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Trump vows to continue attacks on Iran, says more US troops ‘likely’ to die

jalimon

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Trump knows some US military will die, but it's a sacrifice he is willing to make to cover up his role as a pedo with buddy Epstein.
 
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Let's be a little logical here, in what war has a life never been lost?
Such logic has little relevance to those who died in a war of choice.

Imagine Trump deployed hundreds of thousands of American troops
to Ukraine to fight Putin. Aside from a small handful of bird-brained
heroes I suspect most of the dead or wounded would regret the sacrifice
they made to prevent the Russians and Ukrainians from killing each other.
 

southpaw

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Israel and america attacked oil refineries and desalination plants in Iran.
Iran will respond.
This could be good for climate change. The carbon tax increased the price at the pump, and you supported that. Then it got taken away.

The war increases the price at the pump. Same effect on consumers, driving them to renewables.
 

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This could be good for climate change. The carbon tax increased the price at the pump, and you supported that. Then it got taken away.

The war increases the price at the pump. Same effect on consumers, driving them to renewables.
True, I'm sure there are a lot of countries saying fuck that shit, lets go solar.
But blowing up things releases a shit ton of CO2 as well.


 

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United States President Donald Trump has pledged to continue the “righteous mission” against Iran, until “all objectives are achieved”, adding there will likely be more US troop deaths in the process.

Speaking in a video posted to his Truth Social account on Sunday, Trump again framed the war against Iran as a response to an existential threat to the US, saying that “an Iranian regime armed with long-range missiles and nuclear weapons would be a dire threat to every American”.

Trump and his top officials had repeatedly made similar statements in the run-up to Saturday’s attacks, which killed Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and several high-ranking members of the country’s leadership.

However, they have to date presented no evidence to support that Iran was developing a long-range missile capable of hitting the US or was anywhere close to developing a nuclear weapon.

Tehran has long denied seeking such a weapon, with experts assessing that if it did seek nuclear weapons, the development would still be several years off. The US launched its attacks alongside Israel in the middle of ongoing US-Iran talks on its nuclear programme.

Trump also referenced the three US military personnel confirmed killed on Sunday amid Iran’s regional retaliation.

“As one nation, we grieve for the true American patriots who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation, even as we continue the righteous mission for which they gave their lives,” Trump said.

“And sadly, there will likely be more before it ends,” he said. “That’s the way it is – likely be more, but we’ll do everything possible where that won’t be the case.”

He added: “But America will avenge their deaths, and deliver the most punishing blow to the terrorists who have waged war against, basically, civilisation”.

No mention of diplomacy

The speech marked a stark contrast to several interviews Trump had given throughout the day, in which he appeared to float diplomatic off-ramps.

“They want to talk, and I have agreed to talk, so I will be talking to them,” Trump told the Atlantic magazine, referring to what the publication described as Iran’s “new leadership”.

“They should have given what was very practical and easy to do sooner. They waited too long,” he said.

A White House official confirmed to Al Jazeera that Trump was willing to engage with Iran’s new leaders.

Earlier on Sunday, Iran announced a three-member interim leadership council to run the government in the wake of Khamenei’s killing. It includes: President Masoud Pezeshkian; the chief justice of the Supreme Court, Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejei; and a member of the Guardian Council, Ayatollah Alireza Arafi.

Trump acknowledged that some of the negotiators involved in the talks with the US had since been killed.

Some analysts have argued that Iran’s new leadership will likely be wary of engaging with the Trump administration, given its track record. The US also launched attacks alongside Israel during US-Iran negotiations in June last year.

The new leadership could instead pursue a protracted conflict that could be politically damaging for Trump, some experts have said.

“Most of those people are gone,” Trump told The Atlantic. “Some of the people we were dealing with are gone, because that was a big – that was a big hit.”

Attacks continue

In his speech on Sunday, Trump did not reference any diplomatic overtures, instead calling for regime change in Iran.

He again offered amnesty to Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) members, the Iranian military and police who “lay down” their arms. If they do not, they will face “certain death”, he said.

He also again called on “Iranian patriots who yearn for freedom to seize this moment to be brave, be bold, be heroic, and take back your country”.

He appeared to reference his threats in January to strike Iran in response to the government’s crackdown on protesters.

“I made a promise to you, and I fulfilled that promise,” Trump said. “The rest will be up to you. We’ll be there to help”.

