked.

Iran continues to launch. This is far from over.
 

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I don't see the point of these cluster munitions.
They are basically just tiny bombs that at most can blow up a car.
Impossible for them to blow up a house, or some other large building.

Almost all the homes in Tel Aviv are made from cement, so would be very difficult for them to catch fire from one of these clusters
It's just a tactic.

Sending cheap useless cluster munitions is just to wear down the iron dome.
Or just the continuous study of the domes reaction.
Also to deplete the supply of interceptor missiles. Later on they can send the bigger more expensive bombs.

That's not even accounting each interceptor missile cost a whole lot more than these crappy cluster munitions.
Wear them down financially.
 

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Air campaign has gone very well, decapitation has been swift, China anti-air completely defeated, Iranian navy at the bottom of the sea. Iranians all over the world are celebrating and doing the Trump dance. All gulf states are partnering with US and Israel (how crazy is that). Europe responce has been weak, giving Russia hope that their incompetence will continue. No one should shed a tear for the fascist theocracy in Iran
You would have fit in quite nicely in Jonestown

 
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Oil has dropped back down to $103 but thats only because some countries have opened up their strategic reserves
 

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I'm not sure what you are saying. AT&T owned CNN for a New York minute from 2018 to 2022. I have watched CNN some the last week they have not been supporting Trump's decision to attack Iran. There have been contributors like conservative Scott Jennings, but he is a lone voice for the most part. Not all the ex-CIA and ex-Generals agree with Trump's action.

GE hasn't controlled MSNBC since 2011. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with MSNBC. MSNBC has been a uniformly Trump critic for ten years. It doesn't really matter what the Trump policy is, they oppose it. I can't even think of a MSNBC contributor brought into offer an alternative perspective.

I don't think the giant conspiracy (or lying for the Administration) applies to the current situation. There's plenty of voices and that's what's important. It's not at all important to seek commentary that matches one perspective.
You don't even realize that america and Israel are now censoring the war more than Iran is and that you are not seeing what's happening.
trump has managed to get the world back Iran over america.


 
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