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Jordan's father was the one that did it, not Michael Jordan himself.
Elder Jordan, the one that was murdered in 1993.
Ya I initially misinterpreted the book being about Jordan. Still hard to wrap my head around how a guy like MJ who is clearly smart, media savvy and in tune with current times could think this was a good idea. innocent or not I still see it as wrong and if it was my kid I'd be furious.
 
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That's fair, we can't agree all the time. 😅👊
I genuinely think it was harmless and I can understand others not agreeing either.
Ya as I mentioned it had none of the hallmarks of being sexually predatory but was still in bad taste under the circumstances. If he had used an elbow or a knee to make the same gesture it would have seemed less suspicious. Maybe 30-40 years ago no one would give it a second thought but in the current climate where every one is guilty until proven innocent in terms of sexual misconduct I just think it was a bad idea. And again, I find it strange that the MSM totally ignored it. If it was anyone else it would have been front page.
 
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Th reality is we can never rely on the MSM for the truth about anything. 🤷‍♂️
Does anybody remember the Duke lacrosse team rape story?
CNN and the NY Times portrayed the lacrosse players as a bunch of entitled, KKK, white racists with confederate flag pillow cases!
The lacrosse team hired a Black stripper from the other side of the tracks for a team party ... and then 3 of them allegedly gang raped her!
It was front page news on the NY Times and the lead story on CNN for over a year!
The talking heads on NPR went on and on about white privilege and the KKK still in the deep South.
The story gained momentum by the day!
Face the Nation ... was all over it every Sunday morning!
60 Minutes was all over it, too!
The "rape victim" (Crystal Mangum) became a poster child (like the "sex slave" Virginia Giuffre)!
IT WAS ALL MADE UP!
 
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Does anybody remember the Duke lacrosse team rape story?
CNN and the NY Times portrayed the lacrosse players as a bunch of entitled, KKK, white racists with confederate flag pillow cases!
The lacrosse team hired a Black stripper from the other side of the tracks for a team party ... and then 3 of them allegedly gang raped her!
It was front page news on the NY Times and the lead story on CNN for over a year!
The talking heads on NPR went on and on about white privilege and the KKK still in the deep South.
The story gained momentum by the day!
Face the Nation ... was all over it every Sunday morning!
60 Minutes was all over it, too!
The "rape victim" (Crystal Mangum) became a poster child (like the "sex slave" Virginia Giuffre)!
IT WAS ALL MADE UP!
Never heard of that one but it reminds me of the recent local story involving hockey players. Despite being exonerated these kids lives will never be the same. The mere accusation is enough to destroy someone's reputation. There should be a price to pay for false accusations.
 

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Does anybody remember the Duke lacrosse team rape story?
CNN and the NY Times portrayed the lacrosse players as a bunch of entitled, KKK, white racists with confederate flag pillow cases!
The lacrosse team hired a Black stripper from the other side of the tracks for a team party ... and then 3 of them allegedly gang raped her!
It was front page news on the NY Times and the lead story on CNN for over a year!
The talking heads on NPR went on and on about white privilege and the KKK still in the deep South.
The story gained momentum by the day!
Face the Nation ... was all over it every Sunday morning!
60 Minutes was all over it, too!
The "rape victim" (Crystal Mangum) became a poster child (like the "sex slave" Virginia Giuffre)!
IT WAS ALL MADE UP!

And another one...
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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So the Epstein Island accusations are all a hoax?

The only guilty parties were Epstein and Maxwell; the rest, who were at the island, were ALL innocent bystanders
I got bad news for you, squeezie.
Trump did fly on Epstein's plane a bunch of times during the 1990's, but that was before Epstein bought his island in 1998.


Based on flight logs released in court proceedings and reported by various news outlets, Donald Trump did fly on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet multiple times in the 1990s,
before Epstein purchased his private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands in 1998.


Here are the key details based on the search results:
  • Timeline of Flights: Flight logs indicate Trump flew on1 Epstein's planes approximately seven to eight times between 1993 and 1997.
  • Island Purchase: Jeffrey Epstein purchased Little St. James (the island) in 1998.
  • No Evidence of Island Visit: While flight logs confirm Trump used the jet for travel—primarily between New York and Florida—there is no documented evidence or flight log showing that Trump ever flew to or visited Epstein's private island.
  • Nature of Flights: The flights in the 1990s sometimes included family members, and one recorded trip included only Trump, Epstein, and a 20-year-old woman.
 
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I got bad news for you, squeezie.
Trump did fly on Epstein's plane a bunch of times during the 1990's, but that was before Epstein bought his island in 1998.


Based on flight logs released in court proceedings and reported by various news outlets, Donald Trump did fly on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet multiple times in the 1990s,
before Epstein purchased his private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands in 1998.


Here are the key details based on the search results:
  • Timeline of Flights: Flight logs indicate Trump flew on1 Epstein's planes approximately seven to eight times between 1993 and 1997.
  • Island Purchase: Jeffrey Epstein purchased Little St. James (the island) in 1998.
  • No Evidence of Island Visit: While flight logs confirm Trump used the jet for travel—primarily between New York and Florida—there is no documented evidence or flight log showing that Trump ever flew to or visited Epstein's private island.
  • Nature of Flights: The flights in the 1990s sometimes included family members, and one recorded trip included only Trump, Epstein, and a 20-year-old woman.
First off, I never mentioned Trump in that post you are quoting me on. My question was based on any folks associated with Epstein. I'll be the first to admit, just because one is on the list doesn't automatically make one guilty, but Trump and Epstein were brothers who both loved women. If you believe Trump wasn't fed any of Epstein's menu items, you hunnybun are very naive and gullible.
 

