2025-2026 Leafs Season
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OEL is worth way more than that. Not a 4th round.....no way
You can't build a glorious future with those picks.
I don't see the point of trading OEL for a 4th.
If that's the only offer then just keep him.
2 more years for cheap and it's a retool so they're going to try to make the playoffs next year.
Or they can still trade him next season.
I think you're just trying to sooth yourself with these predictions.
The best comparable to McMann is Kiefer Sherwood.
17 goals 6 assists this season. 6' 194 lbs. Age 30.
He's also final year of his 2 year contract but he's at 1.5 mill cap hit.
He was traded for two second round picks and a player last month.
If Treliving trades him for a 4th then he's not the man for the retool let alone a rebuild.
For a 4th they're better off getting Laughton signed.
That's a useless pick and considering what they paid for him.
Consider trading him next year if required.
Domi doesn't matter what they get for him losing him is a win.
Matthews and Nylander are full rebuild. They aren't doing a full rebuild.
Full rebuild will be in 2028 when Matthew's contract ends and players like Tanev, Tavares, OEL age out.
Looks like Leafs are tanking to secure a bottom 10 ranking in case they win the lottery.
Now that's a pick they could use.
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Tavares now leads the Leafs for worst at -20. Imagine if the Leafs were paying him for last season's results.
Rielly is -19 and Domi -18. Knies is 4th -15 follwed by Macelli at -14 then a huge gap to get to Jarnkrok -8.
Tavares and Knies, with Maccelli was the Leafs 2nd line during Nylander's injury absence. That line was terrible.
Rielly is -19 and Domi -18. Knies is 4th -15 follwed by Macelli at -14 then a huge gap to get to Jarnkrok -8.
Tavares and Knies, with Maccelli was the Leafs 2nd line during Nylander's injury absence. That line was terrible.
Maccelli stinks. Before he signed with the Leafs he had 6 hits in 65 games with Utah. Just a bizarre signing by Treliving. The DNA of this team was supposed to change. But they just filled jerseys with warm bodies. No faith in Berube either. They both gotta go
The whole league has lapped the Leafs with good drafting and patience. First round picks for Laughton & Carlo plus prospects has dismally failed. Buffalo and Montreal, Detroit are now years ahead in talent. The Leafs are a tire fire right now. They need to move 1 of their goalies now.
The whole league has lapped the Leafs with good drafting and patience. First round picks for Laughton & Carlo plus prospects has dismally failed. Buffalo and Montreal, Detroit are now years ahead in talent. The Leafs are a tire fire right now. They need to move 1 of their goalies now.
Leafs gave up a 3rd round pick for Maccelli.
Considering some think Leafs will get no better than a 4th round pick for any of their players in this trade deadline that is a lofty price to pay for a Maccelli.
Hildabeast is not waiver exempt next season so they should be trading a goalie.
Considering some think Leafs will get no better than a 4th round pick for any of their players in this trade deadline that is a lofty price to pay for a Maccelli.
Hildabeast is not waiver exempt next season so they should be trading a goalie.
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You will get more value than that for McMann, Laughton, and OEL. Likely not firsts for the UFA's, but there would certainly be seconds involved. I could in theory see OEL get a late first, if you retain a bit / or take back a bad contract like a Mangiapane (this has been rumoured)
Domi will be hard to shed because of his contract.
The lesson that should be learned re Laughton and Carlo.
It's not terrible trading a late first for those type of guys (often times not good either).... but that pick has to be in the upcoming draft so you know its 20+. You have to be really careful trading first round picks in future years for more marginal players.
Also given the way the Leafs spent their money this offseason, the 1.5M in capspace created by the 50% retention on Laughton didn't really help them.
Edmonton is going for it this year and next. McDavid didn't take a huge discount not to.
Imagine their team with McMann, OEL, Roy, and perhaps Stolarz.
Edmonton just waived two players to free up cap space.
That's a guarantee they're buying and Edmonton has an affinity for ex-Leaf players.
Imagine their team with McMann, OEL, Roy, and perhaps Stolarz.
Edmonton just waived two players to free up cap space.
That's a guarantee they're buying and Edmonton has an affinity for ex-Leaf players.
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Waiving only clears about $900K of cap space for a player.
Leafs will need to take Mangiapane back (a problem for 26/27), and retain contracts possibly into 26/27, if they are moving multiple players to Edmonton.
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O.k. perhaps I was being overzealous but if they want to win they need at a minimum 2 of the 3 and forget about Stolarz.
Max retention is a given and ideally a young player with potential rather than Mangianpane. They need to recoup their lost Minton. McMann is 1.35, Roy is 3, and OEL is 3.5 so we're talking a smidge over 2 mill for 2 players at 50% retained. Taking Mangiapane should increase the return Leafs get back. Both Roy and OEL have cup rings.
Taking back Mangiapane will help the return. And being willing to retain on a guy with a contract beyond this year will help too. Will hurt the Leafs in 26/27 but I think asset accumulation is the most important thing, even if you can't get that HR draft asset until later.
We chatted a bit about this the other day... we disagree a bit on the Leafs ability to re-tool next year. I just don't see it as viable - you had mentioned Tanev coming back but he's 37.
