War with Iran

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Tough call. As you said they are old planes.
They are not old planes.
The ones shot down were F15E-Strike Eagles.
They are middle aged airframes manufactured in the 90s.
But the tech, is all new.
They use AESA radars, the Eagle survivability system, the mission computer along with networking abilities are all state of the art.
 
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Butler1000

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They are not old planes.
The ones shot down were F15E-Strike Eagles.
They are middle aged airframes manufactured in the 90s.
But the tech, is all new.
They use AESA radars, the Eagle survivability system, the mission computer along with networking abilities are all state of the art.
All the more reason then to assume friendly fire. Unless the Iranians have something else but if they did I assume they would have shot more down over Iranian air space.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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All the more reason then to assume friendly fire. Unless the Iranians have something else but if they did I assume they would have shot more down over Iranian air space.
Yeah, it is definitely friendly fire.
The distance between Iran and Kuwait is over 1000km.
Even the US does not operate a SAM that has that range, not to mention, all the Iranian radars were neutralized in a SEAD operation, before the attack on Saturday.
I am thinking it was a battery of the Patriots Kuwait has that brought the planes down.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Tough call. As you said they are old planes. And Kuwait training may not be the best on their anti rocket fire. They are basically firing at blips on a screen.

As well the ballistic missiles are surface to surface from what I understand. So your idea of 3 hits on moving planes from long range s to s rockets is far less likely imo
I ran it through google AI and this is what it came up with:

Q. What are Iran's anti-aircraft capabilities for shooting down a US F-15?



Primary Threats to the F-15
  • Bavar-373 (Long-Range): Iran's premier indigenous system, often compared to the Russian S-300 or S-400. It uses the Sayyad-4B missile, which reportedly has an engagement range of 300 km and can track targets from 450 km away.
  • S-300PMU-2 (Long-Range): Acquired from Russia, this system can engage aircraft up to 200 km away. It is primarily stationed to protect critical infrastructure, such as nuclear sites.
  • Khordad-15 (Medium-Range): This mobile system is optimized for quick deployment (under 5 minutes) and can detect conventional aircraft from 150 km. It uses the Sayyad-3 missile to engage up to six targets simultaneously at ranges up to 120 km.
  • 3rd Khordad: Famous for shooting down a U.S. Global Hawk drone in 2019, this highly mobile system has a range of approximately 75–105 km

  • Strategic Limitations
    • Electronic Warfare (EW) Vulnerability: The U.S. maintains significant electronic jamming superiority that can "blind" or spoof Iranian radar networks, particularly older systems like the Mersad (Hawk).
    • Integration Gaps: Experts note a "sensor-to-shooter" gap where Iran's older Cold War-era hardware struggles to communicate seamlessly with newer digital systems, potentially slowing reaction times.
    • Saturation Attacks: While capable of hitting individual targets, Iran's network could be overwhelmed by a massive volley of decoys and cruise missiles designed to deplete interceptor stocks.
 

squeezer

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Ukraine happened under bidens watch. Oct 7 happened under Biden...
The difference is, BIDEN didn't tell Putin to go in or attack anyone like Trump, your cult leader, who promised you no new wars is doing.

If you can't see the difference, you've been into Phil's 2 case stash already.
 

squeezer

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How are Israelis feeling?
Are you going to compare the damage caused by Israel vs Iran? Dude, come on, man!

One is an elite fighting machine the other is just trying to hang on.

At least be honest with yourself. I'm not a BIBI fan and you know I can't stand the walking orange mushroom but just remove yourself from your hatred of Israel and look at it objectively, regardless of who you are cheering for.
 
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