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Butler1000

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Why would anyone think that was the end of that?
The Iranian regime was more determined as ever.
The negotiations before the war were not going well.

I might not have the strategic insight you have and some of our other members have. When do you attack Iran again if they persist with their missile and nuclear programs. While we are at it, how often do you go in and over what period of time? Do you conduct limited attacks every two years?

Again I don't have your strategic mind, but I think the war began earnestly in June after decades of hostilities and threats. The war would have only ended if Iran was willing to negotiate.
Maybe if the US didn't go back on their word so much, you might have deals that stick?
 
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What information is available right now that you think is unbiased?
That's the big question.

There are no official reports of Israeli damage or losses.
trump is hiding his own losses and troop injuries, you think there are only 7 americans killed?
Iran is allowing video of damage and has allowed CNN (despite the Bari Weiss filter) to report from Tehran.

Al Jazeera is limited because journalists are blocked.
Western media is biased, american is mostly republican owned.
Social media is owned or controlled by right wingers and zionists now.

So where can you get the unbiased news you think I should be listening too?
So you believe CNN and MSNOW would hide information to protect the Trump Administration and Israel???

Iran cannot compete militarily against the US and Israel, but if you want to believe differently, go ahead, be delusional

What can hurt Trump are gas prices and the economic fallout if Iran lasts for a couple of months.
 
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This is a military strategic analysis.
 

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So, don't attack Iran for the last thirty years that Bibi has been bitching, and then attack them twice within a year. What changed?

My guess is operation epstein fury.

Yes, that must be the reason. There is no strategic purpose in destroying Iran's nuclear facility.
 
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Butler1000

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So you believe CNN and MSNOW would hide information to protect the Trump Administration and Israel???

Iran cannot compete militarily against the US and Israel, but if you want to believe differently, go ahead, be delusional

What can hurt Trump are gas prices and the economic fallout if Iran lasts for a couple of months.
Yes. Because their parents companies have military contracts. CNN has been embedded for years with the military. It's why they get all the ex cia heads on.

They aren't protecting Trump. They are protecting the Deep State.
 
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Yes. Because their parents companies have military contracts. CNN has been embedded for years with the military. It's why they get all the ex cia heads on.

They aren't protecting Trump. They are protecting the Deep State.

I disagree.

You can’t criticize Trump’s rhetoric or misinformation about the war while simultaneously framing every military contract as proof of some “Deep State” conspiracy. The U.S. spends more on its military than any other country in the world, which inevitably involves defense contractors and military contracts. That isn’t some hidden agenda; it’s simply the structure of how modern defense systems are funded and built.

If someone wants to debate whether U.S. military spending is too high or whether defense contractors have too much influence, that’s a legitimate discussion. But jumping straight to “the media is protecting the Deep State” ignores the basic reality that a massive military budget naturally produces massive contracts.

Also, media outlets having former intelligence or military officials as analysts isn’t unusual. Those are the people with direct experience in national security, war planning, and intelligence. You might disagree with their perspectives, but that doesn’t automatically mean they’re coordinating with some shadowy power structure.

At the end of the day, criticizing Trump’s statements about the war and acknowledging that the U.S. military operates through contracts with private companies aren’t contradictory positions. One is political accountability; the other is simply recognizing how the defense system actually functions.
 
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Butler1000

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I disagree.

You can’t criticize Trump’s rhetoric or misinformation about the war while simultaneously framing every military contract as proof of some “Deep State” conspiracy. The U.S. spends more on its military than any other country in the world, which inevitably involves defense contractors and military contracts. That isn’t some hidden agenda; it’s simply the structure of how modern defense systems are funded and built.

If someone wants to debate whether U.S. military spending is too high or whether defense contractors have too much influence, that’s a legitimate discussion. But jumping straight to “the media is protecting the Deep State” ignores the basic reality that a massive military budget naturally produces massive contracts.

Also, media outlets having former intelligence or military officials as analysts isn’t unusual. Those are the people with direct experience in national security, war planning, and intelligence. You might disagree with their perspectives, but that doesn’t automatically mean they’re coordinating with some shadowy power structure.

At the end of the day, criticizing Trump’s statements about the war and acknowledging that the U.S. military operates through contracts with private companies aren’t contradictory positions. One is political accountability; the other is simply recognizing how the defense system actually functions.
Then explain why reportage is thin and has been all week.
 

Butler1000

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Which parent companies and what military contracts, pray tell?
At&T is a major military contractor, supplying communication and internet, information storage. Including contracts with Homeland Security.

AT&T Awarded $146M Contract from U.S. Department of Homeland Security https://share.google/qWZOHL0MAE3MDHqeh

Here is a recent one. Cripes are really that uninformed?
 

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At&T is a major military contractor, supplying communication and internet, information storage. Including contracts with Homeland Security.

AT&T Awarded $146M Contract from U.S. Department of Homeland Security https://share.google/qWZOHL0MAE3MDHqeh

Here is a recent one. Cripes are really that uninformed?
So which network does AT&T own CNN or MSBC?
 

Butler1000

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So which network does AT&T own CNN or MSBC?
CNN via Warner Bros. Now, you need to mea culpable here. There is no tangent argument. CNN has been a military cheerleader since Gulf 1. When they were allowed access on the battlefield. They have always hired Ex Cia and ex Generals to be pundits and to basically tell lies.

MSNBC was until recently btw owned by General Electric, another military contractor. Comcast owns them now and has limited contracts. But they still have to be careful of the FCC right?

The days of a crusading main stream media are over.
 
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