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Butler1000

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After Trump leaves office, the temperature will drop a notch or two. Trump is Trump. No need to rehash that more. He unfortunately gives cover for progressives acting out. Progressives have made inroads in some blue states. I think that's a reaction to Trump. Moderate Democrats don't want the party to look like its divided. So Trump creates a gravitational pull for Democrats around a more leftward focus.

As a anecdote, my moderate Democratic and some independent friends feel that the only thing that matters is opposing Trump. The candidate that the Democrats nominate does not matter. Our liberal media basically reinforces this idea 24/7. If you watch or read U.S. liberal media, the message is much less about policies and ideas. It's mostly about opposing Trump. We've kind of been in this hold for about ten years.

No offense, but Canada (like Europe before it) is heading into political uncertainty. Canadians seem to be compromising with principles which is a good thing. Your progressive left is not too vocal to date. The question is will the compromises go far enough to make a difference. You want to burn the European road map before you go further down the Eurosclerosis highway.
Three years of him, unless he dies in office , the GOP are trying to both rig voting and at the same time claim its the Dems doing it to create an excuse. Mass funding for homeland security and add another 500 billion to defense that imo is for domestic use. Wait until the summer. I believe unless ICE steps down, Neom is tossed, and arguably Pam Bondi as well its going to get worse. Epstein is not going away, and if more charges are laid in Europe questions will hit new highs.

It's a powder keg.

As for us? If Trump decides a fight with Canada isn’t going to help the mid terms he will sign basically the same deal, a few tweaks to claim victory, and be done with it. Especially if the SCOTUS rules against tariffs. If that happens Carney will get a majority whenever he wants. He is already signing deals, especially on defense, trade, and other partnerships. Most Canadians are quite willing to let things ride out with Carney for now, show unity. Don't let these idiot Separatists fool you. Sitting at 14% is not going to result in anything.

I'm feeling more confident than I did 6 months ago. Trump is going to have way too many domestic fires to deal with.
 
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Three years of him, unless he dies in office , the GOP are trying to both rig voting and at the same time claim its the Dems doing it to create an excuse. Mass funding for homeland security and add another 500 billion to defense that imo is for domestic use. Wait until the summer. I believe unless ICE steps down, Neom is tossed, and arguably Pam Bondi as well its going to get worse. Epstein is not going away, and if more charges are laid in Europe questions will hit new highs.

It's a powder keg.

As for us? If Trump decides a fight with Canada isn’t going to help the mid terms he will sign basically the same deal, a few tweaks to claim victory, and be done with it. Especially if the SCOTUS rules against tariffs. If that happens Carney will get a majority whenever he wants. He is already signing deals, especially on defense, trade, and other partnerships. Most Canadians are quite willing to let things ride out with Carney for now, show unity. Don't let these idiot Separatists fool you. Sitting at 14% is not going to result in anything.

I'm feeling more confident than I did 6 months ago. Trump is going to have way too many domestic fires to deal with.
I think you are naturally too pessimistic about the U.S. and too optimistic about Canadian prospects.

Canada is an economic funk that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Denial is not a way to address the core economic issues. Trump might have given Liberals another few years to actually do something about it. I assure you the answer is not more government. Many of you get too excited about government solutions. Canada needs to revive its private sector. It's that yucky stuff of free markets and encouraging capital investment.

The U.S. has always had more heated debate. We are not without our challenges. Our dynamism is what separates us from Europe.

As always, you want to pull out a bag throw in a whole lot of disparate issues and grievances in the U.S. and call it a movement. There is no deep-seated consensus on ICE. What you see on TV is a very small, subsegment that protests everything. They are in a perpetual protest against the establishment.
 

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Trump SNAPS in late-night Epstein MELTDOWN
Trump claims he’s “exonerated” from Epstein Files :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

 
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Did you hear him actually say Epstein. No they just cut to the part where he says they've been friends for a long time. And this video is from years before all of this.
I think if they look hard enough they will find evidence of Trump and Epstein in a dressing room in a NYC department store thirty years ago.
 

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I think you are naturally too pessimistic about the U.S. and too optimistic about Canadian prospects.

Canada is an economic funk that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Denial is not a way to address the core economic issues. Trump might have given Liberals another few years to actually do something about it. I assure you the answer is not more government. Many of you get too excited about government solutions. Canada needs to revive its private sector. It's that yucky stuff of free markets and encouraging capital investment.

The U.S. has always had more heated debate. We are not without our challenges. Our dynamism is what separates us from Europe.

As always, you want to pull out a bag throw in a whole lot of disparate issues and grievances in the U.S. and call it a movement. There is no deep-seated consensus on ICE. What you see on TV is a very small, subsegment that protests everything. They are in a perpetual protest against the establishment.
You think what happened in Minnesota is an outlier? I guess we shall see. But the recent attempts to set up more ICE warehouses are hitting big pushback. And refusals. I see the wealth gap increasing.

And the movement against the oligarchs is growing. Referring to them as the Epstein Class is a big tell to me. These guys are fucking weird. Right into Eugenics, perpetual youth experiments, setting up bunkers in out of the way places. Let alone the pedo shit. They are looking and acting like James Bond villains right now.

And no where did I say more govt. In fact these trade deals, including access to building weapons for sale, opening up China, are going to decrease out USA reliance.

