Who's waiting to buy with the shitstorm that could be coming

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The US making threats again of 100% tariffs against Canada. Prime time to pick up some paper assets when the market panics this week.Who's going to buy?

Im considering it but I already purchased my 100 shares this month. A good deal is hard to pass up though.
 
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Yes, I definitely think the current geopolitical situation is going to spook the markets, especially if Mr Orange continues to throw his toys out of the pram, post-Davos.

From the Value Investing side of my training, I always look at the Shiller PE ratio as I form my investing conviction to buy or sell.

Here's a chart that's quite telling, I've used red lines to overlay historical market crashes in the period the chart covers (1985-Present), with the horizontal line showing the average Shiller PE. As indicated, we're definitely in overheated territory:

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Now, I'm not saying this is a DEFINITE buy/sell signal (and remember "I'm not a financial advisor" blah blah) but IMO there's value in keeping your powder dry in anticipation of a buy on the juicy drops.


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The US making threats again of 100% tariffs against Canada. Prime time to pick up some paper assets when the market panics this week.Who's going to buy?

Im considering it but I already purchased my 100 shares this month. A good deal is hard to pass up though.
@angrymime666 - it sounds like you have some monthly buy scheme / dollar-cost averaging going. Care to share what 100 shares you buy monthly? Or does the ticker change each month?


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@angrymime666 - it sounds like you have some monthly buy scheme / dollar-cost averaging going. Care to share what 100 shares you buy monthly? Or does the ticker change each month?


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Nothing fancy. I hold all Canadian stock. Aqn, bce, cnr, su, h, ema, t, td, bns, fts, enb, cpx. Im contemplating buying aqn or bce again. Then again I could repurchase some electric companies. Aqn has slowly been growing after that huge dive but the divy is nice. Bce has made some progress with earning since cutting divy and paying down debt.

I buy and hold with a timeline of 20 years.
 
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Nothing fancy. I hold all Canadian stock. Aqn, bce, cnr, su, h, ema, t, td, bns, fts, enb, cpx. Im contemplating buying aqn or bce again. Then again I could repurchase some electric companies. Aqn has slowly been growing after that huge dive but the divy is nice. Bce has made some progress with earning since cutting divy and paying down debt.

I buy and hold with a timeline of 20 years.
Appreciate the reply @angrymime666

So connecting back to your 100 shares post, do you buy 100 shares of each of the 12 holdings you listed, monthly, or 100 shares monthly of what you consider to be the best stock to beef up at the time?

Not looking to pry, just looking to understand your monthly "machine".


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Appreciate the reply @angrymime666

So connecting back to your 100 shares post, do you buy 100 shares of each of the 12 holdings you listed, monthly, or 100 shares monthly of what you consider to be the best stock to beef up at the time?

Not looking to pry, just looking to understand your monthly "machine".


Wills.
Its mostly psychological. Fear of loss. Dropping 50, 100k, 200k at once is unnerving.100 units of company x over years is much easier for me to stomach. In retrospect I would have had a lower per unit cost, higher dividend yield and cap appreciation. For example I could have picked up way more than I did when the market tanked during covid but I stuck to my schedule. I still caught a lot of lows. I also cycle between different stock based upon their value so im not buying at all time highs and the percentage of my holdings in relation to my portfolio.

By no means am I knowledgeable and skilled investor. I invest in things I understand and people need for long term. Lots of people and BMs trade much differently than I do. This is no slight against them. I actually like hearing their stories and trades as I marvel at their nerves of steel and vigour.
 
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Its mostly psychological. Fear of loss. Dropping 50, 100k, 200k at once is unnerving.100 units of company x over years is much easier for me to stomach. In retrospect I would have had a lower per unit cost, higher dividend yield and cap appreciation...

I actually like hearing their stories and trades as I marvel at their nerves of steel and vigour.
@angrymime666 - I appreciate your honesty and insights into your psychology and fear. You're absolutely right that the markets--and indeed life!--are a tremendous mirror that reflects our boldness or timidity.

A few thoughts from someone in his fourth decade of playing with/against/for/despite Mr Market:

1. The nature of the investing game doesn't change. We do: with our experience, our (hopefully) improved decision-making over time, including our ability to forgive our mistakes and make even bigger and bolder bets despite how it turned out last time.