The key to me is maximizing return on all of your players (or viewing them in that way). Doesn't mean they trade their non free agents immediately -- but whenever they feel a player is at that max offer level, they should move them. So it could be now, could be next year.
Say they finish 5th last next year instead of 12th, because they focused on asset accumulation in 26/27. I suppose its more embarrassing to lose pick #5 instead of pick #12, but in the end its still a sunk cost, you were not getting the pick anyway. So taking back Mangiapane, or using cap space to take on bad contracts (like Montreal did with Monahan some years back) should be something they consider.
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It's not a full rebuild because I don't think Leafs see this as the end. It's near the end but not the end. Florida Panthers defending cup champs 63 pts in 60 games. What happened to them? Should they do a rebuild? Toronto Maple Leafs 63 pts in 60 games. Exact same point total in the exact same number of games. Both teams -15 goal differential. Both teams 3-7-0 in their respective last 10 games. Leafs see themselves as a Boston. Boston had injuries that year they missed the playoffs.
Right here right now is not the time for a full rebuild. I've already explained why. However, they need a better GM and a better coach. Next year is the time to assess. They've had moments this season where they were very good. They've never had injuries like this. Same for Florida. When Florida made the Finals as the 16th seed it was due to injuries in the regular season. They made the playoffs because Pittsburgh lost their last 2 games. Florida was healthy for the playoffs and they beat Boston who had injuries to Bergeron and Krejci so injuries matter. The year prior Florida won the President's Trophy.
They knew how old Tanev was when they signed him. They didn't sign him for 6 years expecting only to get 2 good years from him. I'd say they expected to get 4. Timing it with Matthews end of contract. His game is not about speed. It's about reads, positioning, timing, and execution. Making the right plays and he has tremendous chemistry with McCabe. Tanev is +8 this season in the 11 games he played.
As for Mangiapane it depends on the return. Similar to Carlo and Laughton they were terrible trades because Leafs gave up too much. Leafs gave up a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau which turned into Seth Jarvis. It's up to Treliving to get the job done and not screw this up.
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The Leafs have players under contract that garner a lot of interests, OEL and Benoit so I’ve read; but these are the players they‘ll need to help getting them into the playoffs next year. It’d be a mistake to trade OEL for anything less than a first, or Benoit for a mid round pick because 1) they have decent contracts and 2) the Leafs don’t have any players of equal usefulness in the minors to replace them. Next season they may have to give up more than than what they can get now to replace them. A second round pick will not help the Leafs’ playoff push for at least 3 or more years.
With ufas (McMann and Laughton) its a no brainer because if they don’t resign them before the deadline, odds are against the Leafs to resign them in the off season. The players they should trade, Rielly, Macelli and Domi will not yield much in return.
‘’In conclusion, I don’t see much chance of improvement resulting from the deadline trades for next season because they’ll lose more immediate talent than what they can get back. Maybe a healthy Tanev if he can maintain the same level of performance but that’s a lot to ask for a 37 year old with injury history; maybe better goaltending , better coaching or a new gm are the only hopes that will improve their playoff chances.
With ufas (McMann and Laughton) its a no brainer because if they don’t resign them before the deadline, odds are against the Leafs to resign them in the off season. The players they should trade, Rielly, Macelli and Domi will not yield much in return.
‘’In conclusion, I don’t see much chance of improvement resulting from the deadline trades for next season because they’ll lose more immediate talent than what they can get back. Maybe a healthy Tanev if he can maintain the same level of performance but that’s a lot to ask for a 37 year old with injury history; maybe better goaltending , better coaching or a new gm are the only hopes that will improve their playoff chances.
The DNA of this team needed to change last summer. Instead it got worse when Treliving traded for a cupcake like Micelli and failed to move on from Domi.
Losing Marner allowed for an opportunity to get tougher and bring in a physical player. This failed to happen. Joshua showed signs of a physical player, but never really panned out.
Losing Marner allowed for an opportunity to get tougher and bring in a physical player. This failed to happen. Joshua showed signs of a physical player, but never really panned out.
Treliving had tunnel vision. He had his eyes dead set on Marchand. He had no plan B.
Joshua and Maccelli was just the scramble after Marchand signed with Florida.
So, Vegas has 70 pts in 60 games and leads the Pacific Division.
Boston holds the 8th seed in the East and has 71 pts in 59 games.
As for Tanev, certainly he could be this or he could be that.
That's why you assess. See what you have in him when he does get back.
The Leafs know more than we do on his health and prognosis.
If he's done and Rielly is still on the team then certainly it's all over.
You have to think Leafs have a plan for when these players age out ... or perhaps not.
That's for the next GM to figure out and fix the mess left by the Shanaplan.
Joshua and Maccelli was just the scramble after Marchand signed with Florida.
So, Vegas has 70 pts in 60 games and leads the Pacific Division.
Boston holds the 8th seed in the East and has 71 pts in 59 games.
As for Tanev, certainly he could be this or he could be that.
That's why you assess. See what you have in him when he does get back.
The Leafs know more than we do on his health and prognosis.
If he's done and Rielly is still on the team then certainly it's all over.
You have to think Leafs have a plan for when these players age out ... or perhaps not.
That's for the next GM to figure out and fix the mess left by the Shanaplan.
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