Yes, I arrived on TERB as a young, recently single, new to the city, guy who was trying to get his drunken strip club wanderings organized. (At a time when there were many clubs.)
Tired of rising prices.....Ladies how about shorter duration???
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Not wanting to turn this thread into an Economics debate, I definitely get what you are saying but can this continue forever?!?!? Answer is usually no, and experience shows that any "resolution" usually involves some kind of un-pleasantness, and sometimes a LOT of it, so as I said I very much hope we can avoid that.
Usually inflation is cured by higher interest rates and a recession like the late 70s and very early 80s.
But this time I think we might all be fucked. Hopefully I am wrong.
Governments are highly indebted and continuing to run deficits, and if they raise interest rates, they have to eventually pay that higher interest. And individuals are highly indebted, especially if they are young and bought real estate or got an education recently (at least in the U.S.). So there is incentive by the government to inflate away the debt, instead of trying to cure inflation.
And it goes a bit further than that. A relatively modest percentage of people in the western world are enjoying the finer things in life. The economy is largely driven the top 25 percent of income and wealth holders. They are making all of the money and enjoying all of the finer things in life, including desirable real estate, tasty food, and good sex.
I think that is one of the reasons we are seeing price increases among sex workers in the western world. They are marketing to the upper class. And you can’t blame them. When you read the reviews of many LeoList ladies in Canada, and of the low-end Skip The Games ladies in the U.S., it is stunning how trashy the lower-class has become. Anytime I have tried the lower-end scene in the U.S., I have said never again. I can hardly blame the sex workers for not wanting to cater to the lower-class guys if they are like the women. To top it all off, we now live in a world where the exploitive media encourages class resentment, so the lower-class poor chick is probably fantasizing about biting your dick off while she is doing the $50 blow job.
So I think we just accept inflation and keep running harder on the treadmill to try and stay in the top 25 percent, or at least save up and enjoy periods of time where we can rub shoulders with those even in the top 10 percent. The good news about top sex workers is that anyone who lays down the money for the time block purchased gets thec same treatment.
But as far as anything of great value existing in low-cost substitutes, I don’t think it exists whether you are talking about living conditions, food, or sex. The only answer to an enjoyable life at present, and especially in the future, is to have enough money to buy high-priced goods and services. And that means a lot of work for most people, with all of the associated sacrifices.
A lot of people would say that is stupid. But there are endless societies and countries where wealth and desirable things are held by a relatively low percentage of people. The masses survive, but they don’t get a lot of enjoyments.
Just my opinion. Hopefully it is wrong.
Well this is exactly what I was suggesting: can this "spiral" just continue and continue?!?!? French Revolution / Communist Revolution / Fascism and the Second War / whole bunch of events in "antiquity" / and the list goes on of course. To me there has to be a correction, how can there not be! Three questions are: how long would it take to get there (might be a long time), how much BS between now and then (might be a lot), and once over how long does the new "balance" last (might not be that long)! I also very much hope I am wrong
This is so educational. Dude comes asking for a quickie, and we get an economic history lesson. Pricing Strategies for Hos in an Inflationary Environment.
Dont mind me, I'm enjoying the readings. Fiat currency is bullshit. Please continue ...That was very good - sure shutting up now
Many people who have experienced strong economic times often believe that good times will return soon. They assume that any drop in income is temporary. The effects of the Great Recession lasted much longer than the official timeline. The government stated that the recession lasted from December 2007 to June 2009. Governments often announce an official end to a recession to help restore confidence and encourage investment. In reality, some parts of the economy took 5 to 17 years to fully recover to pre-2007 levels. Employment is one example. Job levels did not return to 2007 levels until around 2017. In addition, people who stopped looking for work were no longer counted as unemployed, which made the unemployment rate appear lower than it otherwise would have been. Housing was heavily affected. Home prices fell by about 30% and did not return to their previous highs until around 2017–2018. During that period, home construction remained very low. After the global pandemic and ongoing trade tensions including tariffs introduced Trump, Economic uncertainty has increased. We may be closer to a recession than at any point in the past decade. If the economy goes into recession then events may play out as the last one did, we may be in for a slow economic recovery that will take 10-15 years.
When people start cutting back on small, everyday treats like a cup of coffee at McDonald's or Tim Hortons. It usually means household budgets are under pressure. When that happens, spending on more expensive luxuries will be diminished or eliminated. SPs that take a proactive approach by strengthening relationships with existing customers and actively seeking new ones are generally in a stronger position than those that simply wait for economic conditions to improve. These SPs may find themselves with excess inventory that they have no use for, nor any clients that may want to purchase these wares.