Trump spoke as fighting continued across the region.

The US command that oversees the Middle East (CENTCOM) announced the killing of the three members of the US military earlier on Sunday, but did not provide further details. It said five others were “seriously wounded” in the operation.

The US media has reported that those killed in Iranian strikes were based in Kuwait. Iran has also launched a barrage of attacks against Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain, and Oman.

Meanwhile, at least 201 people have been killed in Iran, with 747 wounded, while at least nine have been killed and 121 wounded in Israel.

At least one person has been killed in Kuwait, three have been killed in the UAE, and two have been killed in Iraq since the escalation began.

Iran’s IRGC said earlier on Sunday that it had targeted the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier with four ballistic missiles, but a US official told Al Jazeera that no damage was caused.

Speaking in a separate Fox News interview on Sunday, Trump said that 48 “leaders” had been killed in Iran, although a full list of those killed has not been released. In a post on Truth Social, the US president said the US had “destroyed and sunk 9 Iranian Naval Ships, some of them relatively large and important”.

“In a different attack, we largely destroyed their Naval Headquarters,” he said.

In a post on X, CENTCOM said the IRGC “no longer has a headquarters”.

Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs Abbas Araghchi, meanwhile, said Iran’s military command had been interrupted, with units acting in an “independent and somewhat isolated” way. He said they were operating “based on general instructions given to them in advance”.

Still, Araghchi told ABC News, “We see no limit for ourselves to defend our people, to protect our people.”

So what? There will be more deaths in all wars on both sides
 
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Turkish-made bombs arrive in Israel.. Hebrew media reveals a surprise
The administration of US President Donald Trump announced the acceleration of a $660 million arms deal for Israel, using emergency powers to bypass Congressional review.
The deal includes the supply of more than 27,000 MK-80 bombs, based on the Arms Export Control Act under the pretext of "war with Iran".
These bombs are produced by a factory in Texas owned by "Repkon USA", the American branch of a Turkish defense industry company that purchased the facility in March 2025. The factory is the only producer of these bomb bodies in the United States.
The ownership of the factory has raised security concerns due to Ankara's contradictory policies, such as supporting Hamas and boycotting Israel, which creates a potential gap in the supply chain.
The US State Department defended the move as "enhancing the security of a strategic partner", while a Democratic deputy criticized the use of emergency power, describing it as "contradictory".
 

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Trump finally goes to Dover for the solemn ceremony for the return of the fallen, and he wears a baseball hat.
Disgraceful. Wose than the tan suit or lapel pin. Every service member I've seen finds it appalling.
In fact, so bad even Fox news couldn't take it so they edited in a shot of Trump saluting and not wearing a hat - from an event in the past - yet they kept the other graphics showing it was a 'live' shot of Trump honouring the 6 fallen soldiers.


They've done this in the past showing big crowd scenes from another event claiming it was a march they were discussing that had a much smaller crowd.
 
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Isn't that Trump was hearing his hat when the attack on Iran
was first announced? Honoring the fallen is a matter no more
serious than launching the war that killed them. It seems logical
for Trump to keep his hat on.


Trump finally goes to Dover for the solemn ceremony for the return of the fallen, and he wears a baseball hat.
Disgraceful. Wose than the tan suit or lapel pin. Every service member I've seen finds it appalling.
In fact, so bad even Fox news couldn't take it so they edited in a shot of Trump saluting and not wearing a hat - from an event in the past - yet they kept the other graphics showing it was a 'live' shot of Trump honouring the 6 fallen soldiers.


They've done this in the past showing big crowd scenes from another event claiming it was a march they were discussing that had a much smaller crowd.
 

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In Iran, Israel’s Morbid Military Cult Now Has the US Fully in Its Grip

In this catastrophic war of choice, it is Tehran fighting a rearguard action to restore geopolitical sanity. If Iran loses, god only knows where Israel and the US will drag the world next


Jonathan Cook
Mar 6, 2026

The admission this week by US secretary of state Marco Rubio, echoed by Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House of Representatives, that Israel forced Washington’s hand in attacking Iran has rightly caused consternation.

Breathing life into something that would normally be treated as an antisemitic trope, Rubio argued that the Trump administration had been left with no choice but to attack Iran because, had it not, Israel would have launched an attack anyway, exposing US soldiers to retaliation.

