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Frankfooter

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You don't like CNN's polling. Here's the Reuters/Ipsos poll:

"Some 27% of respondents said they approved of the strikes, which were conducted alongside Israeli attacks on Iran, while 43% disapproved and 29% were not sure. About nine in 10 respondents said they had heard at least a little about the strikes, which began early on Saturday with a surprise attack that killed Iran's leader."

Americans are starting to wrap their heads around this attack on Iran. As I said, at this early juncture disapproval seems to be tracking Trump's disapproval rating just prior to the action.
I'm sure the higher oil prices for Israel will help with trump's numbers

 

richaceg

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Phase 1: Precision-guided munitions and standoff weapons (cruise missiles, HARMs) hit C3 nodes, radars, SAMs first for SEAD. Phase 2: Standoff continues until defenses degrade enough for safe overflight. Phase 3: In US-dominated airspace, gravity bombs (often JDAM-guided 500-2000lb) deliver larger payloads, higher volume, at far lower cost per effect than expensive standoff PGMs. This isn't "running out"—it's efficient escalation.
 

mandrill

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Trump has splintered and betrayed the MAGAs who thought that they had elected an isolationist POTUS.
US soldiers coming back in body bags from the Middle East will not look good, especially for a draft dodger, 34 felon count ,paedophile Trump now would it.
So Trump as much as he can, will attempt to use or encourage the Kurds to fight in Iran on the ground in lieu of America or Israeli ground forces.
Aerial bombardment alone is impossible to cause regime change in Iran, where a people of ancient traditions and pride exist.
Iran is headed for a brutal civil war, with CIA backing of forces against Russian and Chinese forces which will suit Israel fine just as long as the Iranian nuclear weapons program is crippled and paralyzed and other stakeholders content just as long as the Straight of Hormuz allows for oil tankers to pass.
I am assuming that the Mossad is the most competent player on the board by a very wide margin and that it has an endgame in mind which incorporates destroying the Iranian hierarchy. (Otherwise the strikes would have been limited to nuclear related sites).

That aside, I am concerned. Iran is large, inhospitable and notoriously difficult to invade. (OTOH, I was initially pessimistic about Dubya's ability to take on Iraq and the Dubber won that one easily).

Trump cannot politically survive a long-drawn out conflict or a reverse in the Middle East. And I assume that rules out US ground troops. And without US ground forces, I cannot see that the US and its allies can achieve regime change, which must inevitably be the end goal of this confrontation.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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And without US ground forces, I cannot see that the US and its allies can achieve regime change, which must inevitably be the end goal of this confrontation.
What the US and its allies really want is a weakened, destabilized Iran.
They could pursue regime change and install a Pahlavi-ish government, or they might provoke civil war to balkanize the country, or at the very least, plunge it into decades of prolonged instability. Either scenario serves the interests of Israel, US, Saudi Arabia, and other regional rivals.
However, I don’t see Iranians capitulating like the Iraqis.
By many measures, they are a more educated, proud, patriotic, and culturally resilient nation.
 
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seanzo

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Advocating for violence is a felony and the law should be used against these malcontents to protect the rest of society.
They literally disavow violence you nipple head. The only malcontents society needs protection from are ones like you.
 

mandrill

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What the US and its allies really want is a weakened, destabilized Iran.
They could pursue regime change and install a Pahlavi-ish government, or they might provoke civil war to balkanize the country, or at the very least, plunge it into decades of prolonged instability. Either scenario serves the interests of Israel, US, Saudi Arabia, and other regional rivals.
However, I don’t see Iranians capitulating like the Iraqis.
By many measures, they are a more educated, proud, patriotic, and culturally resilient nation.
I would agree with you, except for the ample evidence that the regime is already well out of touch with its progressive urban population and has a history of quelling any dissent with violence.

The "proud, progressive nation" wants to see its leadership cadre dead and disempowered and - afaik - is anxious to see the US and Israel assist in that task.
 

Insidious Von

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This is what Alexander the Great II is fighting for. Americans must die for the glory of Israel and Saudi Arabia.


Suckers and Losers say your prayers the invasion is coming. Allahu Akbar!


The Axis of Epstein.
 

Frankfooter

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I would agree with you, except for the ample evidence that the regime is already well out of touch with its progressive urban population and has a history of quelling any dissent with violence.

The "proud, progressive nation" wants to see its leadership cadre dead and disempowered and - afaik - is anxious to see the US and Israel assist in that task.
Gaza had a higher literacy rate than Israel, too.
Its the uneducated racial supremacists that are attacking people now.
Israel and america are the worst of the worst.

The senile pedo had a 'feeling' so started a war.

 
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