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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Here's where your argument falls apart.

Sex and gender identity are not the same. - TRUE
Gender identity =/= sex. - FALSE


Gender is a social construct; Sex is a biological assignment.
Both statements are saying the same thing and you are repeating what I said.
PS: If you didn't know, and if you misread, "=/=" is a mathematical symbol for "not equal to".
 
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Here's where your argument falls apart.

Sex and gender identity are not the same. - TRUE

Gender identity =/= sex. - FALSE


Sex is Male, Female or somewhere in between, (if the individual has chromosomal abnormalities, mutated genes, non-standard development in utero or has abused steroids). An individual's Sex is determined by biology and chemistry, not by nurturing, surgery or person whim.

Gender is Masculine, Feminine, or one of the 703 new ones which have recently been created. While the majority of those who are biologically Male are also of Masculine gender, and the majority of those who are biologically Female are Feminine gender, there is considerable variation within the minority portion for each Sex. Gender is a social construct; Sex is a biological assignment.
Why do you care?
Let people live and be happy.

Instead america gets this.
 
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onomatopoeia

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Yes, that is the symbol, but don't think there is a key for that on your keyboard.

Yes, that is what I said.
I copy/ pasted the symbol from the list of mathematical symbols on wikipedia.

You also said this:

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Saying that a biological born male can be a woman if they say so has no basis in fact. This is strictly an opinion, held by many people, but not by most.

As mentioned previously, beliefs are not truths. At one time, everyone believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth. That relationship did not suddenly change, when people became more educated.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Saying that a biological born male can be a woman if they say so has no basis in fact.
It does.
Sex is assigned at birth based on observed reproductive anatomy, typically male or female.
Gender identity (man, woman, non-binary, etc.) is a person’s internal sense of who they are, which may or may not align with the sex assigned at birth.
Which is exactly the distinction you just described.
These are facts, not beliefs.
Your disagreement with them is simply a belief you’re entitled to hold, regardless of its factual correctness.
 
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onomatopoeia

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It does.
Sex is assigned at birth based on observed reproductive anatomy, typically male or female.
Gender identity (man, woman, non-binary, etc.) is a person’s internal sense of who they are, which may or may not align with the sex assigned at birth.
Which is exactly the distinction you just described.
These are facts, not beliefs.
Your disagreement with them is simply a belief you’re entitled to hold, regardless of its factual correctness.
Actually, Sex is assigned at conception, depending on whether or not the sperm cell fertilizing the egg cell carries an X chromosome or a Y chromosome. A doctor or midwife doesn't subjectively decide to anoint a newborn as Male or Female, depending upon their mood or their political beliefs.

The external genitalia are physical manifestations of the presence of the X or Y chromosome in the infant's DNA. In most cases, the biological Sex of a newborn is unambiguous. A "person's internal sense of who they are" pertains to gender identification. No qualified medical practitioner is going to say 'Well, I see testicles and a penis, but I won't be able to decide the Sex if this child until after they decide what they want to be'. No amount of wishful thinking can turn one's X chromosomes into Ys.

Essentially, all trans individuals are wishful thinkers. They aspire to be different from what they are. Surgery, makeup, wigs and lipstick can make anyone appear to be something that they are not, but a change of appearance is only that; an illusion, a delusion, or both.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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They aspire to be different from what they are.
They seek to live and present socially as the gender they identify with.
How you choose to interpret that is merely your opinion, but unfortunately, that is not the scientifically, medically, legally or socially accepted truths today.
 
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Actually, Sex is assigned at conception, depending on whether or not the sperm cell fertilizing the egg cell carries an X chromosome or a Y chromosome. A doctor or midwife doesn't subjectively decide to anoint a newborn as Male or Female, depending upon their mood or their political beliefs.

The external genitalia are physical manifestations of the presence of the X or Y chromosome in the infant's DNA. In most cases, the biological Sex of a newborn is unambiguous. A "person's internal sense of who they are" pertains to gender identification. No qualified medical practitioner is going to say 'Well, I see testicles and a penis, but I won't be able to decide the Sex if this child until after they decide what they want to be'. No amount of wishful thinking can turn one's X chromosomes into Ys.

Essentially, all trans individuals are wishful thinkers. They aspire to be different from what they are. Surgery, makeup, wigs and lipstick can make anyone appear to be something that they are not, but a change of appearance is only that; an illusion, a delusion, or both.
Ask him what a woman is and he can't tell you, lol.
 

onomatopoeia

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They seek to live and present socially as the gender they identify with.
Wishing that one had been created as a woman is not the same as being a women, beyond the boundaries of the fantasy world in which one resides.

Any individual has the right to present themselves socially as they so choose. Society as a whole, however, has no obligation to accept all personal presentations at face value.
 

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Wishing that one had been created as a woman is not the same as being a women, beyond the boundaries of the fantasy world in which one resides.

Any individual has the right to present themselves socially as they so choose. Society as a whole, however, has no obligation to accept all personal presentations at face value.
Is it any different than PeePee wishing he were born more macho?
 
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Transwomen don't wish they had been created as a woman. They identify as one.
And most people identify them as men cosplaying as women.

There are any of a number of reasons why a man may chose to identify and present himself as a woman which have nothing whatsoever to do with a personal journey of discovery. Here are a few:

They are 'the new guy' in prison, and they are unable to protect themselves.

They want to be exempt from military conscription.

They are passengers on a sinking boat which has insufficient lifeboats for all.

They don't want to have to pay for their drinks during Happy Hour.

They want to beat girls in sporting events.

They are homosexual men who are attracted to heterosexual men, so they use deception to entice the 'new', gullible and/ or intoxicated to eat of the 'forbidden fruit'.
 

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And most people identify them as men cosplaying as women.

There are any of a number of reasons why a man may chose to identify and present himself as a woman which have nothing whatsoever to do with a personal journey of discovery. Here are a few:

They are 'the new guy' in prison, and they are unable to protect themselves.

They want to be exempt from military conscription.

They are passengers on a sinking boat which has insufficient lifeboats for all.

They don't want to have to pay for their drinks during Happy Hour.

They want to beat girls in sporting events.

They are homosexual men who are attracted to heterosexual men, so they use deception to entice the 'new', gullible and/ or intoxicated to eat of the 'forbidden fruit'.
Sounds like you have a lot of experience talking with trans men about their feelings.
 
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