2. As your assets rise from four, to five, to six figures (the most important threshold IMO) your mentality MUST change.

The small-bet, risk averse approach that kept your assets trending top right needs to be replaced by bigger bets. Simply put, when you're young and your assets under management (AUM) are small the opportunity cost of bad decisions is the dominant factor in your thinking and decision-making.

However, as your AUM rises to six- and seven-figures and beyond (bless you!) the opportunity cost of missed decisions costs you more! E.g. when you're still trying to make that first 100K, slow-n-steady is king. But when you're in that 250K+ AUM range, and you didn't drop 10K on AAPL or NVDA way back when, that really stings.

3. And finally, I invite you you to reconsider this thinking as your AUM blows up: "Dropping 50, 100k, 200k at once is unnerving." Spend some time reflecting on this bias. After all, consider this line of reasoning:

1. You're an equity investor and for simplicity, I'm assuming you're a long equity investor, so I'm excluding any short-term shorting or options activity you may dabble in during the choppy periods.

2. From (1) your fundamental mental model is that over the long-term (5 years+), equities rise in value.

3. However, in your experience and study of (1) you also know that (i) drops and crashes occur, (ii) these are hard-to-predict (iii) virtually impossible to time or call the drops (and their resulting bottom) and so, you ascribe to the guidance to simply (iv) stay invested or even (v) invest more heavily when declines occur.

4. Given 1-3, shouldn't you delete this perception that "Dropping 50, 100k, 200k at once is unnerving."? From (1) alone, any quick chat with AI can demonstrate that even if you dropped big wads the day before the worst crashes on record (thus the market top, at the time), as long as you stay invested, you'll eventually recover and continue the long-term , top-right trend?

Indeed, here's what my discussion with Gemini on this topic revealed:

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Hopefully this helps. And please don't conclude that I'm telling you what you're doing now is wrong. Rather, I'm inviting you to explore your thinking. And your biases and blind spots. You may do that and decide to stay on your current course.

For myself, I've found it valuable to change my approach as my AUM climbs, convinced by thought exercises like the one above. Indeed, I would argue that a sign of our growth as investors is precisely when we change our minds. Indeed, I reflect on that exact question annually: "what did I change my mind about last year?".

Consider then, as I've concluded some time ago, our greatest barrier to wealth is not the worry over the wrong investment, or the Orange guy in the White House, it's ourselves.


Wills.

PS. And just so you don't think this is some long-winded condescension by a guy who has "made it", I've invested in this lengthy reply because I am in your exact position myself. Just with different numbers.

As of January 2026, I'm on deck to put, leverage included, 750-900K into the market in the coming weeks. Good luck to all of us!
 

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@angrymime666 - I appreciate your honesty and insights into your psychology and fear. You're absolutely right that the markets--and indeed life!--are a tremendous mirror that reflects our boldness or timidity.

A few thoughts from someone in his fourth decade of playing with/against/for/despite Mr Market:

1. The nature of the investing game doesn't change. We do: with our experience, our (hopefully) improved decision-making over time, including our ability to forgive our mistakes and make even bigger and bolder bets despite how it turned out last time.

2. As your assets rise from four, to five, to six figures (the most important threshold IMO) your mentality MUST change.

The small-bet, risk averse approach that kept your assets trending top right needs to be replaced by bigger bets. Simply put, when you're young and your assets under management (AUM) are small the opportunity cost of bad decisions is the dominant factor in your thinking and decision-making.

However, as your AUM rises to six- and seven-figures and beyond (bless you!) the opportunity cost of missed decisions costs you more! E.g. when you're still trying to make that first 100K, slow-n-steady is king. But when you're in that 250K+ AUM range, and you didn't drop 10K on AAPL or NVDA way back when that really stings.

3. And finally, you absolutely must reconsider this thinking as your AUM blows up: "Dropping 50, 100k, 200k at once is unnerving." Spend some time reflecting on this bias. After all, consider this line of reasoning:

1. You're an equity investor and for simplicity, I'm assuming you're a long equity investor, so I'm excluding any short-term shorting or options activity you may dabble in during the choppy periods.

2. From (1) you're fundamental mental model is that over the long-term (5 years+), equities rise in value.

3. However, in your experience and study of (1) you also know that (i) drops and crashes occur, (ii) these are hard-to-predict (iii) virtually impossible to time or call the drops (and their resulting bottom) and so, you ascribe to the guidance to simply (iv) stay invested or even (v) invest more heavily when declines occur.