When people start cutting back on small, everyday treats like a cup of coffee at McDonald's or Tim Hortons. It usually means household budgets are under pressure. When that happens, spending on more expensive luxuries will be diminished or eliminated. SPs that take a proactive approach by strengthening relationships with existing customers and actively seeking new ones are generally in a stronger position than those that simply wait for economic conditions to improve. These SPs may find themselves with excess inventory that they have no use for, nor any clients that may want to purchase these wares.
If you vote for the Liberals or NDP stop voting for these parties. They are the reason why just about everything is so unaffordable.
There was a famous beginning to an old book about a big economic and political event that said It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
It is kind of like that now, in my opinion. A lot of guys here make a lot more money and have a lot more wealth than they did a few years ago. Skilled work is in high demand and some industries, especially finance and personal service occupations, are doing quite well.
There are plenty of people obviously seeing the expensive (based on price comparisons versus a decade ago), they have plenty of excellent reviews, and they wouldn’t charge those rates if they weren’t getting them. And technology has allowed sex work to be done quite easily as part-time work to supplement what might already be a solid income. One of the last escorts I saw in Toronto told me about her “day job” and it was a fine occupation.
And we often see the “Movin‘ On Up” effect in this business, as the theme song put it in the old TV show The Jefferson’s. I saw a lady in her early 20s not long ago in Texas. One of the best escorts I have ever seen, and I am hoping to repeat often. She is now on the higher-end of U.S. pricing and is still in high demand. But she didn’t start out that way. She started advertising on a site rather unique to Texas and got a lot of reviews on a site that tries to market itself to the middle-income in the U.S. Guys were blown away since there are very few 18-21 year old quality providers in the U.S. Once she quickly raised her rates to the upper-end of U.S. pricing and started advertising on Tryst and started getting TER reviews, the guys on the middle-class message board started blasting away. Some of them attacked her, but the more civil ones said the price increase because of the high-tech companies moving from California to Texas and these goddamn Tech guys accustomed to higher prices stole her and ruined things.
I didn’t ask her about the discussions. She might not even know they are there. She just runs her little business in a rational way and goes about her life. She does it extraordinarily well, especially for someone so young who has to navigate U.S. screening, and to me she is well worth what she charges.
Sorry if too long of a post, but this business is unique. A lot of factors go into higher prices, but all of those factors are going in the direction of higher, not lower, pricing. Supply is down due to a lot of reasons. Society has attacked this business relentlessly and younger women get influenced by that. Every sex-work market in the world, with the possible exception of Colombia, has fewer 18-25 year olds in it than a decade ago. Many younger ladies just starting out work for lower prices to establish themselves. Governments put up more barriers to entry than ever before. Canada isn’t as bad as the U.S., obviously (and thank god), but c-36 wasn’t good for the lower-end of the industry, particularly high-turnover, high-volume commercial sex at places like back rooms at strip joints. The input costs faced by most sex workers has gone up more than typical inflation, especially incall rent. And advertising costs have gone up, in no small part to the U.S. Fosta/Sesta law that attacked online advertising, and like it or not, most Tech roads run through the U.S.
Sex work prices are up everywhere in the world and they are getting their rates, so that means customers have to come to the table with more money. Nobody is going to do a bail-out package for Johns. And the industry doesn’t function like a commodity market, it functions like a personal service market. So most traditional excess inventory principles just never seem to apply to it.
It is kind of like that now, in my opinion. A lot of guys here make a lot more money and have a lot more wealth than they did a few years ago. Skilled work is in high demand and some industries, especially finance and personal service occupations, are doing quite well.
There are plenty of people obviously seeing the expensive (based on price comparisons versus a decade ago), they have plenty of excellent reviews, and they wouldn’t charge those rates if they weren’t getting them. And technology has allowed sex work to be done quite easily as part-time work to supplement what might already be a solid income. One of the last escorts I saw in Toronto told me about her “day job” and it was a fine occupation.
