And just remember its not like flipping a switch. Cold starting oil and gas can take a month or more depending on things.
War with Iran
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Peacefully? Lmao.
You ok with thousands of Iranians recently gunned down on the streets for exercising their right to peacefully protest?
Yes, the US is a first world country, where there are problems.Lmao! Suuuure thing bud keep telling yourself that. First world problems
But the actions of the US are equivalent and it has been proven time and again, that it doesn't work.
It has never worked. There isn't a single case study where it has worked.
This is why you need to stop drinking social media koolaid.
A lot of them are Israeli propaganda accounts, created to push a narrative on Twitter.
You didn't read what I said. These Iranians are not wanting their country bombed back to the middle ages even if they want Khamenei dead.
No. I am equally not okay with 1000s of innocent Iranians being murdered in air strikes.
you're not ok with air strikes but if the regime just shoots them that's all good.. also I've never seen thousands killed by airstrikes...only getting shot by IRGC.
The USA, in comparison to most Western Democratic Nations, ranks near the bottom on most freedom indexes. The Patriot Act, and Homeland Security, are regularly running up against the Constitution. Free speech, while still around, does get curtailed by govt lawsuits, faked up charges that cost thousands in legal fees, with gag orders, along with FBI visits. The press is quite bought off, and partisan. Just looking at the lack of real coverage in this war says it all. Since Vietnam this is the case.
Of course, its better than Iran. But don't you think the point is set the highest bar, and not just step over the one in a trench?
As for how the war is going? The lack of coverage, no glowing propaganda like the previous wars, along with other reports, seem to indicate its not going well. At all. Shutting down energy production is bad. Shutting down shipping is bad. Footage of drones getting through in Israel is getting out. Gulf States discussing cutting the USA loose is bad.
All the Iranian regime has to do is survive this. The only way they don't is the collapse of the nation. They are too entrenched to remove by decapitation. And unless the USA puts boats on the ground that won't happen. The more they bomb, the more the USA will lose the populace. And they are more religious then you think. 50 years of religious rule will do that.
It all comes down to ammo now.
LOL! Good one Sherlock. Totally equivalent.
Germany
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The multiple mass riots in Iran since 2022 were Israeli propaganda accounts? The GAMAAN poll citing only 37% of the country as Muslim was Israeli propaganda?
No, I think the point is that they aren't equivalent, which is why the Iranians celebrate the war whereas the American people would not if the same happened to them.
LMAO! That is not happening and never would happen. The Gulf States are completely and utterly dependent on the US and do as they are told.
There may indeed be boots on the ground actually, they would just be Kurdish, not American. But also, they really just need to weaken the regime and the Iranian people will handle the rest.
I never said am okay with the government of Iran shooting protestors.
I am saying it is neither the US's problem to solve, nor do they even care about those protestors or their freedoms.
They are doing this to institute regime change, on Israel's behest and also to distract from the Epstein files.
They aren't celebrating the war, and as it drags on so will any support.
The world is starting to turn on the USA. Their main clients are India, China, Japan. If this war destroys the oil infrastructure it could end the monarchies. Guess who wins then?
The Kurds are just as likely not to fall for this. They are plucky fighters but number way too small to take on Iranian forces. And they have to worry about Turkiye behind them, who will happily use this. I think the Kurds are wise to the USA abandoning allies now.
Yes, it is.
That was as world war, not a regime change war.
Both previously democratic nations, unlike the ones in the middle east that is divided by sectarianism, and where it has never worked.
The GAMAAN poll is their personal beliefs on religion.
If that is true it is even more reason to not destroy their cities and homes, because that will galvanize them and Persian nationalism will turn them against the west even more.
And your framing of questions doesn't make sense. What do you mean "multiple mass riots are Israeli propaganda accounts"? That's word salad.
I am saying the social media accounts dancing and thanking Netanyahu, are largely propaganda accounts.
They did this during the Gaza war too, where supposed Palestinians were thanking Netanyahu.
But let us not distract from the actual purpose of this war.
This has nothing at all to do with freedoms.
This is about regime change for Israel's benefit and to distract from the Epstein files.
Of course there are. So what?
I did not say anything about guilt.
I said the Trump administration is covering this up, and that is a factually accurate statement.
No you are digressing from what I said."So what?" ...You angry bro?
You like to phrase things in ways to avoid admission of any sort.
You always have to be right it seems, narrow and closed minded, weak.
But it's nice to see you admit there are those on the"left" that are equally as bad.
Trump is doing your guys a favor., you should be grateful.
My original comment was that Trump is covering things up, which everyone admits is true. I did not talk about who was guilty and who wasn't.
Not sure why you seem to be resorting to whataboutism framing everything as a right and left thing, which one would say is narrow, close minded and weak.
Also, no I don't have to be right all the time. It is just that you are wrong most times and that is a "you" problem. lmfao.
Delulu
In which the regimes were changed....
Doesn't seem to be the case. Support for the war is high among Iranians and Israel & the US are targeting military objectives.
What exactly about that sentence did you have trouble comprehending? Do you just not understand sarcasm? There have been multiple mass riots in Iran since 2022 against the regime. That's quite a lot of substantial evidence beyond "Israeli propaganda accounts."
The effect is the same regardless, so the purpose is irrelevant.
It's also neither your problem when protesters in Minnesota get shot by ICE but here we are...
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Yes, but they weren't regime change wars started by the US.
They were wars started by those respective regimes via invasions of other nations.
No it is not. 75% of Iranians don't.
One is an event that occured.
The other is an unverifiable social media account thanking Netanyahu.
The purpose is very relevant.
The purpose dictates the timing, necessity, legality and outcome of a war.
Yes, and I am not physically involved in stopping ICE from doing so unlike the US that is spending $11,500 per minute of tax payer money to wage a war on Israel's behalf and distract from the Epstein files.
Irrelevant. Regimes were changed by warfare. Successfully.
Cite your source for that statistic.
Wrong. These are verified accounts featuring real people, like gorgeous Iranian baddie Moone Rahimi. And it's obvious that the millions of Iranians that have been rioting for the last four years also have social media accounts.
All irrelevant. All that matters is the effect on the Iranian people and whether they support it - which they do.