People are going to be willing to take a hit here. Really we are.

But with America be willing to do the same?
 

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Marjorie Taylor Greene EXPOSES Trump-Epstein UPDATE

Based on this specific video, what does this "expose" about Trump-Epstein from your POV?
Please give us a timestamp.

I am not sure why you are attracted so much to tertiary Twitter commentators who talk over video clips. I generally avoid this form because I don't think of them as original and they often devolve into politicized rants.

PS- Did you pay for a subscription to get this guy's content? As he said, he is at the mercy of tech billionaires to deliver you his content.
 
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The Dems will not run a woman in 2028. It will be a white man with possibly AOC as VP.

AOC will get her shot but not yet.

SHE IS SO DAMN HOT!!!!!
Building on rich's latina pornstar comment, I would have liked to seen AOC get her money shot.
 
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You think what happened in Minnesota is an outlier? I guess we shall see. But the recent attempts to set up more ICE warehouses are hitting big pushback. And refusals. I see the wealth gap increasing.
Minneapolis might be an outlier even in Minnesota itself. My problem is that you are threading ICE to a wealth gap. The two have nothing to do with each other. There is no link between them as far as galvanizing people politically. If anything, people at lower incomes on the whole are likely to be more supportive of deportations.

The wealth gap is a much deeper economic discussion. Briefly, one can mistaken wealth compression as healthy even when there is underlying stagnation. The contradictory idea that you also need to contend with is that many U.S. economists will point to globalization increasing the U.S. wealth gap. Trump is clearly not interested in promoting economic globalization.

And the movement against the oligarchs is growing. Referring to them as the Epstein Class is a big tell to me. These guys are fucking weird. Right into Eugenics, perpetual youth experiments, setting up bunkers in out of the way places. Let alone the pedo shit. They are looking and acting like James Bond villains right now.
Shhhh...... you don't want to say conspiracy theories out loud. First, the thoughts can sound paranoid. More importantly, someone might come to silence you.

And no where did I say more govt. In fact these trade deals, including access to building weapons for sale, opening up China, are going to decrease out USA reliance.
I think these are basically government-to-government solutions. They're fine, but one has ask why not before. What was Trudeau doing?

By the way, we have had discussions about trade agreements in years past. Most members realized they're often of limited importance, symbolic and often political theater. If Canada can sell more fossil fuels and commodities to China, that would actually be great.

By the way, I think big trade agreements generally favor multinationals and low wage countries. So much for your concern about the wage gap.

People are going to be willing to take a hit here. Really we are.

But with America be willing to do the same?
I know you want to believe Canada can deliver a big hit to the U.S.
I don't see that. The best recourse long-term in my opinion would be try to work towards a common market with the U.S.
I generally don't discuss free trade with Canadians. They will say there is free trade in one post and in another they will tell you why certain industries and markets have to be protected or controlled. If they don't see the ambiguity, there's not much to discuss.

The U.S.-Canada trade battle will pass. Rightly or wrongly, Trump thinks Trudeau wasn't a very good ally.
 

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Minneapolis might be an outlier even in Minnesota itself. My problem is that you are threading ICE to a wealth gap. The two have nothing to do with each other. There is no link between them as far as galvanizing people politically. If anything, people at lower incomes on the whole are likely to be more supportive of deportations.

The wealth gap is a much deeper economic discussion. Briefly, one can mistaken wealth compression as healthy even when there is underlying stagnation. The contradictory idea that you also need to contend with is that many U.S. economists will point to globalization increasing the U.S. wealth gap. Trump is clearly not interested in promoting economic globalization.



Shhhh...... you don't want to say conspiracy theories out loud. First, the thoughts can sound paranoid. More importantly, someone might come to silence you.



I think these are basically government-to-government solutions. They're fine, but one has ask why not before. What was Trudeau doing?

By the way, we have had discussions about trade agreements in years past. Most members realized they're often of limited importance, symbolic and often political theater. If Canada can sell more fossil fuels and commodities to China, that would actually be great.

By the way, I think big trade agreements generally favor multinationals and low wage countries. So much for your concern about the wage gap.



I know you want to believe Canada can deliver a big hit to the U.S.
I don't see that. The best recourse long-term in my opinion would be try to work towards a common market with the U.S.
I generally don't discuss free trade with Canadians. They will say there is free trade in one post and in another they will tell you why certain industries and markets have to be protected or controlled. If they don't see the ambiguity, there's not much to discuss.

The U.S.-Canada trade battle will pass. Rightly or wrongly, Trump thinks Trudeau wasn't a very good ally.
It depends on what we are selling. Looking like lots of food. We just did another wheat deal with china in response on Trump threatening tariffs. That benefits farmers. How are some of USA farmers doing these days?

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will our new security and trade agreements. And of course trade will continue between us. But it ain't going to be as much, as discounted, and definitely changed on certain security matters.

More importantly however is grassroots Canadian consumers are changing their spending habits. It won't matter what trade deals get signed if we just don't buy or buy less. Same with tourism. We are traveling elsewhere. And you can't make us go there.

The wealth gap, is pressure. As is ICE, daily crazy talk, suppression of free speech(see recent Colbert viral interview as an example), real estate diving, job losses, health insurance premiums rising, bad use of military, the grifting, cripes I can go on and on.

It's even worse this time. And citizens are noticing.
 
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