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So let them. They have a right to self preservation. I don't see why the west should be involved.

If North Korea nukes Japan, or Ukraine nukes Russia, or Pakistan nukes India, we shouldn't be involved either.
Ukraine cannot nuke Russia because they do not have nuclear weapons.
Nuclear weapons other than America nuking Japan have since been used as a deterrent and no country has been invaded by America or Russia that has nuclear weapons. Nuking another country that has nukes has been coined as MAD ( mutual assured destruction).
So America attacks Iran, Iraq goes into Venezuela etc, but not N.Korea and Russia invades Ukraine.
Iran would not use nuclear weapons on a nuclear armed Israel backed by American nor would Iran supply its proxies with nuclear weapons because of MAD.
America is using a variation of the Abraham Accords to remove the present Iranian government towards making Israel less susceptible to attacks of any kind even if it means the genocide of the Gazans .
 
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because nuclear war is preventable

you are unbelievably naive to believe you wont be adversely impacted by any nuclear conflict
So we're back to policing the world? Canada has more to fear from a nuclear Russia or China than a nuclear Iran. And, as it turns out, a nuclear US.
 

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no
the objective is not to ensure equality of nuclear weapons (a ridiculously naive objective)
the objective is to reduce the risks of nuclear weapons being used
The only ones that will use nukes are Israel and america.
 

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So we're back to policing the world? Canada has more to fear from a nuclear Russia or China than a nuclear Iran. And, as it turns out, a nuclear US.
the nuclear Russia, China, US. boat has sailed a long time ago
the stakes are far too high to take a useless moralistic position on whether Russia, China, US or Israel should have nuclear weapons
they have them, they will not give them up and that's the way it is

thus far they have been rational wrt the use of nuclear weapons (+70 years)

a nuclear Iran with irrational religious fanatics with their finger on the button is a very different story

irrational religious fanatics who view the U.S as the great Satan and Israel as an illegitimate "cancerous tumor" and a "little Satan"

there is nothing more evil and vile to a irrational religious fanatic than Satan
they will use the nuclear weapons

AI Overview
Iranian mullahs, led by the Supreme Leader, view Israel as an illegitimate "cancerous tumor" and a "little Satan" aligned with Western imperialism, advocating for its total destruction
. This ideological stance drives a policy of regional resistance, with the regime supporting proxy groups like Hezbollah to combat Israeli
irrational religious fanatics will use nuclear weapons on the illegitimate "cancerous tumor" and a "little Satan".
on the great Satan as well given an opportunity

the good news is this nuclear war is preventable by preventing irrational religious fanatics from acquiring nuclear weapons

you are unbelievably naive to believe you wont be adversely impacted by any nuclear conflict
 
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So we're back to policing the world? Canada has more to fear from a nuclear Russia or China than a nuclear Iran. And, as it turns out, a nuclear US.
Canada is a pragmatic doormat to foreign interests...Hell you can just see Carney hold the door open to the treasury of Canada...With his trans wife in tow.
 

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you are unbelievably naive to believe you wont be adversely impacted by any nuclear conflict
Yes I'm unbelievably naive to think a nuclear strike by Iran or Israel in the middle east will impact us more than a nuclear strike by Russia or China on North America.

North Korea is more a threat to us than Iran, and we haven't attacked them. Iran does not have the capability to strike North America.
 

