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I was about to post this in the thread New Screen Crush: Isabel May that Insidious Von put up, but then I figured the topic was worth it’s own thread.

In that thread about Isabel May, Insidious Von wrote:

"Michael Shannon and David Corenswet are both tall men at 6'4". In the upcoming Mr. Irrelevant they could not cast Calee Spaeney (5'2'), talented though she is, it would look odd.”

So Isabel May, who is 5’9”, was cast instead.

Nothing against Isabel May — she’s pretty. But this idea that you can’t cast an actress who’s 5’2” because “it would look odd” is just buying into nonsense Hollywood bullshit. The media has a bias against petite women and it’s fucked up. Real heterosexual men like petite women. That doesn’t mean that we can’t also like medium-size and tall women, but if an actress is 5’2”, she’s not going to get lead-roles, she’ll get best-friend-roles. I’m not saying every leading lady has to be 5’2”, but can there be at least a few of them? Why does every female lead have to be 5’9” or taller? What’s Hollywood and the fashion industry (with their super-tall models) up to here?
 
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shadeau said:
I was about to post this in the thread New Screen Crush: Isabel May that Insidious Von put up, but then I figured the topic was worth it’s own thread.

In that thread about Isabel May, Insidious Von wrote:

"Michael Shannon and David Corenswet are both tall men at 6'4". In the upcoming Mr. Irrelevant they could not cast Calee Spaeney (5'2'), talented though she is, it would look odd.”

So Isabel May, who is 5’9”, was cast instead.

Nothing against Isabel May — she’s pretty. But this idea that you can’t cast an actress who’s 5’2” because “it would look odd” is just buying into nonsense Hollywood bullshit. The media has a bias against petite women and it’s fucked up. Real heterosexual men like petite women. That doesn’t mean that we can’t also like medium-size and tall women, but if an actress is 5’2”, she’s not going to get lead-roles, she’ll get best-friend-roles. I’m not saying every leading lady has to be 5’2”, but can there be at least a few of them? Why does every female lead have to be 5’9” or taller? What’s Hollywood and the fashion industry (with their super-tall models) up to here?
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Um....

Jenna Ortega, Ariana Grande, Winona Ryder, Emma Stone, Natalie Portman, and thousands of others.

Natalie was cast against Chris Helmsworth to make him look bigger.

It's just a wrong premise.
 
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I think that a solid reason would be that market research has shown that tall models improve sales.
 
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Josephine said:
Because most fashion designers are gay and they like to see their clothes on women almost shaped like men.
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Wow you just answered my question that was in my head for over 10 years. True and simple.
 
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Josephine said:
Because most fashion designers are gay and they like to see their clothes on women almost shaped like men.
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But what if the preferences of those (gay) fashion designers don't align with those of the general public and they didn't sell well. Would they keep pushing them out or would they come out with something different that would sell better. It matters not whether these designers have been correct or not so far, the question is what would happen if they didn't sell?

IMO, it's all about the Benjamins more than any other factor.
 
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But what if the preferences of those (gay) fashion designers don't align with those of the general public and they didn't sell well. Would they keep pushing them out or would they come out with something different that would sell better. It matters not whether these designers have been correct or not so far, the question is what would happen if they didn't sell?

IMO, it's all about the Benjamins more than any other factor.
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The wheel is the other way around. When you were born you had no preference when it comes to women. The beauty standards established.by the fashion industry gave you those preferences. They tell you what is beautiful or not. What they like you like. Most fashion designers that actually like women will design for curve and highlight them. Thats the difference between Zac Posen and Jean Paul Gaultier. I think today you can see in fashion marketing that one size doesnt fit all and there is a change in that direction.
 
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Josephine said:
The beauty standards established.by the fashion industry gave you those preferences. They tell you what is beautiful or not. Wjst they like you like. Most fashion designers that actually like women will design for curve and highlight them.
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This is where we may disagree. IMO it is the public that establishes the preference in fashion. The designers make suggestions. It's whether the public agrees with them or not that decides what is accepted.