4. Given 1-3, shouldn't you delete this perception that "Dropping 50, 100k, 200k at once is unnerving."? From (1) alone, any quick chat with AI can demonstrate that even if you dropped big wads right the day before the worst crashes on record, as long as you stay invested, you'll eventually recover and continue the top-right trend?

Indeed, here's what my discussion with Gemini on this topic revealed:

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Hopefully this helps. And please don't conclude that I'm telling you what you're doing now is wrong. Rather, I'm inviting you to explore your thinking. And your biases and blind spots. You may do that and decide to stay on your current course.

For myself, I've found it valuable to change my approach as my AUM climbs, convinced by thought exercises like the one above. Indeed, I would argue that a sign of our growth as investors is precisely when we change our minds. Indeed, I reflect on that exact question annually: "what did I change my mind about last year?".

Consider then, as I've concluded some time ago, our greatest barrier to wealth is not the worry over the wrong investment, or the Orange guy in the White House, it's ourselves.


Wills.

PS. And just so you don't think this is some long-winded condescension by a guy who has "made it", I've invested in this lengthy reply because I am in your exact position myself. Just with different numbers. I'm on deck to put, leverage included, 750-900K into the market in the coming weeks. Good luck to all of us!
I(53) am retired, 2 years in, living life no longer working, so timelines are out the door. It's about consistent cash flow from dividends, a cash wedge of 3 years to ride out the crashes. Security while slowly investing the remainder of cash. By 55 I will be fully invested, with a 3 year wedge in gics and cash. Dividends will cover my yearly expenses. At 55 I will convert my lira and rrsp into a lif and rif and will liquidate by 70. The rif and lif will fund my yearly tfsa deposit and give me some extra cash.

At 55 more than likely I will live in another country and have a more reasonable cost of living compared, to Canada or any other western country. Perhaps get secondary citizenship. My plan will optimize my taxes so I pay 14%. I will remain a tax resident. I will only have partial cpp since I retired early. I will let it sit till 70 to get the most possible. I will have full oas. I did plan with the understanding that both of those benefits will be gone. If they are not, it's a bonus.

I live a minimalist life and currently live off 24k cash. I can live cheaper in other countries that provide a better life. My greatest threat is if the Canadian dollar tanks. Stock market fluctuations/crash I dont mind.

I get your rational and know the math but consistency and security is all I want. My portfolio will grow, probably not at a higher exponential rate but I should have more than enough money to live till I'm dead. That's the plan at least... Live somewhere warm, make delicious food, work out and explore the world with a backpack.
 
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I(53) am retired, 2 years in, living life no longer working, so timelines are out the door. It's about consistent cash flow from dividends, a cash wedge of 3 years to ride out the crashes. Security while slowly investing the remainder of cash. By 55 I will be fully invested, with a 3 year wedge in gics and cash. Dividends will cover my yearly expenses. At 55 I will convert my lira and rrsp into a lif and rif and will liquidate by 70. The rif and lif will fund my yearly tfsa deposit and give me some extra cash.

At 55 more than likely I will live in another country and have a more reasonable cost of living compared, to Canada or any other western country. Perhaps get secondary citizenship. My plan will optimize my taxes so I pay 14%. I will remain a tax resident. I will only have partial cpp since I retired early. I will let it sit till 70 to get the most possible. I will have full oas. I did plan with the understanding that both of those benefits will be gone. If they are not, it's a bonus.

I live a minimalist life and currently live off 24k cash. I can live cheaper in other countries that provide a better life. My greatest threat is if the Canadian dollar tanks. Stock market fluctuations/crash I dont mind.

I get your rational and know the math but consistency and security is all I want. My portfolio will grow, probably not at a higher exponential rate but I should have more than enough money to live till I'm dead. That's the plan at least... Live somewhere warm, make delicious food, work out and explore the world with a backpack.
Appreciate the continued dialogue @angrymime666 and the progressive disclosure of your life goals and why you have, wisely, chosen your present investment approach.

As you stated, my advice lands better with the younger cohort, those that have many Accumulation years in front of them.

As I'm in my mid-40s, I put myself in that camp, with an aim to get well into the seven figures before I fully transition out of the 9-5 towards my definition of retirement. Now, my plan is to still work, but across three or four solopreneur workstreams rather than my current corporate role. (And anticipating the question, I'm one of the lucky and rare SOBs that loves his 9-5!)