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Yes I'm unbelievably naive to think a nuclear strike by Iran or Israel in the middle east will impact us more than a nuclear strike by Russia or China on North America.
you are unbelievably naive to think you wont be adversely impacted by any nuclear conflict
and you are incredibly naive to think allowing Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is some how less risky than the status quo
and you are incredibly naive to think Canada should or would ever reverse its position on Iran acquiring nuclear weapons


North Korea is more a threat to us than Iran, and we haven't attacked them. Iran does not have the capability to strike North America.
and you are incredibly naive to think you can justify the acquisition of nukes by one lunatic regime (Iran) with a relative comparison to a different lunatic regime (North Korea)

it is truly eye opening, sad and scary to observe how your irrational hatred of the illegitimate "cancerous tumor" and a "little Satan" affects your judgement
 

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it is truly eye opening, sad and scary to observe how your irrational hatred of the illegitimate "cancerous tumor" and a "little Satan" affects your judgement
it is truly eye opening, sad and scary to observe how your irrational love of a tiny foreign country halfway across the world affects your judgement
 
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it is truly eye opening, sad and scary to observe how your irrational love of a tiny foreign country halfway across the world affects your judgement

i do not love Israel
What part of this did you not understand and why do you need it repeated?

do not confuse my desire for a peaceful middle east with anything else
do not confuse my desire to keep religious fanatics from acquiring nuclear weapons with anything else
like any other state Israel has a right to exist and protect its citizens

Fortunately I am rational enough not to view Israel as an illegitimate "cancerous tumor" and a "little Satan" that requires total destruction

why you want to see fanatical, religious nut jobs acquire nuclear weapons is totally irrational

irrational, fanatical religious intolerance and nuclear weapons are a bad mix
 

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Then let them fight their own battles. Good luck to them. Iran is no threat to Canada.
The lunatic Iranian Mullahs hate the west almost as much as they hate Israel
yes Iran is a threat to Canada and Canadas position on Iran reflects this

AI Overview
Canada’s long-standing position is that Iran must never be allowed to obtain or develop nuclear weapons
. Consistently supporting the U.S. and international efforts to prevent Iranian nuclear proliferation, Canada views the regime as a major source of regional instability and has supported sanctions, this government announcement says

you are unbelievably naive to believe you wont be adversely impacted by any nuclear conflict
especially the one driven by irrational religious nutjobs who hate western civilization
 
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The lunatic Iranian Mullahs hate the west almost as much as they hate Israel
yes Iran is a threat to Canada and Canadas position on Iran reflects this
Iran hasn't attacked another country in 200 years.
Israel has attacked 8 in the last year, is committing genocide and illegally occupying bits of 3 other countries.
And they are a rogue nuclear threat.

 

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Iran hasn't attacked another country in 200 years.
?????
why do you lie all of the time ?

AI Overview

In March 2026, amid an escalating conflict, Iran launched missile and drone strikes against
Israel
, the United States (specifically targeting military assets), and several neighboring countries, including Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Azerbaijan, and Turkey. The strikes have targeted military, energy, and civilian infrastructure

why have you chosen to be completely untrustworthy ?

Israel has attacked 8 in the last year, is committing genocide and illegally occupying bits of 3 other countries.
And they are a rogue nuclear threat.
 

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?????
why do you lie all of the time ?




why have you chosen to be completely untrustworthy ?
You quoted an attack that was started by Israel, larue.
You proved my point.

On 28 February 2026, Israel and the United States launched joint airstrikes on Iran, killing the supreme leader of Iran and many other Iranian officials, starting a war with the goal of regime change. Iran responded with missile and drone strikes against Israel and US bases and US allies in the region, including Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

 

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You quoted an attack that was started by Israel, larue.
You proved my point.

On 28 February 2026, Israel and the United States launched joint airstrikes on Iran, killing the supreme leader of Iran and many other Iranian officials, starting a war with the goal of regime change. Iran responded with missile and drone strikes against Israel and US bases and US allies in the region, including Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
??

''no fair , you started it'' is child level thinking
it did not work for you as a child
why do you think it works now?

you want to paint Iran as the peaceful victim here, as they just fund the terrorists and seek to acquire nuclear weapons so they can cleanse the earth of the little Satan

Iran hasn't attacked another country in 200 years.
meanwhile 200 minutes would have been more accurate
Iran responded with missile and drone strikes against Israel and US bases and US allies in the region, including Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
why is it that you are so untrustworthy ?
 
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