War with Iran

mandrill

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We shall see there is a lot of shit happening that is not being covered by the press
Presumably the stuff that is "not covered by the press" is covered by the Kremlin-funded disinformation sources that you rely on?
 

richaceg

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Nope, I feel bad for the US military for having such a joke of a leader. A coward with bone spurs leading the military through a drunken FOX Fake News personality.
They've had a joke of a leader since Bill Clinton...why feel bad for them now?
 

mandrill

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Lest we forget the “freedom” delivered by cruise missiles and shock-and-awe campaigns in Iraq, Libya, and Syria...and now Iran.

In Iraq, a war sold on false pretenses shattered a country, dismantled its institutions, ignited sectarian bloodshed, and paved the way for extremist groups to rise from the chaos.

In Libya, intervention toppled a dictator — and replaced him with militia rule, open-air slave markets, and a fractured state still clawing for stability.

In Syria, foreign powers poured fuel on an already raging fire, helping turn a civil war into a geopolitical battlefield that displaced millions and left cities in ruins.

And the Kurds? They fought alongside Western forces, bled on the front lines against extremism, and were praised as indispensable allies — until strategic convenience shifted. Then came withdrawals, green lights to regional powers, and the familiar sound of silence when protection was needed most.

“Freedom” was the slogan.
Destabilization was the outcome.
Accountability? Still missing.

After trillions spent, hundreds of thousands dead, and entire societies upended, we are told this was the cost of liberation.

How’s that working out now!
But surely those countries that the USA "destabilized" were inherently violent anyway?

It's just that before the destabilization, gross repressive violence was monopolized by the brutal regimes in question; whereas afterwards violence became available to the various nasty factions of malignant fuckers in each of those fucked up countries.
 
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richaceg

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Bush at least went to the people, to Congress, before his fuck up of the weapons of mass destruction campaign.

Question, simple yes or no question, is America at war at the moment?
Here's your answer...US is bombing Iran the Obama way...
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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and we are to believe Hegshit and this Admin, who have been known to lie and lie and lie? When exactly was this attempt to kill Trump by this unnamed Iranian leader?

They have been trying to throw everything and anything at the walls as to the why to see what sticks.
They invent new conspiracies everyday.
I think they think these up as they play candy crush in the can. Lmfao.
 

WyattEarp

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I agree with Carney, as I have said here, I do not want Iran or any other country to obtain nuclear capability. Having said this, Trump is going at it as if he's the King plus, what happened to his claim that the nukes have been eliminated claim after the bombings?

Bush at least went to the people, to Congress, before his fuck up of the weapons of mass destruction campaign.

Question, simple yes or no question, is America at war at the moment?
Why would anyone believe that the June attack would be the end of hostilities with Iran?
Iran was given ultimatums regarding its nuclear and missile programs.
I think the U.S. was offering Iran unlimited civilian grade uranium. Lol....like that's truly what Iran wanted.

I think it's a bit naive to describe the U.S. and Iran talks as negotiations. It makes it sound like it was okay for Iran to holdout on nuclear materials and ballistic missiles. From what it sounds, Iran was in a mad dash to finish hyper-lethal weapons.

The U.S. has been at war with Iran off and on for quite some time.

PS- I sense you are happier with your life than many who come to this thread. You also have no major beef with the U.S. and the West.
You have to walk a tightrope trying to criticize the U.S. on this thread. Liberal Canadians don't want to be unified with those who have no qualms with destroying the U.S. Israel and any other Western country that stands with them.
 

WyattEarp

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But surely those countries that the USA "destabilized" were inherently violent anyway?

It's just that before the destabilization, gross repressive violence was monopolized by the brutal regimes in question; whereas afterwards violence became available to the various nasty factions of malignant fuckers in each of those fucked up countries.
The word "stable" as it refers to several Mideastern regimes appears to be an oxymoron to many of us.

Your point about brutal regimes holding a monopoly on gross repressive violence is a good way to explain these situations.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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So it looks like Trump is going to arm the Kurds of Iran and get them to do the fighting.

The Kurdish population is approximately 10 to 15 million people, located mostly in North-eastern Iran
 

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So it looks like Trump is going to arm the Kurds of Iran and get them to do the fighting.

The Kurdish population is approximately 10 to 15 million people, located mostly in North-eastern Iran
Some it seems are imported from Iraq.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Some it seems are imported from Iraq
I'm guessing the deal they're being offered is their own homeland inside Iran once the war is over (assuming the US wins it)
 
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Oblivion
So it looks like Trump is going to arm the Kurds of Iran and get them to do the fighting.

The Kurdish population is approximately 10 to 15 million people, located mostly in North-eastern Iran
Trump has splintered and betrayed the MAGAs who thought that they had elected an isolationist POTUS.
US soldiers coming back in body bags from the Middle East will not look good, especially for a draft dodger, 34 felon count ,paedophile Trump now would it.
So Trump as much as he can, will attempt to use or encourage the Kurds to fight in Iran on the ground in lieu of America or Israeli ground forces.
Aerial bombardment alone is impossible to cause regime change in Iran, where a people of ancient traditions and pride exist.
Iran is headed for a brutal civil war, with CIA backing of forces against Russian and Chinese forces which will suit Israel fine just as long as the Iranian nuclear weapons program is crippled and paralyzed and other stakeholders content just as long as the Straight of Hormuz allows for oil tankers to pass.
 
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The word "stable" as it refers to several Mideastern regimes appears to be an oxymoron to many of us.

Your point about brutal regimes holding a monopoly on gross repressive violence is a good way to explain these situations.
Yes, that is a good way to describe Israeli and american presence in the Middle East.

trump's plan on protecting the genocidal Israeli state is really working well.

 

WyattEarp

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In discussing the leadership you are, as an American, too used to corruption bring the default position of that class. I think fanaticism better describes the leadership in Iran.

And CNN has always been the biggest supporters of wars. Since Desert Storm they have has a deal eith the military. Any polling they do on this, even as unpopular as this one is will always be suspicious.

I haven't lost my senses. I'm predicting it either results in a loss for the USA, with serious damage to Iran but the power structure(not people, power)intact. Or Libya. Which is a win for a Israel. But may result in lasting problems with oil production in the region.

Now its just wait and see.
You don't like CNN's polling. Here's the Reuters/Ipsos poll:

"Some 27% of respondents said they approved of the strikes, which were conducted alongside Israeli attacks on Iran, while 43% disapproved and 29% were not sure. About nine in 10 respondents said they had heard at least a little about the strikes, which began early on Saturday with a surprise attack that killed Iran's leader."

Americans are starting to wrap their heads around this attack on Iran. As I said, at this early juncture disapproval seems to be tracking Trump's disapproval rating just prior to the action.
 
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