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fall

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Iran was only attacked by the Trump regime not the U.S., right?

Somebody firing missiles into Washington taking out Trump
and his gang. The decapitation move was followed by missile
and bombing attacks across the U.S. But that was attacking
Trump's regime not the American people. It would not pass as
an invasion of the U.S.
The difference between democracy (and yes, the USA is a democracy) and a totalitarian state is that, in a democracy, the government is supported by a significant part of the population and actually cares about being elected and has a chance to lose if the vast majority does not support it. So, you can say that USA attacks Iran, but you cannot say that Palestine attacks Israel or Russia attacks Ukraine. And no, you cannot say that Israel attacks Palestine, it attacks Hamas. The same distinction applies to the "USA Government" vs. "Iran regime". You cannot equate democratic and totalitarian countries.
 

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Democracy as we know today is actually pretty novel and
modern concept in the history of civilization.

Someone has to redefine the meaning of invasion warfare to distinguish
wars waged by democracy from those fought by totalitarian states as
interpreted by history. Until such definition is known and accepted
a war such as Bush's regime-change war would be understood
as the invasion of Iraq by the U.S.

Make no mistake about it, the U.S. has invaded Iran. The
war of invasion is fought in the sky so far but we still call
the aliens invaders even if their flying saucers are destroyed
before landing.

The difference between democracy (and yes, the USA is a democracy) and a totalitarian state is that, in a democracy, the government is supported by a significant part of the population and actually cares about being elected and has a chance to lose if the vast majority does not support it. So, you can say that USA attacks Iran, but you cannot say that Palestine attacks Israel or Russia attacks Ukraine. And no, you cannot say that Israel attacks Palestine, it attacks Hamas. The same distinction applies to the "USA Government" vs. "Iran regime". You cannot equate democratic and totalitarian countries.
 

MRBJX

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The difference between democracy (and yes, the USA is a democracy) and a totalitarian state is that, in a democracy, the government is supported by a significant part of the population and actually cares about being elected and has a chance to lose if the vast majority does not support it. So, you can say that USA attacks Iran, but you cannot say that Palestine attacks Israel or Russia attacks Ukraine. And no, you cannot say that Israel attacks Palestine, it attacks Hamas. The same distinction applies to the "USA Government" vs. "Iran regime". You cannot equate democratic and totalitarian countries.
Where does this manure come from.
 

MRBJX

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Trump seemed to believe in the Iranian government. Trump
attacked because he couldn't extract some agreement from
the negotiation. Obviously Trump now wants a ceasefire so
he can resume negotiation.

What would you want Trump to do if the Iranian government is
not to be believed?
Why would anyone believe either side? Trump attacked Iran on no evidence per the pentagon, and now has made more of a mess of the middle east. We all know this has nothing to do with an agreement.
 

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I so much hate when a single word is used both for the government and the people of the country, especially in totalitarian countries. The correct wording should be It should not be "Iranians" but "the Iranian regime." Same as not "Russians" but "Putin's regime." It is important to understand that in many countries, people and governments are not the same, and the vast majority of the population hate their government but are afraid (and for a good reason) to do anything about it.
Uh huh. Just like the Americans right? And Trump's regime?
 

Butler1000

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The difference between democracy (and yes, the USA is a democracy) and a totalitarian state is that, in a democracy, the government is supported by a significant part of the population and actually cares about being elected and has a chance to lose if the vast majority does not support it. So, you can say that USA attacks Iran, but you cannot say that Palestine attacks Israel or Russia attacks Ukraine. And no, you cannot say that Israel attacks Palestine, it attacks Hamas. The same distinction applies to the "USA Government" vs. "Iran regime". You cannot equate democratic and totalitarian countries.
You need to go back and listen to Carney's speech at Davos. He pretty much sums up that lie and many others for what they are.
 
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Klatuu

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Nope, and I do not think anyone ever said "Palestinian terrorists killed hostages", it is "Hamas terrorists kill hostages." Unfortunately, when terrorists hide among the civilian population, that population becomes collateral damage. And when that population does very little to help fight those terrorists and even supports them (in a non-military way), then it becomes harder to shed a tear over that collateral damage
Every accusation by a Zio is a confession
 

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Arabs Rant Against Trump As US Leaves Them Exposed, Uses Air Defences Only To Save Israel From Iran

 

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I think US Sec State Rubio for all intents and purposes admitted yesterday that Israel pushed Trump into doing this.
 

Frankfooter

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They will get chewed up and spit out. It will be like fighting a much larger force of better trained Taliban with its own artillery, and .50 sniper rifles instead of WW1 Lee Enfields. Plus Russian and Chinese support and intel. Also the Shia Jihadis will POUR IN to fight.
Netanyahu already made his american tv speech to order american boots on the ground in Iran.
He's busy with plans to take over Lebanon now.

 

Frankfooter

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The difference between democracy (and yes, the USA is a democracy) and a totalitarian state is that, in a democracy, the government is supported by a significant part of the population and actually cares about being elected and has a chance to lose if the vast majority does not support it. So, you can say that USA attacks Iran, but you cannot say that Palestine attacks Israel or Russia attacks Ukraine. And no, you cannot say that Israel attacks Palestine, it attacks Hamas. The same distinction applies to the "USA Government" vs. "Iran regime". You cannot equate democratic and totalitarian countries.
You should say Israel is occupying Palestine like Russia is occupying Ukraine. Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation.
Israel has no right to attack Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Iran, Yemen and others.

Israel is the terrorist state.

 

Frankfooter

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I think US Sec State Rubio for all intents and purposes admitted yesterday that Israel pushed Trump into doing this.
Rubio definitely said that Israel pushed america into war.
But that's just the start:

Epstein's ex made a speech at the UN on behalf of the pedophile war.


While the president of america made a tv appearance to tell them why he ordered the war.

 

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I don't think they will join. Iran can caused them existential harm and so far they have only hit US targets based in those nations.
They already joined, Qatar has been firing on Iranian jets and downed a few.

Qatar downs two Iranian fighter jets as conflict widens
Qatari Defence Ministry also says seven ballistic missiles and five drones fired by Iran were intercepted.

 

Frankfooter

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They better not send ground troops too early. I'd keep up with drones and a few more B2 bombers. Break them down from above. What do they got for defense? Not much.

Give it time and other nations will deal with Iran too especially if they keep attacking other middle east nations. Dubai won't put up with that nonsense at all.




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88% of Dubai are expats.
They are fleeing.


 
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Frankfooter

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They already joined, Qatar has been firing on Iranian jets and downed a few.

Qatar downs two Iranian fighter jets as conflict widens
Qatari Defence Ministry also says seven ballistic missiles and five drones fired by Iran were intercepted.

Was it like this?
Nobody really knows right now.

 
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