Rubio stated: “The president made the very wise decision: We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action, we knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces, and we knew that if we didn’t preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties.”

Rubio was using the term “preemptively” in a highly irregular and misleading way.

In international law, aggression is an illegal application of force – the “supreme international crime”, according to the 1950 principles set out by the Nuremberg war crimes tribunal. But there is a potential mitigating factor if the attacking state can show it was acting pre-emptively: that is, it was acting to prevent a plausible, immediate and severe threat of attack.

Rubio, however, was not suggesting that the US acted “preemptively” against a threat from Iran. He meant Washington had acted preemptively to stop its ally, Israel, from setting off a chain of military events that would lead to US soldiers being harmed.

Had the Trump administration really been acting preemptively in these circumstances, the US should have attacked Israel, not Iran.

Paper tiger

But Rubio’s comment begged a further question: Why didn’t Washington simply tell Israel it was forbidden from starting a war against Iran without US approval?

After all, Israel would be incapable of mounting any kind of attack on Iran without the critical support provided by the US.

Israel has had to rely on help from US military bases dotted around the region, as well as the Arab states that host those bases.

The attack would have been quite inconceivable without the backup of a massive armada of US war ships sent to the region by Trump.

Israel can withstand Iranian retaliation only because it gets a degree of protection from missile interception systems provided and funded by the US.

And on top of all that, Israel is regional hegemon only because it gets massive subsidies from the US – worth many billions of dollars a year – to preserve it as one of the strongest militaries in the world.

In other words, Israel would have found it impossible to wage war on Iran alone. It is a paper tiger without the US.

Rubio’s comment suggested one of two possibilities: either that the US, with the strongest military in world history, is under the thumb of the tiny state of
Israel; or that Trump has made his own military, the strongest-ever, servile to Israel.

Whichever it is, it is hard to square with Trump’s repeated assertion that he is putting America First.

This point is so glaringly obvious it is presumably the reason why Rubio was forced to walk back his comments the next day. Meanwhile, Trump hurriedly suggested it was he who had forced Israel’s hand to attack Iran, not the other way round.

Geopolitical insanity

The more likely truth is not that Israel forced Trump’s hand. It is that he was seduced by Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s false claim that an attack on Iran would be a cakewalk – if they struck at a moment when they could be sure of killing Iran’s supreme leader, Ali Khamenei.

Such a decapitation strike, Trump was led to believe, would be a repeat of his Venezuela “success”, when he kidnapped President Nicolas Maduro from Caracas to bring him to trial in New York.

In Venezuela, the flagrant flouting of international law by the US was intended to be the equivalent of pointing a loaded shotgun at the head of Maduro’s replacement, Delcy Rodriguez. Do as we say, or the new president gets it from both barrels.

Netanyahu knew exactly how to sell Trump, still giddy on the noxious fumes of this lawbreaking venture, the idea that he could repeat the exercise in Iran. The ayatollah’s successor would similarly be putty in his hands.

Which is why, in this catastrophic war of choice by the US and Israel, it is Tehran fighting a rearguard action to restore a little geopolitical sanity. If Iran loses, or the US succeeds without paying a fearsome price, god only knows where Israel and Washington will drag the world next.

The world’s fate, in a real sense, is in Tehran’s hands.

‘Israelization’ of the US

What the joint attack on Iran demonstrates most clearly is how much Netanyahu has succeeded over the past quarter of a century in “Israelizing” Washington and the Pentagon.

The US has always waged illegal wars of aggression. It has always been more gangster than global policeman. But just because Washington was run by ruthless criminals, it did not mean it was incapable of getting still more deranged, still more psychopathic.

That is what Netanyahu has been working on. And Trump is now giving full rein to the Israelization of the US. The clues are everywhere.

On Wednesday secretary of war Pete Hegseth – the traditional title of “secretary of defense” presumably sounded too law-abiding – dropped any pretense of being the good guy.

He insisted US forces were acting “without mercy” and that the Iranian regime “are toast”. The US would deliver “death and destruction all day long”.

The previous day he had set out the game plan: “No stupid rules of engagement, no nation-building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars.”

This isn’t the traditional rhetoric of US administrations seeking to flaunt the West’s superior values, or claiming to be on a civilising mission to the rest of the world.

This is the rhetoric of colonial arrogance, of the same military medievalism long espoused by Israeli leaders.

