I saw Tony Robbins and figured him out

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Tony Robbins is actually using a form Cognitive Behaviour Therapy that is way overhyped and misused as you do not become superman by "unleashing the power within" . He is a conman without being intentionally harmful and may even produce postive results with suggestions that are way overpriced and way over hyped

Tony Robbins’ mindset principles are complementary to, but not a replacement for, evidence-based CBT

(CBT) is a form of psychological treatment that has been extensively researched and is considered the "gold standard" of psychotherapy. Unlike traditional "talk therapy" that focuses heavily on the past, CBT is present-focused, goal-oriented, and problem-specific.

  • CBT: Examines the accuracy of the belief (Is it 100% true that you are unlovable? What is the evidence?).
  • Robbins: Aims to emotionally detach from the belief by making it feel absurd. This is a non evidence widely ridiculed NLP technique not cognitive restructuring that sounds good.

  • Cognitive: It isn’t the situation itself that makes you feel upset, but rather your interpretation of that situation.
  • Behaviour: What you do (or avoid doing) heavily influences how you think and feel.
CBT therapy is you get things in proper context then change your belief and behaviour to meet your goals

He is misusing CBT and claiming he thought of it then lying by magnifying results with marketing hype

i left the seminar thinking about what he said then did some research and now I hate the guy for mismarketing CBT in order to get filthy rich

It takes time to change behaviour patterns as they are ingrained so you slowly change them through small steps not through his 6K weekend seminar. I went to one talk and bought a $200 cheap seat.


I am thinking of doing CBT with a therapist for $180 a session and try a few sessions


Any one ever try Cognitive Behaviour Therapy that is evidence based?

Anyone ever seen a Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)
tony robins trained therapist that is not evidence based ?

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Anyone ever do his fire walk that he also stole and misuses with fantastic claims that have no evidence that walking a few feet over an illusion will reset your negative beliefs so that you can accomplish anything ?
 
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I saw him in Toronto. Not as much screaming as his vids make you believe but there was energy that made you feel good.

Robbins is the guru and the audience are followers seeking to be "fixed" by his system

One of the questionable things he said was you must associate massive pain with the old behavior to force change .
Give yourself an eletric shock when you reach for that cigareete is aversion therapy that has limiteed efficacy and
Robbins is saying just think about it. If actually pain does not work thinking about it will? Sounds like made up bull for marketing reasons.

Inside the stadium full of followers chanting his name you lose rationality.

But, he did give some good ideas on procrastination. Do something small then things are not so overwhelming. Set a timer then work for that length

IE your apt is a mess and it seems overwhelming task just do dsomething and the act of doing something puts the task into perspective and changes your perspective

I suspect he, or more likely his cohorts, read self help books then repeat the good parts and claim them but a rational mind is needed and clearly lots of his followers do not have a rational mind. Just look at advertising it works. Look at all the voters who elected Trump.
 
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Big Rig said:
I saw him in Toronto. Not as much screaming as his vids make you believe but there was energy that made you feel good.

Robbins is the guru and the audience are followers seeking to be "fixed" by his system

One of the questionable things he said was you must associate massive pain with the old behavior to force change .
Give yourself an eletric shock when you reach for that cigareete is aversion therapy that has limiteed efficacy and
Robbins is saying just think about it. If actually pain does not work thinking about it will? Sounds like made up bull for marketing reasons.

Inside the stadium full of followers chanting his name you lose rationality.

But, he did give some good ideas on procrastination. Do something small then things are not so overwhelming. Set a timer then work for that length

IE your apt is a mess and it seems overwhelming task just do dsomething and the act of doing something puts the task into perspective and changes your perspective

I suspect he, or more likely his cohorts, read self help books then repeat the good parts and claim them but a rational mind is needed and clearly lots of his followers do not have a rational mind. Just look at advertising it works. Look at all the voters who elected Trump.
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I saw him way back in Toronto also. He found the crowd here kind of conservative. He also mentioned Molson Blue, lol.
 
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What was he selling when Clinton was president?

Then he went quiet or I never saw his ads after 2001, until last year.
 
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Any one ever try Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, not the Tony Robbins version, but with A REAL CBT therapist?

It is proven evidence based therapy and very popular ?

It is action based and helps change your behaviour to become the you that makes you happy and gets your needs met
 
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xix said:
What was he selling when Clinton was president?

The he went quiet or I never saw his ads after 2001, until last year.
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Early 1980s — Robbins is introduced to NLP and takes off with his UNLIMITED POWER self help book.

Look at that ridiculous book title, he has to be a conman

He became famous with his firewalk that he learned from the Firewalking Institute of Research and Education. Firewalking has been around for centuries

He saw it as the great marketing tool that it is, give him credit for being a great salesman and promotor as he knows if you make the claim ridiculous ehough people belive it

He has steadily grown into a institution that has made him a extremely weathly, around half a billion,
through seminars, books, speaking engagments, coaching certification empire - there are NLP coaches in Toronto
getting in on the scam - and from investing

He has never gone away and people like him never will



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Can someone explain this quote? WTF ? He is trying to sound wise by creating his own koan



So, if your results failed they did not fail because they are a result? Just your results failed not your business?

What is your results won ? Are they a win or just a result?

What if you create a scam? Is it a scam or just a result?



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All these folks people pay to listen to get dupped and some folks finally shake their heads and realize they got scammed. It's like people who pay to see their fave artist backstage or something dropped hundreds or thousands for a under 10 sec experience. Was it worth it? Short answer: No.
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Or you go to a concert and find out that the artists just bounce around stage and don’t do any playing of instruments. Or you thought it was a band but it’s a guy and a dj set.
 
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Mandala said:
Any one ever try Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, not the Tony Robbins version, but with A REAL CBT therapist?

It is proven evidence based therapy and very popular ?

It is action based and helps change your behaviour to become the you that makes you happy and gets your needs met
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I was about to go see one last year but got lazy.;)
 
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I saw him way back in Toronto also. He found the crowd here kind of conservative.
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Yes. he wants the crowd to scream. That way they lose rationality and start beleiving you can change just by being excited but that energy is only short term.

He is a master manipulator similiar to Trump but Trump is stupid, Robbins is not
 
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