Good luck as you make steady progress towards your dream lifestyle:

"Live somewhere warm, make delicious food, work out and explore the world with a backpack."

and I hope this thread has been helpful for the broader community.


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I(53) am retired, 2 years in, living life no longer working, so timelines are out the door. It's about consistent cash flow from dividends, a cash wedge of 3 years to ride out the crashes. Security while slowly investing the remainder of cash. By 55 I will be fully invested, with a 3 year wedge in gics and cash. Dividends will cover my yearly expenses. At 55 I will convert my lira and rrsp into a lif and rif and will liquidate by 70. The rif and lif will fund my yearly tfsa deposit and give me some extra cash.

At 55 more than likely I will live in another country and have a more reasonable cost of living compared, to Canada or any other western country. Perhaps get secondary citizenship. My plan will optimize my taxes so I pay 14%. I will remain a tax resident. I will only have partial cpp since I retired early. I will let it sit till 70 to get the most possible. I will have full oas. I did plan with the understanding that both of those benefits will be gone. If they are not, it's a bonus.

I live a minimalist life and currently live off 24k cash. I can live cheaper in other countries that provide a better life. My greatest threat is if the Canadian dollar tanks. Stock market fluctuations/crash I dont mind.

I get your rational and know the math but consistency and security is all I want. My portfolio will grow, probably not at a higher exponential rate but I should have more than enough money to live till I'm dead. That's the plan at least... Live somewhere warm, make delicious food, work out and explore the world with a backpack.
How do you pay for hobbying…??!!
 

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How do you pay for hobbying…??!!
While sex was fun when I was younger I find the urge to buy sex less interesting. I can do it but find it a rather hollow experience as the exchange is less than genuine. I'd rather put my money in something that provides more fulfillment. I'd rather watch porn than drop bills on pussy. It's also the fact that I hate condoms and in the hobby it's a necessary precaution to keep safe and healthy.

24k Iis ust my basic cost of living. I can afford much more but I don't need the excess. Things tend to tie you down. Keeping up with the Jones's or lifestyle creep tends to make people financially unstable. People work so much that they end up not living their life versus working to live.
 
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While sex was fun when I was younger I find the urge to buy sex less interesting.

24k Iis ust my basic cost of living. I can afford much more but I don't need the excess.
I think for most people, less sex for pay is worrying about the future. They were able to spend the money in the past. Now that the future does not look as bright they are careful.
 
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While sex was fun when I was younger I find the urge to buy sex less interesting. I can do it but find it a rather hollow experience as the exchange is less than genuine. I'd rather put my money in something that provides more fulfillment. I'd rather watch porn than drop bills on pussy. It's also the fact that I hate condoms and in the hobby it's a necessary precaution to keep safe and healthy.

24k Iis ust my basic cost of living. I can afford much more but I don't need the excess. Things tend to tie you down. Keeping up with the Jones's or lifestyle creep tends to make people financially unstable. People work so much that they end up not living their life versus working to live.
You lose OAS if you live abroad. FYI.
 
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I’m taking the Buffet approach on this one… I’ve set aside a separate cash pile in a conservative allocation specifically to be deployed when a downturn occurs. That way I’ll be well positioned to scoop up equities at a bargain.
 

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Dividends will cover my yearly expenses. At 55 I will convert my lira and rrsp into a lif and rif and will liquidate by 70. The rif and lif will fund my yearly tfsa deposit and give me some extra cash.

At 55 more than likely I will live in another country and have a more reasonable cost of living compared, to Canada or any other western country. Perhaps get secondary citizenship. My plan will optimize my taxes so I pay 14%. I will remain a tax resident. I will only have partial cpp since I retired early. I will let it sit till 70 to get the most possible. I will have full oas. I did plan with the understanding that both of those benefits will be gone. If they are not, it's a bonus.

I live a minimalist life and currently live off 24k cash.
Surely needing only 24k/year you can defer converting your RRSP to a RRIF? Is it worth losing an extra 16 years of tax deferred growth?
 

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Surely needing only 24k/year you can defer converting your RRSP to a RRIF? Is it worth losing an extra 16 years of tax deferred growth?
I could starting pulling later in life but my income will increase when I access cpp/oas, dividend increases. Plus I will be forced to convert to a lif and riff at an age I will no longer really need the money or the inclination to travel since I wont be nearly as active. By melting down/withdrawing at an earlier age I can access lif and riff at a lower tax bracket, reinvest into tfsa and have extra money in a cash account to spend.
 
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