Hegseth sounded all too much like General Moshe Dayan, Israel’s defence minister in the 1960s. He famously set out Israel’s overarching military doctrine: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”

‘Mad dog’ tactics

Before its attack, the US had spent years trying to starve the people of Iran into an uprising, just as Israel blockaded and starved the people of Gaza for some 16 years on the assumption that they would be encouraged to overthrow Hamas.

The strategy failed in both cases. Why? Because it ignored the simplest of facts: that the people being abused are human beings, who will always choose freedom and dignity over degradation and subordination.

Now led by the nose into a humiliating war of attrition with Iran, the US is lashing out like a “mad dog” – just as Israel did in Gaza after it was humiliated by Hamas’ one-day breakout from the concentration camp Israel had created for Palestinians there.

Hegseth’s “no rules of engagement” means the US is now open about the fact that all of Iran has been turned into a free-fire zone, just as Gaza was.

Which explains why one of the first targets of the US and Israeli strikes was a primary school where more than 170 people were killed, most of them children under the age of 12.

According to reports even in the right-wing Telegraph newspaper, US and Israeli attacks have already created an “apocalypse” in Tehran. Essential civilian infrastructure is being targeted, such as hospitals, schools and police stations. Residential areas are being carpet-bombed, and food and medical supplies are rapidly running out.

Rubio has vowed that much worse is to come.

The US has evidently been captured by the depraved logic of the Dahiya doctrine, which Israel developed in its repeated attacks on Lebanon and further refined over two and a half years in Gaza.

Smouldering ruin

The Dahiya doctrine goes much further than simply the idea of asymmetric warfare inherent to attacks by a stronger party on a weaker party.

Under the doctrine, civilian casualties are no longer unfortunate “collateral damage” from strikes against military assets. Rather, the civilian population are treated as no less legitimate targets of attack than military infrastructure.

For Israel, the Dahiya doctrine grew out of an acceptance that there were no meaningful war aims that Israel could achieve in its battles against the Palestinians it ruled over or against Hezbollah resistance in Lebanon.

Israel was unsatisfied simply with pacifying the Palestinians. It knew they could not be pacified indefinitely, given that it had no intention of ever arriving at a political settlement with them. The fabled two-state solution was purely for western consumption; it never had any meaningful constituency of
support in Israel.

Rather, Israel’s goal was to use overwhelming and indiscriminate violence to terrify the Palestinians into ethnically cleansing themselves from the region, as had partially occurred in 1948.

Similarly, in Lebanon, where the Dahiya doctrine was first developed, the goal was not to reach a political accommodation with Hezbollah through a show of force. Hezbollah had made clear it would never resign itself to watching the Palestinians erased from their homeland.

The goal was to wreak so much pain on Lebanon that other religious sects would turn on Hezbollah and plunge the country into protracted civil war, leaving Israel free to get on with the expulsion – and now genocide – of the Palestinian people.

Under the Dahiya doctrine, Israel implicitly acknowledged that it was not fighting simply against militants but against the wider society from which those militants were drawn. It had to accept that there could be no victory, no surrender, assessed in traditional military terms. So what it had to do instead was leave a smouldering ruin.

Time and again, Israel has used massive firepower on civilian infrastructure and residential areas to break the will of a society – to drive it back into “the Stone Age”, to use the terminology of Israeli generals – so that the population would expend their energies on survival rather than resistance.

This is what Hegseth and Rubio are now declaring as Washington’s war aims in Iran. A wilful, savage demonstration of mass destruction to no purpose other than the demonstration itself.

Morbid pathology

This is not a winning strategy, military or political. It is not even a failed strategy. It is the morbid pathology of a cult.

Which explains a flood of complaints over the initial days of Trump’s war on Iran from US soldiers about their commanders. There have been at least 110 so far, according to reporting by Jonathan Larsen here on Substack.

In one to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), a non combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers that Trump was “anointed
by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth”.

The Department of War under Hegseth, an evangelical Christian who believes the West is on a “crusade” against Islam, appears to be riding roughshod over First Amendment rules against proselytizing within the armed forces.

The theocratization of US armed forces is not new. George W Bush spoke in terms of a “crusade” against terror nearly a quarter of a century ago. But the process appears to have reached a point now that the top ranks of the US chain of command are deeply imbued with an evangelical fervour for war in which Israel plays a central part.

