War with Iran

squeezer

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So you support the bombing in June but you also supported the JCPOA?



I never said I supported Trump tearing up the JCPOA. I did not.

That said, once he withdrew from the deal, attempting to degrade Iran’s nuclear capabilities became a different question. I don’t believe the world needs more nuclear-armed states, especially ones governed by hardline religious leadership. Preventing nuclear proliferation is a legitimate strategic objective.

Trump claimed he successfully crippled Iran’s nuclear capacity and pushed back aggressively against reporters who questioned that claim. So the real issue is: did the strikes or policies actually achieve that objective, or didn’t they? That’s a factual question, not a partisan one.

The larger concern is process and alliances. If he had pursued a coordinated strategy through Congress and worked closely with traditional allies rather than relying almost exclusively on Israel, that would have strengthened the legitimacy and durability of the action. Acting without broader allied backing increases political and strategic risk. If events spiral out of control, accountability will ultimately fall on him.

That being said, in purely military terms, I do believe Israel and the U.S. military possess overwhelming conventional superiority over Iran. I believe they will dismantle much of Iran’s conventional military infrastructure in a short period of time, potentially within a couple of weeks. The harder question isn’t whether they could win the opening phase, but what comes after: regional escalation, asymmetric retaliation, proxy conflicts, cyber operations, global economic fallout, higher prices?? YAY, I can't wait for the midterms!!!!






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Good to know, not that Trump cares. Iran has only been conquered twice, once by the Macedonians, once by the Mongols. Does The King of Kings have the stomach to make it a third time?

 
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Preventing nuclear proliferation is a legitimate strategic objective.
The irony is that Iran, now more than ever, actually needs a nuke.
The 2 nuclear armed nations, attack the country that has been accused of being a week away from developing a nuke for the last 30 years.
did the strikes or policies actually achieve that objective, or didn’t they?
It is clear, that they didn't.
That being said, in purely military terms, I do believe Israel and the U.S. military possess overwhelming conventional superiority over Iran. I believe they will dismantle much of Iran’s conventional military infrastructure in a short period of time, potentially within a couple of weeks. The harder question isn’t whether they could win the opening phase, but what comes after: regional escalation, asymmetric retaliation, proxy conflicts, cyber operations, global economic fallout, higher prices?? YAY, I can't wait for the midterms!!!! .
I think there are aspects of conventional strength that they may be able to dismantle.
Airforce (which was practically useless anyway), their navy to an extent, and missiles which may be exhausted in a few weeks anyway.
However, they will fail their stated goal of regime change.
They have already started TACOing out of that narrative and are now saying, it is about destroying their military strength.
The fact is you cannot effect regime change without an Iraq style invasion, and even then it can fail, as it did in Afghanistan.
That is not something they will commit to even if Hegseth today said that everything is on the table.
I think putting American lives at risk will come with huge consequences for the Repugs in the elections.
 
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The irony is that Iran, now more than ever, actually needs a nuke.
The 2 nuclear armed nations, attack the country that has been accused of being a week away from developing a nuke for the last 30 years.
I wouldn't be comfortable knowing Iran has a nuke. Especially when under the control of religious nutbags that will kill folks at the drop of a hat.

I do not like to even think about the possibility that North Korea may possess a nuke.

Heck, to be honest, I am nervous that Trump has the codes to the nukes.

However, they will fail their stated goal of regime change.


I agree with you on regime change. It's next to impossible without troops on the ground in a long, drawn-out process. This bullshit and nonsense of Trump asking the locals to take their country back is a joke, a suicide mission. He should mount up, get a rifle and march down with them to take the government over like he wanted to do in 2020.
 
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I wouldn't be comfortable knowing Iran has a nuke. Especially when under the control of religious nutbags that will kill folks at the drop of a hat.

I do not like to even think about the possibility that North Korea may possess a nuke.

Heck, to be honest, I am nervous that Trump has the codes to the nukes.
The countries with nukes currently, that are the most violent are USA, Russia and Israel.
NK is oppressive, and it does have nukes, but they keep to themselves.
China has nukes, but they are not violent either even if they try to assert themselves in their backyard.
India and Pakistan, have been at war, but don't think their wars have lasted beyond a week.
So I believe our threat response is due to psychological manipulation via repeated rhetoric.
We are led to believe that these hardline religious nations, are going to just start launching nukes at everyone, even while the countries that preach peace, engage in illegal wars, invasions and genocide.
 

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The countries with nukes currently, that are the most violent are USA, Russia and Israel.
NK is oppressive, and it does have nukes, but they keep to themselves.
China has nukes, but they are not violent either even if they try to assert themselves in their backyard.
India and Pakistan, have been at war, but don't think their wars have lasted beyond a week.
So I believe our threat response is due to psychological manipulation via repeated rhetoric.
We are led to believe that these hardline religious nations, are going to just start launching nukes at everyone, even while the countries that preach peace, engage in illegal wars, invasions and genocide.


I agree with you about Russia. Along with the United States, they were among the original nuclear powers, so in a sense, that reality is what it is. I also share your lack of confidence in the current U.S. administration when it comes to these matters—something I’ve felt about past Republican administrations as well, which often seem too quick to resort to war.

However, I disagree regarding Israel using a nuclear weapon. While I believe they possess nuclear capability, I don’t believe they would actually use it.

I also agree that China appears to act relatively responsibly when it comes to the use or threat of nuclear weapons.

Ultimately, I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to prevent any additional countries from acquiring nuclear weapons.

On a lighter note, here is a pic of refugees leaving Dubai, lmfao.
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I have a couple of free bedrooms and a gorgeous basement to house most of them. Please send them my contact!

USA, China and Russia never used nukes. Russia came close twice IIRC but it would have been over the assumption US fired already. Luckily they checked things before jumping the gun. Only 9 countries have nukes. No middle east nation needs nukes...these nations seem unstable in general and who's to say terrorist groups like those who caused 9/11 wouldn't take over and go on a rampage launching them. All the other nations who have nukes are in strict control. Personally I don't think Israel needs them either. I think worse case if America or Russia was at war with another nation and something like Pearl Harbour happened they have the choice to use a stronger non-nuclear attack first like even an atomic bomb again before even considering a nuke.
Um, isn't an atomic bomb pretty much the same as using a nuclear bomb??? YES, the US dropped an atomic/Nuclear bomb and is the only nation to do so.
 

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I wouldn't be comfortable knowing Iran has a nuke. Especially when under the control of religious nutbags that will kill folks at the drop of a hat.

I do not like to even think about the possibility that North Korea may possess a nuke.

Heck, to be honest, I am nervous that Trump has the codes to the nukes.
I think its more dangerous that a country committing genocide owns and threatens to use nukes.
Netanyahu is out to destroy the 'amalek', or all the Goyim.


 
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