And we often see the “Movin‘ On Up” effect in this business, as the theme song put it in the old TV show The Jefferson’s. I saw a lady in her early 20s not long ago in Texas. One of the best escorts I have ever seen, and I am hoping to repeat often. She is now on the higher-end of U.S. pricing and is still in high demand. But she didn’t start out that way. She started advertising on a site rather unique to Texas and got a lot of reviews on a site that tries to market itself to the middle-income in the U.S. Guys were blown away since there are very few 18-21 year old quality providers in the U.S. Once she quickly raised her rates to the upper-end of U.S. pricing and started advertising on Tryst and started getting TER reviews, the guys on the middle-class message board started blasting away. Some of them attacked her, but the more civil ones said the price increase because of the high-tech companies moving from California to Texas and these goddamn Tech guys accustomed to higher prices stole her and ruined things.
I didn’t ask her about the discussions. She might not even know they are there. She just runs her little business in a rational way and goes about her life. She does it extraordinarily well, especially for someone so young who has to navigate U.S. screening, and to me she is well worth what she charges.
Sorry if too long of a post, but this business is unique. A lot of factors go into higher prices, but all of those factors are going in the direction of higher, not lower, pricing. Supply is down due to a lot of reasons. Society has attacked this business relentlessly and younger women get influenced by that. Every sex-work market in the world, with the possible exception of Colombia, has fewer 18-25 year olds in it than a decade ago. Many younger ladies just starting out work for lower prices to establish themselves. Governments put up more barriers to entry than ever before. Canada isn’t as bad as the U.S., obviously (and thank god), but c-36 wasn’t good for the lower-end of the industry, particularly high-turnover, high-volume commercial sex at places like back rooms at strip joints. The input costs faced by most sex workers has gone up more than typical inflation, especially incall rent. And advertising costs have gone up, in no small part to the U.S. Fosta/Sesta law that attacked online advertising, and like it or not, most Tech roads run through the U.S.
Sex work prices are up everywhere in the world and they are getting their rates, so that means customers have to come to the table with more money. Nobody is going to do a bail-out package for Johns. And the industry doesn’t function like a commodity market, it functions like a personal service market. So most traditional excess inventory principles just never seem to apply to it.
Actually, this price-wage-price-wage-... is one of the main contributors to inflation. The second one is government spending (through the higher personal income of people who got employed by the government) and direct handouts or lower taxes (especially to low-income people who immediately spend it). Of course, the interest rate is the king as it affects the investment and spending. The amount of money in circulation is not really a factor (even in early days when it was mostly paper money) since velocity (how many hands the money changes during a year) will simply go up to adjust for higher money demand
I have a theory of why there are less young women getting in the biz. In the last 9 year's the minimum wage has gone from $11.60/hr. to $17.60/hr. A 51.72% increase, a warehouse manager would not see such an % increase. The pandemic also stifled the biz and many massage place closed up. less opportunity for the university tootsie to make a few quick bucks to go on spring break.
Jenesis,
Time-of-use or off-peak pricing is a smart business strategy during slow economic times because it helps business bring in more customers without cutting prices across the board. When the economy slows, fewer people spend money, and businesses often have empty seats, unused staff time, or extra inventory. By lowering prices during slower hours, companies can attract price-sensitive customers while still charging regular prices during busy times. This helps increase sales, make better use of resources, and keep cash flowing. Instead of lowering all prices and hurting profits, businesses use timing to stay competitive and protect their bottom line.
Compare a situation where an SP does nothing and another that has special pricing. Not only will the pro active SP see more regular clients, she may be getting new clients as well. Possibly your clients. Imagine how much of a difference it would make if the Time-of-use or off-peak pricing brings in 3-5 additional clients a week. The future of the economy is uncertain and with a crazy man as president south of the border that just killed the Iran's leader the world may be headed for a new war in the middle east or even possible terrorist attacks. Imagine a scenario where you client visits are cut in half. We are not comparing Coke to Pepsi or McDonald's to Burger King. You will probably agree that the SP biz is quite different. The clients does not know the level of quality experience he will get until he experiences it himself. You as an SP have no idea of the level of quality experience you offer as compared to other SPs. If a client tries another SP that is equal or better than with you and now is offered the possibility of lower prices you may be stuck listening to dead air while the other SP is making $$$.
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If the Canadian government had a desire to reduce sex work prices (which it of course doesn’t) the most efficient way to do so would be a Ukrainian “was widows” program. A preference would be given for long-term residency for Ukrainian women in the 18-35 year-old range with the only subsidy being generous rent vouchers. You would see an abundance of lower-cost incall offering from beautiful Ukrainians. It will never happen, but that would reduce prices.
Could you explain why you believe we’d lower our rates upon receiving said package?