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First off, I never mentioned Trump in that post you are quoting me on. My question was based on any folks associated with Epstein. I'll be the first to admit, just because one is on the list doesn't automatically make one guilty, but Trump and Epstein were brothers who both loved women. If you believe Trump wasn't fed any of Epstein's menu items, you hunnybun are very naive and gullible.
He probably was at some point, but were any of them underage, that is the question??
I believe Epstein mixed in many 18+ women, with an undetermined number of underage girls.
You can tell from many of the photos that have been made public of him. Many of these women were not underage.

For example, these girls look young, but are they underage??



 
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He probably was at some point, but were any of them underage, that is the question??
I believe Epstein mixed in many 18+ women, with an undetermined number of underage girls.
You can tell from many of the photos that have been made public of him. Many of these women were not underage.

For example, these girls look young, but are they underage??



I think they haven't released a lot of things Phil.
 

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Does anybody remember the Duke lacrosse team rape story?
reminds me of the recent local story involving hockey players.
Single accusers, single incidents. Are you comparing them to multiple accusers over years? Even if Virginia Giuffre was lying, are they all lying?

That's one big conspiracy. I suppose its easier to believe that than the "conspiracy theory" that this was a Mossad blackmail operation.
 

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He probably was at some point, but were any of them underage, that is the question??
I believe Epstein mixed in many 18+ women, with an undetermined number of underage girls.
I do believe the majority of the girls he fed to Trump and I'll add in Clinton, were 18 plus but I think if Epstein had a 16-year-old that was fully developed, Trump would have happily accepted her. I don't believe Trump was or is attracted to kids, but a mature 16-year-old, he would be on her like a bee on honey.
 

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Tawana Brawley, I forgot about her .... another shameless, mendacious storyteller!
The 64K question is: How many of Epstein's victims were in full "Tawana Brawley Mode"!
Methinks, the believers in the NY times and CNN narrative ... would rather not know!
(And, after they are contacted and heavily coached by deceitful lawyers looking for a big payday ... their tales of woe and sexual predation become exponentially more mendacious!)
Their white lies ...morph into big whoppers!
The storytellers ... get into full-embellishment mode!
I find it exceedingly hard to believe that sex slave Virginia Giuffre who served 3 years of sexual servitude under Epstein and Maxwell didn't have at least have one opportunity to escape!
Ya think?
She did nothing!
She made absolutely no attempts to escape her life of sexual servitude as a sex slave!
NADA!
What's up with HER?
(Oh I know why: Epstein had her chained her to the massage table whenever he left his mansion !)
That explains it!
I want to know why when the mendacious storyteller went to get her passport at a passport office in preparation for her trip to England to be trafficked to Prince Andrew .... why she didn't throw herself into the arms of a passport agent and frantically shoutout: "Please, please rescue me ...I'm being held against my will by a heinous sexual predator ... and I'm going to be surreptitiously smuggled on a private jet to England ... and chained in a dungeon in Windsor Castle ... and forced to have sex with Prince Andrew....HEEELP ME !"
Why didn't the mendacious storyteller take advantage of a golden opportunity to flee from her monsterous captors who enslaved her and forced her into a life of sexual servitude?
Perhaps the award-winning journalists of the NY Times and the talking heads on CNN ...can provide a sufficient and plausible answer to that probing question!
(Don't hold your breath!)
 
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I got bad news for you, squeezie.
Trump did fly on Epstein's plane a bunch of times during the 1990's, but that was before Epstein bought his island in 1998.


Based on flight logs released in court proceedings and reported by various news outlets, Donald Trump did fly on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet multiple times in the 1990s,
before Epstein purchased his private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands in 1998.


Here are the key details based on the search results:
  • Timeline of Flights: Flight logs indicate Trump flew on1 Epstein's planes approximately seven to eight times between 1993 and 1997.
  • Island Purchase: Jeffrey Epstein purchased Little St. James (the island) in 1998.
  • No Evidence of Island Visit: While flight logs confirm Trump used the jet for travel—primarily between New York and Florida—there is no documented evidence or flight log showing that Trump ever flew to or visited Epstein's private island.
  • Nature of Flights: The flights in the 1990s sometimes included family members, and one recorded trip included only Trump, Epstein, and a 20-year-old woman.
Easy

 

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I do believe the majority of the girls he fed to Trump and I'll add in Clinton, were 18 plus but I think if Epstein had a 16-year-old that was fully developed, Trump would have happily accepted her. I don't believe Trump was or is attracted to kids, but a mature 16-year-old, he would be on her like a bee on honey.
There are a lot of references to children and multiple victims saying trump raped kids.


 

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I do believe the majority of the girls he fed to Trump and I'll add in Clinton, were 18 plus but I think if Epstein had a 16-year-old that was fully developed, Trump would have happily accepted her. I don't believe Trump was or is attracted to kids, but a mature 16-year-old, he would be on her like a bee on honey
No matter how badly you want this to be true, there's no evidence Trump was ever into 16-year old girls
 
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