Once again, I pose the question, if the public does not like and does not buy up what the designers are offering will the manufacturers produce what the designers suggest or what the public wants? They are going to lose money if they pick wrong. I'm interested in hearing your opinion.
 
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This is where we may disagree. IMO it is the public that establishes the preference in fashion. The designers make suggestions. It's whether the public agrees with them or not that decides what is accepted.

Once again, I pose the question, if the public does not like and does not buy up what the designers are offering will the manufacturers produce what the designers suggest or what the public wants? They are going to lose money if they pick wrong. I'm interested in hearing your opinion.
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But house of designers dont make money. Or barely unless they make pret a porter and even then thats for everyone under a size 8. They dictates the trends by the influence of their name. So what you see right now is a bunch of women on ozempic because low rise jeans and crop tops are back. We dont decide. We are imposed. Nobody cares if we like it or not because that's all you will find everywhere.
 
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Josephine said:
But house of designers dont make money. Or barely unless they make pret a porter and even then thats for everyone under a size 8. They dictates the trends by the influence of their name. So what you see right now is a bunch of women on ozempic because low rise jeans and crop tops are back. We dont decide. We are imposed. Nobody cares if we like it or not because that's all you will find everywhere.
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The relevant stat is if the manufacturers are making money, not the design houses.. They're the ones who are spending on materials, labour, distribution etc. They decide what is put on the racks.

For some reason, you did not answer my simple question. If the public rejects the offerings of the designer, will the manufacturers continue to produce the designers preferences or will they want to produce what the public desires?

We both know what the reality is. It would be nice to see you acknowledge that reality instead of dancing around it. Who would the manufacturers cater to? The designers or the buying public.
 
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For some reason, you did not answer my simple question. If the public rejects the offerings of the designer, will the manufacturers continue to produce the designers preferences or will they want to produce what the public desires?
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I think you dont understand my simple answer. It doesn’t matter what we desires. This is the rack. This is what haley beiber wear this is what the young girl is influenced to buy.
 
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Josephine said:
I think you dont understand my simple answer. It doesn’t matter what we desires.
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"Simple" is probably the perfect word to describe your comprehension of how a free market capitalist society works.

You are trying to say that a business does not care if they make a profit or a loss. LOL. Think about it.
 
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"Simple" is probably the perfect word to describe your comprehension of how a free market capitalist society works.

You are trying to say that a business does not care if they make a profit or a loss. LOL. Think about it.
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Thats not what I said but go LOL away. Fashion is different than a lot of market. Trends are determined 4 to 6 yrs in advance since a general production take about 2 yrs from the drawing to when it hits the rack. There are million of dollars in play only on the simple guess of what people will buy based on trend books and designer fashion shows. So buyers buy and then they market the product. They will use influencer, actress ect to convince you that you have to buy it but lets be honest it is rarely for the real women. Why do you think some years everyone gets a bbl and the next people are drugging themselves? Because we demand it? Why aren't women just stop buying clothes? We can't. We are imposed fashion and the beauty standards that comes with it and we have no choice. You think about it.
 
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This is where we may disagree. IMO it is the public that establishes the preference in fashion. The designers make suggestions. It's whether the public agrees with them or not that decides what is accepted.

Once again, I pose the question, if the public does not like and does not buy up what the designers are offering will the manufacturers produce what the designers suggest or what the public wants? They are going to lose money if they pick wrong. I'm interested in hearing your opinion.
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It actually isn't the public that decides. I know you want to think it is, but it isn't. The fashion industry needs there to be "fast fashion" as the ultimate in built in obsolescence. And the lemmings want the latest purely from a "i can afford this" and not do I like it. It's about status, wealth, and hubris.

The fashion houses create a mystic, involving the Paris and New York shows, the rich wear it to prove they are the top of the crop, and it steadily creeps down through various levels of stores.

There is no practicality involved here. And no collective grassroots rejection. It's herd mentality combined with one up man ship and pure shallowness. And that girls live to play dress up.

I remember when flip flops were suddenly in and girls were wearing them, climbing over 2 foot showbanks in February, to get on streetcar. Whole groups of them.

You can't place intelligence to fashion sense.
 
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