Mikey Weinstein, the president of MRFF and an Air Force veteran who served in Ronald Reagan’s White House, told Larsen his group had been “inundated” with soldiers reporting the “euphoria of their commanders and command chains as to how this new ‘biblically-sanctioned’ war is clearly the undeniable sign of the expeditious approach of the fundamentalist Christian ‘End Times’.”

In “End Times” beliefs, based on the Book of Revelations, a terrible battle between good and evil takes place at Armageddon – a site in present-day
northern Israel – which leads to the Messiah’s return to Earth and a Great Rapture in which believing Christians rise up to be with God.

Weinstein added: “Many of their commanders are especially delighted with how graphic this battle will be, zeroing in on how bloody all of this must become in order to fulfill and be in 100% accordance with fundamentalist Christian end-of-the-world eschatology.”

The word of God

Central to these beliefs is the gathering of Jews, as God’s Chosen People, into the Land of Israel – a much larger area than that covered by the modern state of Israel.

For Christian fundamentalists such as Hegseth and a growing number of US commanders, Israel is the catalyst for the End Times.

For very obvious reasons, Israel has been nuturing its ties with the huge numbers of Christian fundamentalists in the US. They are politically active – their vote secured the presidency for Trump – and they treat Israel as a critically important domestic issue rather than a foreign policy matter.

They are eager for Israel to seize wide swathes of the Middle East, and largely indifferent about what that entails for the Palestinians or the other peoples of the region.

This all neatly dovetails with the ideology espoused by Netanyahu and the Israeli military command, which years ago was taken over by the same religious-extremist zealots who lead the violent settler movement that systematically attacks Palestinians in the West Bank and steals their land.

As the Israeli military launched its genocide in Gaza, Netanyahu urged soldiers on by telling them they were fighting the nation of Amalek – the enemy of the ancient Israelites.

In the Bible, God commanded King Saul to carry out the total annihilation of the Amalekites, putting to death every single man, woman, child and infant, as well as all livestock.

As can be seen in the erasure of Gaza, Israeli soldiers accepted their mission quite literally. After all, they were not just carrying out Netanyahu’s orders, but an order from God.

‘Clash of civilizations’

Netanyahu has not relied solely on the sacralization of indiscriminate warfare by his own and the US army. He has also cultivated a wider, racist, anti-Muslim mood in the US and Europe to smooth Israel’s path as it levels large parts of the Middle East.

He has vigorously promoted the idea of a “clash of civilizations”, the idea that a “Judeo-Christian West” is engaged in a permanent, joint war against the supposed barbarism of the Islamic world.

The synergy between a US military in thrall to Christian fundamentalism and an Israeli military in thrall to a biblically inspired Jewish supremacism is all too clearly on show now in Iran.

This combined military juggernaut has no interest in safeguarding human rights.

It recognizes no distinction between civilian and military targets.

It prioritizes its own soldiers’ safety – as enforcers of God’s providence – over
the civilians those soldiers are attacking.

And it believes, in crushing the life out of the people of Iran, it is advancing divine will.

This is the true face of the war machine that upholds “western civilization”. These are the real values the West is fighting for in Iran. The rest is a smokescreen.

 

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Trump finally goes to Dover for the solemn ceremony for the return of the fallen, and he wears a baseball hat.
Disgraceful. Wose than the tan suit or lapel pin. Every service member I've seen finds it appalling.
In fact, so bad even Fox news couldn't take it so they edited in a shot of Trump saluting and not wearing a hat - from an event in the past - yet they kept the other graphics showing it was a 'live' shot of Trump honouring the 6 fallen soldiers.


They've done this in the past showing big crowd scenes from another event claiming it was a march they were discussing that had a much smaller crowd.
Can you imagine the outcry if ABC or CNN did something like this to make Biden look good? I mean, the right-wing media echo chamber would spend HOURS calling this out and how its all fake news. Sure, Fox apologized for it hours after the fact, but I've yet to hear anyone like Ben Shapiro or Megyn Kelly say boo about it.

Here's the other thing: How could something like that happen? They had a live feed to cut viz from, showing Trump in all his disrespectful glory. There would be little need to have that old viz ready to go. So, they obviously and purposefully pulled it from their archives to make that sack of lying shit look more dignified. Just shows that Fox is literally the seller of fake news and outrage...
 
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